So what happens now?

[DustyR]

I find the prospect of repossessing 14 Branchland unlikely. They would need to fall behind in mortgage payments for some time and not keep up. With social security from Chris and Barb coming in, as well as any unknown funds related to Bob's passing (does she get to collect his social security and/or pension, as is sometimes done), they should be able to keep up payments as long as spending does not spiral out of control. If Barb does not receive additional social security/pension due to Bob's demise, then that loss of income would necessitate a firmer grip on the purse strings, preventing the 31 year old manchild from blowing his money on as many frivolities as in previous years, which is likely the case with absence of the PS4 life upgrade. Foreclosing on a house can take a very long time. Once it is done, there also is the process of eviction, which can prolong it, especially if done by someone who is knowledgeable about the law and is trying to get more time.

I think another very real possibility to consider is state intervention due to the hoarding or adult protective services getting involved due to the unsafe, unclean environment Barb is forced to live in with her debilitating health problems. Bob feared the county getting involved due to the hoarding, as revealed dramatically in one of his rare appearances on one of Christian's videos. Now that Barb's health has declined and the fact the conditions in the house are so deplorable, that could be cause for adult protective services to get involved. IF they did, at this stage nothing would or could be done of a serious nature. Barb is still in control of her mental faculties and is not so far gone that they could force her into a nursing home. Nor could they charge Chris for elder abuse, as he is not the one that created the hoard. But one could argue that as the able-bodied, more competent adult in the household, he could partly be to blame for neglect, as he allows those conditions to persist. Barb is unable physically to clean it up, and if Chris is forcing his mother to subsist in those conditions, regardless of the fact she started it, that is an issue where he is at fault. That he is autistic is not as relevant, as he is a fully functional, competent adult (not an "adult child," as some would say), nor does it matter that he is not the owner of the house. He does have some kind of responsibility because Barb is in a compromised physical state, is elderly, and could arguably be said to have some mental health issues, as witnessed by the past hoarding. At most they would probably have adult protective care workers in there to evaluate the situation, write reports, try to correct the actions, and help Barb receive any care that she requires but may not be receiving. It is not likely that Chris at this time would be charged with anything, but if Barb's condition worsens and he does not do something to help, then that could be a possibility later on. As her health worsens and she becomes increasingly frail, she will in effect become not a prisoner of a hoard she created, but instead a hoard that Chris allows to exist out of neglect, an important distinction. Look at it from the perspective of what is going to happen 10 years from now, if Barb still lives and is trapped inside that filth because Chris can't be bothered to clean it up. The guilt in that case is rather more plain to see than it may perhaps be now. So, in summary, I think the possibility of the county or state getting involved due to the hoard or to future elder abuse/neglect is another issue.

 

[Hyperion]

Obviously Barbara Weston-Chandler enjoys the sensation of having parasites in her flesh or she would have done something to correct it.

 

[garbageraider]

I find the prospect of repossessing 14 Branchland unlikely. They would need to fall behind in mortgage payments for some time and not keep up. With social security from Chris and Barb coming in, as well as any unknown funds related to Bob's passing (does she get to collect his social security and/or pension, as is sometimes done), they should be able to keep up payments as long as spending does not spiral out of control. If Barb does not receive additional social security/pension due to Bob's demise, then that loss of income would necessitate a firmer grip on the purse strings, preventing the 31 year old manchild from blowing his money on as many frivolities as in previous years, which is likely the case with absence of the PS4 life upgrade. Foreclosing on a house can take a very long time. Once it is done, there also is the process of eviction, which can prolong it, especially if done by someone who is knowledgeable about the law and is trying to get more time.

These are all good points.

I think another very real possibility to consider is state intervention due to the hoarding or adult protective services getting involved due to the unsafe, unclean environment Barb is forced to live in with her debilitating health problems. Bob feared the county getting involved due to the hoarding, as revealed dramatically in one of his rare appearances on one of Christian's videos. Now that Barb's health has declined and the fact the conditions in the house are so deplorable, that could be cause for adult protective services to get involved. IF they did, at this stage nothing would or could be done of a serious nature. Barb is still in control of her mental faculties and is not so far gone that they could force her into a nursing home. Nor could they charge Chris for elder abuse, as he is not the one that created the hoard.

Trolls called the Greene County Health department after the release of the first house tour video, and the county's response was that as long as it wasn't a hazard to the public, they didn't care. Remember, this is a rural, hick county in the backwoods of Virginia. I even heard that the entire county health department was in one trailer. The local health department just does not care, and they aren't going to step in, no matter how bad things get. Now, one of the Virginia state agencies might take an interest in the Chandlers' living conditions, but I just don't know.

But one could argue that as the able-bodied, more competent adult in the household, he could partly be to blame for neglect, as he allows those conditions to persist. Barb is unable physically to clean it up, and if Chris is forcing his mother to subsist in those conditions, regardless of the fact she started it, that is an issue where he is at fault. That he is autistic is not as relevant, as he is a fully functional, competent adult (not an "adult child," as some would say), nor does it matter that he is not the owner of the house. He does have some kind of responsibility because Barb is in a compromised physical state, is elderly, and could arguably be said to have some mental health issues, as witnessed by the past hoarding. As her health worsens and she becomes increasingly frail, she will in effect become not a prisoner of a hoard she created, but instead a hoard that Chris allows to exist out of neglect, an important distinction.

Chris has the mental capacity of a teenager in some matters, but his "common sense" level of functioning is the same as that of an 6-8 year old child. While Chris may legally be an adult, he shouldn't be expected to take responsibility for anything serious, because he's simply not capable of doing so. Barb may be mentally ill, old, sick, and bedridden, but expecting Chris to become "the man of the house" isn't reasonable, because he doesn't have the capacity to do so. No one is to blame for the horde and the conditions at 14 Branchland Court except Barb, and maybe Bob when he was still with us.

Look at it from the perspective of what is going to happen 10 years from now, . . . . .

Barb is very probably going to be dead before then. And I very much so doubt that Chris will still be at 14 Branchland Court at that point. You think that Barb and Chris will still be living there 10 years from now?! You underestimate the instability of the Chandler Household, and just how rapidly things there are decaying. A couple more years there? A possibility. Ten more? No.

 

[Blue Max]

I find the prospect of repossessing 14 Branchland unlikely. They would need to fall behind in mortgage payments for some time and not keep up. With social security from Chris and Barb coming in, as well as any unknown funds related to Bob's passing (does she get to collect his social security and/or pension, as is sometimes done), they should be able to keep up payments as long as spending does not spiral out of control. If Barb does not receive additional social security/pension due to Bob's demise, then that loss of income would necessitate a firmer grip on the purse strings, preventing the 31 year old manchild from blowing his money on as many frivolities as in previous years, which is likely the case with absence of the PS4 life upgrade. Foreclosing on a house can take a very long time. Once it is done, there also is the process of eviction, which can prolong it, especially if done by someone who is knowledgeable about the law and is trying to get more time.

I think another very real possibility to consider is state intervention due to the hoarding or adult protective services getting involved due to the unsafe, unclean environment Barb is forced to live in with her debilitating health problems. Bob feared the county getting involved due to the hoarding, as revealed dramatically in one of his rare appearances on one of Christian's videos. Now that Barb's health has declined and the fact the conditions in the house are so deplorable, that could be cause for adult protective services to get involved. IF they did, at this stage nothing would or could be done of a serious nature. Barb is still in control of her mental faculties and is not so far gone that they could force her into a nursing home. Nor could they charge Chris for elder abuse, as he is not the one that created the hoard. But one could argue that as the able-bodied, more competent adult in the household, he could partly be to blame for neglect, as he allows those conditions to persist. Barb is unable physically to clean it up, and if Chris is forcing his mother to subsist in those conditions, regardless of the fact she started it, that is an issue where he is at fault. That he is autistic is not as relevant, as he is a fully functional, competent adult (not an "adult child," as some would say), nor does it matter that he is not the owner of the house. He does have some kind of responsibility because Barb is in a compromised physical state, is elderly, and could arguably be said to have some mental health issues, as witnessed by the past hoarding. At most they would probably have adult protective care workers in there to evaluate the situation, write reports, try to correct the actions, and help Barb receive any care that she requires but may not be receiving. It is not likely that Chris at this time would be charged with anything, but if Barb's condition worsens and he does not do something to help, then that could be a possibility later on. As her health worsens and she becomes increasingly frail, she will in effect become not a prisoner of a hoard she created, but instead a hoard that Chris allows to exist out of neglect, an important distinction. Look at it from the perspective of what is going to happen 10 years from now, if Barb still lives and is trapped inside that filth because Chris can't be bothered to clean it up. The guilt in that case is rather more plain to see than it may perhaps be now. So, in summary, I think the possibility of the county or state getting involved due to the hoard or to future elder abuse/neglect is another issue.

We don't really know to what degree or even if Barb is in arrears on her mortgage payments at all. I would put paying the mortgage as one of her major priorities, because no payment means no hoard, and she's utterly loco for that hoard. The non-mention of desperate financial problems seems like Barb hasn't told Chris about this situation at a minimum, but there would be no way to hide the Banktrolls calling 14 Branchland or their demands being made in the mail.

There are a couple of major events that might have led to that (Bob's passing, 10/28/11 foremost amongst them) but I doubt it. Indeed, it seems like Barb is in control of their financial situation and that's why "Synder round 2" involved paying a non-performance fine in lieu of community service--and that fine came out of discretionary funds.

They've got more than 2 years, as long as Barb retains control over the money and doesn't blow it.

As for State Intervention: Probably if 14 Branchland gets redtagged, if Barb or Chris contract a truly dangerous disease or some other terrible thing happens. Not easily, given the GET ALL THAT STUFF OFF THE INTERNET NOW NOW NOW did nothing at all. Possibly, if Chris or Barb themselves ask for it, maybe something happens. But I'd put it at under .1%; they won't ask and Virginia won't step in on its own.

 

[DustyR]

I am aware that it is commonplace on this board and elsewhere to assert that Chris is of that low level of functioning, but I strongly disagree. He is not merely an adult in a legal sense, but in every sense. Poor decisions and bizarre behavior does not make him incompetent. I do think that responsibility for the conditions in the household, while not caused by him, are now to some extent HIS. As she ages and her condition worsens, his level of responsibility will increase. He is not a retard, not an "adult child," but a college educated man who makes incredibly stupid decisions at times due to his inherent cruelty, selfishness, naivete, and inexperience. If he were more motivated, he could lead an entirely different lifestyle. He is capable, but does not chose to do so, and likely never will. In any case, he is the caregiver; she is the invalid.

I've selected a few of the attributes for elder neglect, which would apply for Chris' care of Barb.
Neglect:
■ Untreated medical condition
■ Untreated mental health problem(s) (likely)
■ Bedsores
■ Dirt, fleas, lice on person
■ Fecal/urine smell (possible)
■ Insect infested living quarters (possible)
■ Accumulated newspaper/debris
■ Hazardous living conditions
■ Soiled bedding/furniture (possible)

I doubt Barb will be alive then either in 10 years, but my point is that if she were, the blame for the deplorable conditions would be easier for some to see. She doesn't need to be 80. She is already an elderly invalid with undiagnosed mental health problems. Chris is not at blame for causing the hoard to come into existence, but he is to blame for allowing it to exist. He is the caregiver.

Adult protective services is an entirely different agency than the health department. They deal with the abuse and neglect of the elderly and try to provide corrective measures to increase the quality of life and stop the neglect/abuse. I'm aware the health dept. was contacted in the past, although I am not sure they were the appropriate agency. They would not, for instance, have legal standing to condemn the house if it needed to be. I do not think it appears to be in that kind of condition, although that could happen in the future if living conditions deteriorate further with neglect.

Chris is a grown man. Don't give him a pass by saying he isn't incompetent or functions at the level of a child. He can be very conniving and manipulative as he has shown by trying to make elaborate plans to lash out to enemies, whether real or troll personas, as in the past. He functions at a below average level certainly, but is an adult and more capable than plenty of normal people. He should not escape blame from his peers (us, gal pals, etc.). Barb is a grown woman who has worked hard to try and give Chris a chance at a good life, through her own misguided ways and with her share of mistakes along the way. It is not fair that she has to suffer in those conditions in her golden years as her fully competent adult child idles away his time with the nonsense that consumes his life. (Think back to the phone call where Barb tried to solicit Chris' help in cleaning, and he was uninterested. It shows she tried to get help. She cannot help herself now.)

 

[CWCissey]

I am aware that it is commonplace on this board and elsewhere to assert that Chris is of that low level of functioning, but I strongly disagree. He is not merely an adult in a legal sense, but in every sense. Poor decisions and bizarre behavior does not make him incompetent. I do think that responsibility for the conditions in the household, while not caused by him, are now to some extent HIS. As she ages and her condition worsens, his level of responsibility will increase. He is not a exceptional individual, not an "adult child," but a college educated man who makes incredibly stupid decisions at times due to his inherent cruelty, selfishness, naivete, and inexperience. If he were more motivated, he could lead an entirely different lifestyle. He is capable, but does not chose to do so, and likely never will. In any case, he is the caregiver; she is the invalid.

I've selected a few of the attributes for elder neglect, which would apply for Chris' care of Barb.
Neglect:
■ Untreated medical condition
■ Untreated mental health problem(s) (likely)
■ Bedsores
■ Dirt, fleas, lice on person
■ Fecal/urine smell (possible)
■ Insect infested living quarters (possible)
■ Accumulated newspaper/debris
■ Hazardous living conditions
■ Soiled bedding/furniture (possible)

I doubt Barb will be alive then either in 10 years, but my point is that if she were, the blame for the deplorable conditions would be easier for some to see. She doesn't need to be 80. She is already an elderly invalid with undiagnosed mental health problems. Chris is not at blame for causing the hoard to come into existence, but he is to blame for allowing it to exist. He is the caregiver.

Adult protective services is an entirely different agency than the health department. They deal with the abuse and neglect of the elderly and try to provide corrective measures to increase the quality of life and stop the neglect/abuse. I'm aware the health dept. was contacted in the past, although I am not sure they were the appropriate agency. They would not, for instance, have legal standing to condemn the house if it needed to be. I do not think it appears to be in that kind of condition, although that could happen in the future if living conditions deteriorate further with neglect.

Chris is a grown man. Don't give him a pass by saying he isn't incompetent or functions at the level of a child. He can be very conniving and manipulative as he has shown by trying to make elaborate plans to lash out to enemies, whether real or troll personas, as in the past. He functions at a below average level certainly, but is an adult and more capable than plenty of normal people. He should not escape blame from his peers (us, gal pals, etc.). Barb is a grown woman who has worked hard to try and give Chris a chance at a good life, through her own misguided ways and with her share of mistakes along the way. It is not fair that she has to suffer in those conditions in her golden years as her fully competent adult child idles away his time with the nonsense that consumes his life. (Think back to the phone call where Barb tried to solicit Chris' help in cleaning, and he was uninterested. It shows she tried to get help. She cannot help herself now.)

Until Chris shows successful self-sufficiency, he's still a child as far as I'm concerned.

 

[garbageraider]

I am aware that it is commonplace on this board and elsewhere to assert that Chris is of that low level of functioning, but I strongly disagree. He is not merely an adult in a legal sense, but in every sense. Poor decisions and bizarre behavior does not make him incompetent.

Please. He has the mind of a child. He's autistic, mentally ill, and withdrawing more and more from society. Even after a long period of rehabilitation, he might just barely be capable of taking care of himself, living on his own, and holding a job. At best.

If he were more motivated, he could lead an entirely different lifestyle. He is capable, but does not chose to do so, and likely never will.

Yeah, and if pigs had wings, they could fly.

Chris is a grown man. Don't give him a pass by saying he isn't incompetent or functions at the level of a child. He can be very conniving and manipulative as he has shown by trying to make elaborate plans to lash out to enemies, whether real or troll personas, as in the past. He functions at a below average level certainly, but is an adult and more capable than plenty of normal people.

Chris is a grown man . Don't give him a pass by saying he isn't incompetent or functions at the level of a child . He can be very conniving and manipulative as he has shown by trying to make elaborate plans to lash out :arrow: to enemies , whether real or troll personas , as in the past. He functions at a below average level certainly, but is an adult and more capable than plenty of normal people.

 

[Hyperion]

Chris is going to end up on the streets. Let's see how our Autistic Hero fares against a few street smart bums.

/thread

 

[garbageraider]

Chris is going to end up on the streets. Let's see how our Autistic Hero fares against a few street smart bums.

/thread

Don't forget, he'll have Sonichu and Rosechu on his side! Those Curse-ye-ha-me-ha's will devistate those other bums!
No, seriously, I think as mentally ill as Chris is, and with his horrible hygiene and appearance, Chris will fit in with the homeless crowd just fine. :arrow:

 

[Hyperion]

He'll be accepted eventually anyway. I just can't imagine how he'll do anything but tard rage more, day by day, as more shit is stolen from him while he sleeps.

Just imagine how he's going to turn up to the homeless. A naive idiot packed to the gills with shit thats easy to pawn. I know what I would do in their shoes. It won't matter how much the PSP fetches me at the pawn shop, thats still $10 I didn't have before I walked in.

 

[CatParty]

Suckin dick for q-sands

 

[Marvin]

Barb will maintain the mortgage payments herself while she's alive, no problem. It's post-Barb that I'm worried about. Chris will fuck up on that super quickly.

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

Chris is going to end up on the streets. Let's see how our Autistic Hero fares against a few street smart bums.

/thread

Quick clarification:

By "bums", do you mean street people, or the slang term for buttocks? Some of the posters here are from outside the US, and I wanted to avoid confusion.

Frankly, I feel Chris would be defeated by both, but visualizing the second scenario intrigues me.

 

[timtommy]

Barb will maintain the mortgage payments herself while she's alive, no problem. It's post-Barb that I'm worried about. Chris will fuck up on that super quickly.

How much longer does the mortgage run? They have been living there a while.

 

[Some JERK]

Barb will maintain the mortgage payments herself while she's alive, no problem. It's post-Barb that I'm worried about. Chris will fuck up on that super quickly.

You would think that if a forum full of strangers realized this, that Borb surely would have, and that there would be some kind of provision involving wills and life insurance to pay off the mortgage so that Chris won't end up in a position to lose 14 BLC quite so easily.

But then again, Borb's incredibly awful judgement regarding Chris is a huge factor in why a forum full of strangers even discusses it in the first place.

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

A doctor once told me mean people seem to live the longest. Buckle up guys, Barb may have a good decade and a half left.

It could be worse than that. I mean, really, we don't know what constitutes life or death for Barb. She could just break down into an intelligent liquid that possesses the hoard. Or, maybe at the end of this life-cycle, she regenerates into Tom Baker or something.

Spoiler

 

[Marvin]

Barb will maintain the mortgage payments herself while she's alive, no problem. It's post-Barb that I'm worried about. Chris will fuck up on that super quickly.

How much longer does the mortgage run? They have been living there a while.

Beats me.

 

[Enjoy your spaghetti]

A doctor once told me mean people seem to live the longest. Buckle up guys, Barb may have a good decade and a half left.

It could be worse than that. I mean, really, we don't know what constitutes life or death for Barb. She could just break down into an intelligent liquid that possesses the hoard. Or, maybe at the end of this life-cycle, she regenerates into Tom Baker or something.

Spoiler

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7844/kj3u.jpg

Now that's a life upgrade!

 

[Descent]

Barb will maintain the mortgage payments herself while she's alive, no problem. It's post-Barb that I'm worried about. Chris will fuck up on that super quickly.

How much longer does the mortgage run? They have been living there a while.

Depends on a couple of things like how much their downpayment was, there interest rate, and if they took out a second mortage.

Now there's a question. Do you think Barb's taken out a second mortage and plans to let Chris deal with it when she dies?

 

[CatParty]

Yeah mortgages are never getting paid off