Sony hate thread

Sensible post. Nintendo is the smartest of the big three. Their ability to focus on art style and playability has allowed them to print cash for the last eight years. Realistically, the only two gaming devices you need currently are a PC and a Switch. That pretty much covers everything.
Really just the PC except for the portable aspect as the PC can emulate the switch perfectly.
 
I don't agree these are really all that different in terms of market, Switch specifically made me not care about Digital Foundry tier visual minutia as much and has taken a lot of money that I would have otherwise spent on home consoles.

Most people would look at it as a series of tradeoffs.
If you don't care about graphics then you aren't the fucking customer. Thats the point of my post, Sony is offering you the PS5, its offering the PS5 Pro to people who want graphical fidelity.
 
The PS5Pro is history in the making, it is the point where diminishing returns hit critical mass.

If it played all PS5 games in 4k@120fps in ultra with full RT or 8k@30 with RT, you could argue it was worth buying.

Ps5 games don't need to look better though. Ratchet looks incredible. Does anyone need to pay £700 to see irrelevant distant textures? Not really.

You could argue we hit diminishing returns X years ago. PS5 is still a noticable step-up from the PS4 and the normiefags and niggercattle are now noticing there's no need to go better.

COD, Fifa, Fortnite, APex, all look good enough for the casuals. Why go moar power? There's no need.

Diminishing returns have been hit for the masses. Game over.
 
If you don't care about graphics then you aren't the fucking customer. Thats the point of my post, Sony is offering you the PS5, its offering the PS5 Pro to people who want graphical fidelity.
It's the other way around. I cared about graphics, then I didn't because newer mobile hardware convinced me otherwise. I'm not alone in that.

If you erode an audience with a more compelling product that's called competition.
 
What a load of horseshit. To set up and play the "content" you purchase (first time power on), you have to:
  • Connect the display
  • Connect power
  • Connect the controller
  • Select your language
  • Configure your internet connection (mandatory)
  • Accept the terms and conditions
  • Update the system software
  • Log into your PSN account (or create one)
  • Either load the disc and install the "content" to the hard drive (lol no running off the disc, are you kidding?) or go to the online store and download your "content"
  • Navigate the home page to find your "content" and press whatever buttons are needed to select and launch it
  • Accept their terms and conditions
And what is this "no ads" garbage?

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Wanna tell me what percentage of this home page is dedicated to listing the shit you've paid for and have immediate access to? Oh right, it's that little tiny bar of tiny icons at top-left. The entire rest of the screen is fucking ads.

Fuck you Hideaki Nishino, you lying fucking faggot.

That interface is so damn awful, Even Steam's Big Picture mode focuses on showing the most relevant store games first and foremost or you can set it up to show your own library at boot up.

Playstation's interface reminds me of this scene from Ready Player One:



Same scumbag corpo greed vibe.
 
You can't really call the Switch a competitor to, specifically, the Pro model of PS5. Because I play Switch downports sometimes and generally speaking they either look or run like dog shit. If I'm unlucky they do both. Its a totally different market segment.
Regarding western triple-A games, sure. Dying Light and Kingdom Come Deliverance were decent ports on Switch in my experience but it's not where I would recommend the most unless reasons. And the console is obviously not strong enough to handle demanding titles like the recent Space Marine 2.

But for anything ranging between indies, re-releases (remasters) of old games, remnants of the AA genre and Japanese games, differences are virtually non-existent on Switch compared to PS4/PS5. And these games do cover quite a large portion of the Playstation library which ultimately makes the Switch a competitor, especially with the latter holding a stronger selling argument as a hybrid system.

And we have Sony Interactive literally surrendering the entire Japanese gaming industry to Nintendo (and partially PC/Steam) for the years to come thanks to the culmination of bad decisions from the retarded american suits. Some Japanese third-parties may be still pretending not to notice how dramatically the market has shifted in Japan or have been hooked into giving their domestic market share away.

I can safely say no matter how Japanese devs and publishers decide to move forward, if they want any chance of salvaging their domestic prospects (and they definitely do care considering their past complaints in interviews and twitter posts), they’ll have to do it within this decade while fans of their IPs are both still alive AND still playing video games. Once they lose their clout in Japanese enthusiast spaces with not enough new fans to replace them, every best-selling IP that was relegated solely to PC and Playstation is basically starting from square one at best or will have to compete with the 3rd-party IPs that grew and flourished on Nintendo hardware in their absence at worst.

It's why we just got ports of Ace Combat 7, One Piece Odyssey, Yakuza Kiwami and the mainline Neptunia games on Switch this year. Not that the task was remotely hard, but because their devs/publishers didn't see the opportunity to build a new audience on Nintendo earlier until the disaster of Playstation became painfully obvious.

We won't see Playstation reaching the bottom yet until next year at the earliest, when the PS5 has to stack up against a pricier but far more performant 2025 Nintendo hybrid instead of the cheaper old-tech 2017 one. Expect the competition to be no longer bloody, but stomach-churningly gory this time.
 
We won't see Playstation reaching the bottom yet until next year at the earliest, when the PS5 has to stack up against a pricier but far more performant 2025 Nintendo hybrid instead of the cheaper old-tech 2017 one. Expect the competition to be no longer bloody, but stomach-churningly gory this time.
I have to disagree on this. In my opinion. I think they will churn out a PS6 and that will kill them when it has to compete with a newly galvanised Nintendo that has new AAA games from big Japanese publishers while Sony will be even more lacking in exclusives. Sony has enough money to make a final push with a new console even if it is in vain.
 
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And we have Sony Interactive literally surrendering the entire Japanese gaming industry to Nintendo (and partially PC/Steam) for the years to come thanks to the culmination of bad decisions from the retarded american suits. Some Japanese third-parties may be still pretending not to notice how dramatically the market has shifted in Japan or have been hooked into giving their domestic market share away.
The repercussions of this are going to be felt for (console) generations to come. For quite a while, japanese 3rd parties have been largely run by people at least somewhat antagonistic towards nintendo. Whether it's being unironically mindbroken to this day over nintendo requiring the games they release to be functional during the famicom days after the crash (legitimately, old guard japanese 3rd party people still bring this up in interviews to this day), or they're a bit younger and remember the "good old days" when sony would treat them to $1000 a plate dinners every week during the ps1 and ps2 eras, which definitely wasn't a bribe, and maybe sony will start doing that again if they just skip the switch for their new game, that's just what the status quo was for decades.

This really has started to shift though in what I'd consider the sony decline period, and a lot of new devs entering the industry grew up during that era. This is at least part of why you see all these companies and franchises that have almost exist as arms of sony's machine for the past 20+ years bringing their games to switch. We haven't been in the sony decline era for a while now, we're in the full blown sony collapse era. Series that would have sold in excess of 2 million during the ps2 era now having budgets that are 100x bigger, but barely scraping by 250k sales thanks to ps5. The supposed love letter to sony's history barely hitting 10k. Ps5 might have had 2/3 of its sales in japan be from foreign scalpers.

The next wave of game devs in japan are going to be the ones that grew up during the era of unprecedented switch domination. During a time which sony was actively hostile for zero benefit. PS5 during its peak isn't even competition for the exhaust fumes of the tail end of the switch's life. What do you think is going to happen in japan when the switch 2 launches? Even if sony did a complete 180 right now (ignoring the fact that they'd need to have done it years ago with how abysmally long game dev takes, due in no small part to them), I doubt it would be enough to reverse course.

TL;DR: Sony is beyond fucked in japan, and this isn't rock bottom, it's the tip of the iceberg.
 
I have to disagree on this. In my opinion. I think they will churn out a PS6 and that will kill them when it has to compete with a newly galvanised Nintendo that has new AAA games from big Japanese publishers while Sony will be even more lacking in exclusives. Sony has enough money to make a final push with a new console even if it is in vain.
I don't see Sony making a PS6 any time soon. There's no reason to.
they're a bit younger and remember the "good old days" when sony would treat them to $1000 a plate dinners every week during the ps1 and ps2 eras, which definitely wasn't a bribe, and maybe sony will start doing that again if they just skip the switch for their new game, that's just what the status quo was for decades.
This crowd stuck by Sony with the PS Vita before pivoting to the PS4. My impression was was they legitimately didn't believe their audience would move to Nintendo consoles and that their market just shrank. I doubt anyone has those delusions anymore. After a few years of cross releases on Switch where the Switch ver sold 4x as much as the PS4/5 ver it's led to a situation where increasingly there is no PS5 ver.
 
I don't see Sony making a PS6 any time soon. There's no reason to.
Xbox leaks showed they're already gearing up for next gen. Sony will have no choice but to follow no later than a year afterwards. Also, while Nintendo isn't directly competing with Sony I can't imagine the hype around a new console will help push PS5s, pro or otherwise.
 
Xbox leaks showed they're already gearing up for next gen. Sony will have no choice but to follow no later than a year afterwards. Also, while Nintendo isn't directly competing with Sony I can't imagine the hype around a new console will help push PS5s, pro or otherwise.
Why? Xbox is a nonfactor these days.

Replacing the PS5 just means ill will to their fanbase and even higher cost for development, all for... games that look the same? For more money? In a tough economic environment?

I can see them going a minimum 10 years, maybe aiming for 12. Switch is hitting 8 years with ease.
 
Xbox leaks showed they're already gearing up for next gen. Sony will have no choice but to follow no later than a year afterwards. Also, while Nintendo isn't directly competing with Sony I can't imagine the hype around a new console will help push PS5s, pro or otherwise.
Why? Xbox is a nonfactor these days.

Replacing the PS5 just means ill will to their fanbase and even higher cost for development, all for... games that look the same? For more money? In a tough economic environment?

I can see them going a minimum 10 years, maybe aiming for 12. Switch is hitting 8 years with ease.
Sony already stated that the ps5 was entering the "latter stage of its life cycle" at the beginning of the year, with statements from the activision merger lawsuit suggesting the plan is to release the ps6 in 2027 or 2028.
 
TL;DR: Sony is beyond fucked in japan, and this isn't rock bottom, it's the tip of the iceberg.

I think another major contributing factor to jap gamedevs moving away from Sony was the realization that being PS exclusive (post PS2 domination) meant only getting a part of the global market, and that with an english translation and a multiplat release you can easily rake in millions of sales more for not that much extra work.

MHW for example became Capcoms all time best seller by just doing both consoles and PC and pretty much cemented their future games as multiplat.
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Japan is obviously getting these ports as well as a side effect, which breaks Sonys iron grip on the market.
 
I think another major contributing factor to jap gamedevs moving away from Sony was the realization that being PS exclusive (post PS2 domination) meant only getting a part of the global market, and that with an english translation and a multiplat release you can easily rake in millions of sales more for not that much extra work.
Especially true once the PS4/Xbone generation came around and you no longer had the expensive overhead of accommodating wildly different hardware architectures. Not being multi-platform at that point was just throwing money away unless Sony gave you an absolute sweetheart exclusivity deal.
 
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