Space Station 13 and Its successors communities - Lolcows and milk... In spess

[Some Spaceman]

so many new joins with ss13 themed names.
I hope some of these guys stick around and arent throwaways, would be funny to start seeing ss13 references in usernames around the site from here on.

For what it's worth, I've been lurking for years, mainly in the Louis Gagliardi thread and the Chibi thread. I signed up because I have extremely extensive knowledge on Space Station 13 and I wanted to see the true depths of SS14's insanity. It was happenstance that after I signed up my knowledge was required.

Sethtide was only a stay of execution for SS13. I don't think it was meant to last for this long. The fact that Byond is ancient and only kept afloat by SS13 players funding it won't help it when something in the technology landscape inevitably changes that renders Byond unusable or at least too much of a security risk than it already is. If there were people that genuinely care about games like SS13 then they would make a successor with a completely original idea that captures what made SS13 great and avoid the pitfalls. All in a new engine that isn't hell to contribute to. SS13 is stuck in the past and no amount of fancy programming and updates to sprites will change that.

Its like when you have a pet that you know has an illness that will kill it, and the only thing keeping it alive is the fact that you won't let it go. You can postpone the inevitable, and spend tons of time and money treating the symptoms, or you can do the humane thing and let it pass on its own when its ready to. I think the reason why SS13 communities are so rife with drama, is because its full of a bunch of maladapted autists that can't let it go because they've been playing it 6 hours a night for the past 5 years.

OpenDream is the planned future for the Space Station 13 community. It is a remake of Byond inside the (unfortunately troon infested) Robust Toolbox engine. You will know this as the engine that powers SS14. The good news is that OpenDream itself is run by mostly sane people who stay out of the retarded drama and don't have any connections to SS14/Wizden outside of "This is an engine bug, fix it". It's been in development for years and is shaping up extremely well. It runs the same code that Byond uses, currently requiring extremely small changes to plop an existing codebase into OD. The plan is for it to be a drop-in replacement, which it's as close as it can be without modifying things like Windows or Chromium.

The OpenDream Github

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[pootoucher]

He lives in seattle. How does this come as a surprise?

i sware, something in the water there

OpenDream is the planned future for the Space Station 13 community. It is a remake of Byond inside the (unfortunately troon infested) Robust Toolbox engine. You will know this as the engine that powers SS14. The good news is that OpenDream itself is run by mostly sane people who stay out of the retarded drama and don't have any connections to SS14/Wizden outside of "This is an engine bug, fix it". It's been in development for years and is shaping up extremely well.

I do have questions about Robust Toolbox and such;
Are there any cool servers on the SS14 platform? Or OpenDream? Or are the troons super-invasive and banhappy on people connecting to Badthink Servers?

 

[Tri-Tachyon'sClown]

The OpenDream Github

The idea is great and pretty ambitious, however I'm convinced anything that even remotely touches SS13 is doomed to be infiltrated and subverted by bad actors unless they're overtly against what is trying to subverting them. I'm talking nearing CHUD levels of overt, anything less is still susceptible as simply wanting to stay out of faggoty drama, politics, etc. is not enough these days.

 

[enaR]

The idea is great and pretty ambitious, however I'm convinced anything that even remotely touches SS13 is doomed to be subverted unless they're overtly against what is subverting them. I'm talking nearing CHUD levels of overt, anything less is still susceptible as simply wanting to stay out of faggoty drama, politics, etc. is not enough these days.

Mostly the infrastructure that's been the problem so far, no? It will just come down to whether migrating codebases choose to use Wizard auth or not. My hope is that somebody figures out a way to use BYOND auth which would sidestep that.

 

[Some Spaceman]

Mostly the infrastructure that's been the problem so far, no? It will just come down to whether migrating codebases choose to use Wizard auth or not. My hope is that somebody figures out a way to use BYOND auth which would sidestep that.

Wizden Auth will not be used. My understanding is that the OpenDream team wants nothing to do with TroonDen or their administration style. There was a document posted a few months ago about how they intend to handle it but I lost it.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

the Sethtide being the reason for ss13's decline in quality has always felt like a huge cope to me. I didn't particularly notice a difference apart from a few more newer players. Granted I probably wasn't super active around that time but everyone seems to always seethe about the seethetide.

I was on hiatus from 13 during Ssethtide but I don't really see the connection with Sseth and the people I came back to having ruined Space Station. In fact they usually complain about how edgy Sseth is and how the video makes players think that comedy is okay, not realizing the harm that their jokes and griefing are doing to vulnerable women.

Sethtide literally didn't do shit. I was before, during and after sethtide. It was short, sharp and only a few people actually stayed after they tided in. /tg/ was being slowly strangled by 'NO FUN ALLOWED' faggots that wanted to second life RP as their gay faggot fursonas.

If were arguing that then 2014/15 was the beginning of the end. It metastasized fatally after 2016 election with goon's purity spiral shortly after, led to the 2016 gooncode leak, and old guard exodus. Back around 2015 bay too had a purity spiral after being taken over by oi you got a loicense britbongs, they would ban you for near anything. Idk about /tg/.

 

[Shaft Miner]

so many new joins with ss13 themed names.
I hope some of these guys stick around and arent throwaways, would be funny to start seeing ss13 references in usernames around the site from here on.

Don't really have much to add to other conversations, only reason I even spoke here was seeing MSO spout the same nonsense other admins and coders on /tg/ always have basically denying the reasons for their server dying. I appreciate a place to share opinions freely at least even if I don't agree with a lot of them.

 

[Poop Denier]

tl;dr MSO is basically this.

 

[SuStallone]

He may not be very downlow about it judging by his tumblr likes
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I'm assuming he's going to turn off his likes after I post this so I'll include some other posts I found in there.
Pro illegal and unethical fantasies?
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I think it's disgusting he can like a post saying that a 19 year old would be a victim if they got preyed on by a grown adult while trying to act that out in real life.
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He lives in seattle. How does this come as a surprise?
Actually, editing to not doublepost but what if he's just a closeted troon?
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This is a pinned post (s/a) on his reddit account (s/a)

Wouldn't surprise me one bit.

See? I can smell a tranny chaser from a mile away, they have this particular stink - this also plays into why he would keep them around despite disagreeing with them politically, a bit like how Vaush enjoys creaming himself to troons but angrily sperges at them when they hiss at him.
Now in terms of if he wants to be a tranny (AGAMP), or just wants to fuck them (GAMP) - the distinction is very thin since they tend to overlap.

He does give me AGAMP vibes, but I'd say GAMP to be safe. A chasercel who failed at dating real women so he's going for the temu versions.

 

[Google.com]

the Sethtide being the reason for ss13's decline in quality has always felt like a huge cope to me. I didn't particularly notice a difference apart from a few more newer players. Granted I probably wasn't super active around that time but everyone seems to always seethe about the seethetide.

You could say it was already going the way it was but if you want to put a line where it was fine before and fucked after it's a good place to put it. I think seeing all these new players hosts got too obsessed with immediate player count over making something that was actually fun.

It's all about, "How do we make our server more dumbed down and retarded so new players like it more" instead of, "What cool new features or crazy custom coded downstream can we make that'll be fun and attract players." Generally servers before would grab the current version of Bay, TG, or whatever and modify it to hell to basically be a new game and then manually port any updates from TG they want. Now you have all the hosts going around and making sure they don't go too crazy so they can just have a github bot auto merging every TG update blindly without anyone having to touch anything.

And this is shown pretty clearly on the hub, before if you didnt want to play TG, paradise, goon any of the big ones you had Yog or Oracle now you just have generic TG downstream pretending to be Beestation, Generic TG downstream with Internet sex and furries, Generic TG downstream with Internet sex and furries #2, Generic TG downstream with Internet sex and furries #3.

 

[SuStallone]

You could say it was already going the way it was but if you want to put a line where it was fine before and fucked after it's a good place to put it. I think seeing all these new players hosts got too obsessed with immediate player count over making something that was actually fun.

It's all about, "How do we make our server more dumbed down and retarded so new players like it more" instead of, "What cool new features or crazy custom coded downstream can we make that'll be fun and attract players." Generally servers before would grab the current version of Bay, TG, or whatever and modify it to hell to basically be a new game and then manually port any updates from TG they want. Now you have all the hosts going around and making sure they don't go too crazy so they can just have a github bot auto merging every TG update blindly without anyone having to touch anything.

And this is shown pretty clearly on the hub, before if you didnt want to play TG, paradise, goon any of the big ones you had Yog or Oracle now you just have generic TG downstream pretending to be Beestation, Generic TG downstream with Internet sex and furries, Generic TG downstream with Internet sex and furries #2, Generic TG downstream with Internet sex and furries #3.

This, and the fact whenever someone tries to make something different and adds new features, they just get absorbed into a bigger server which just ports everything.

 

[putabangindonkonit]

2016 gooncode leak

This is just a memory of mine, but when Goonstation leaked in 2016, Feweh, a name you'll probably see posted on here a few more times, gave the goon station leaker 500 dollars in bitcoin to stop the leak, and of course the guy accepted the money, and then just leaked it anyway.

while I don't know if this is the right number, 500 dollars worth of bitcoin was actually one bitcoin back then, meaning that one single bitcoin is now worth 100k.

or I'm totally wrong, lol

 

[Some Spaceman]

I do have questions about Robust Toolbox and such;
Are there any cool servers on the SS14 platform? Or OpenDream? Or are the troons super-invasive and banhappy on people connecting to Badthink Servers?

OpenDream is in-dev so the only servers are the test servers used to... test.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

This is just a memory of mine, but when Goonstation leaked in 2016, Feweh, a name you'll probably see posted on here a few more times, gave the goon station leaker 500 dollars in bitcoin to stop the leak, and of course the guy accepted the money, and then just leaked it anyway.

while I don't know if this is the right number, 500 dollars worth of bitcoin was actually one bitcoin back then, meaning that one single bitcoin is now worth 100k.

or I'm totally wrong, lol

It was $400 in at-the-moment BC, and the rest is right.

It was leaked AGAIN in 2020 and the admins published it themselves as a response. After which they just made everything except the Z-level secrets open source anyway.

The 2 leaks ruined the fuck out of the all the closely guarded secrets, which was both neat as fuck to see everything for those of us who didn't have hours on end to explore them in-game...but also blew away all the carefully created mystique that had been built up over a decade.

https://wiki.ss13.co/History_of_SS13#Leak:_2020

 

[Jotch]

OpenDream is in-dev so the only servers are the test servers used to... test.

I pray for a good BYOND alternative that current code can be easily ported over to. The Rivierastation KF server is on a countdown of unknown length before exadv or someone else interferes in a way that has never happened before (SOP for anything KF touches).

 

[Nickolas Gurr]

the Sethtide being the reason for ss13's decline in quality has always felt like a huge cope to me.

The Ssethtide was a good thing and Im tired of pretending that it wasnt

exadv or someone else interferes in a way that has never happened before

He didnt get involved when literal open pedos and chuddies ran servers so probably not, exadv isn't really involved in SS13 anymore, but he is also a babyfur faggot who's probably friends with some ERP server admins so who knows.

 

[LowlyPheasent]

the Sethtide being the reason for ss13's decline in quality has always felt like a huge cope to me. I didn't particularly notice a difference apart from a few more newer players. Granted I probably wasn't super active around that time but everyone seems to always seethe about the seethetide.

A bulk of the faggots who led to the decline of places like tg were the result of shitmins and their faggy friends not ssethtards. Fags just seethed about new "disruptive" players. Look at all the long time contributors and admins who trooned out or chugged the koolaid. The cancer was already terminal and spreading before the ssethtide.

 

[Some Spaceman]

I pray for a good BYOND alternative that current code can be easily ported over to. The Rivierastation KF server is on a countdown of unknown length before exadv or someone else interferes in a way that has never happened before (SOP for anything KF touches).

OpenDream

 

[Nickolas Gurr]

We should make a kiwi barotrauma server

 

[Moths]

A bulk of the faggots who led to the decline of places like tg were the result of shitmins and their faggy friends not ssethtards. Fags just seethed about new "disruptive" players. Look at all the long time contributors and admins who trooned out or chugged the koolaid. The cancer was already terminal and spreading before the ssethtide.

Well new players disrupt me because my meta clique dont get to have all the medical slots!