Space Station 13 and Its successors communities - Lolcows and milk... In spess

[enaR]

 

[PunishedTrover]

Archfag figured out how to run SS13 on wine properly with webview2?
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Someone already has a lutris installer for anyone too retarded to use wine

 

[larry king urethra slicer]

This nigga mso becoming darth vader on god

 

[enaR]

"Thoughts that started about 8 months before"

Anything to speculate on in April or May 2024 that turned on the sissification rays?

 

[Davy Jones' Left Nut]

On older versions of /tg/ and baystation, the wishgranter from the stalker serries was an actual item?

Gigaold stuff before being removed. Or was made for some event. Not sure.

The banhammer is an ingame admeme spawn item?

Used to ban for ten minutes or so with a special ban message. UNTIL certain people figured out how to shitspawn without admin perms.

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

"Thoughts that started about 8 months before"

Anything to speculate on in April or May 2024 that turned on the sissification rays?

If it's 2025 April/May there's the "I'm a woman hear me roar" shitpost.

I refuse to to get a tumblr account (it gate locks you after a certain point in archive). But looking at reddit there's an odd gap of 2+ years stuff ago to a sudden article on "consent" and rape. So I think this post trying telling men to define consent is what broke him, Tumblr (archive) (reddit/archive). Yes. His response is 1075 words long and attached here in quotes so you don't have to reinforce his worldview via clicks.

I have had to explain to male friends that yes, they were raped, they did not consent to her doing that, and relenting because of how she’ll react doesn’t change this fact.

I have had to show guy friends how to assert their own boundaries, and have done both mostly off the back of “well would you find it acceptable to do that to her”.

I had zero hesitation in turning down a stoned friend who was hitting on me, and had zero regret about it when they told me the next day they wouldn’t have minded if i took them up on it.

I even used to date a girl into CNC and spent some time exploring how consent works in that world and was even the one who had the idea of coming up with a “yellow light” word so she didn’t have apprehension expressing more minor discomforts without doing so immediately ending the scene, an apprehension she didn’t tell me she had, i just (correctly) guessed using basic logical empathy and she appreciated that.

I also have autism and if asked on the spot like that out in public, i wouldn’t know how to answer and I would feel like absolute shit for how everybody would view me in the after math.
(oh and can we talk about how because i have autism which often comes off as creepy/offputting, I would be the exact kind of person this bouncer would think to single out and ask that to. or about how as an advocate for male victims that has themselves been the victim of a women (and had issues getting believed because of her gender) I would feel incredibly uncomfortable about the gender'ed tinge dripping off it, which would likely emotionally compromise my ability to focus or think).

anyways, all that to say:

Fuck every single one of you ablest and sexist assholes for cheering this on.​

You are not being an ally for women, you are being used as a tool for dehumanizing men for having issues putting a very complex and abstract concept into words.

Explain to me, if put on the spot, what would you say? You have 15 seconds to comply.

I can’t even, right now figure out how to start to frame the answer and I’ve been typing this post for more than 15 seconds.

Have some unfiltered aspie thought process:
Do they want it framed around the other person? “consent is when she….”, like “consent is when she wants it”?
as a male victim to a female prep, i don’t like the gendered framing, so that wouldn’t come to mind, maybe “consent is when they want it?”.
Is that even enough detail? oh god everybody is staring at me what do i say, quickly quickly quickly
Most of my understanding of consent comes from reflecting upon how my boundaries were violated, would framing it in the first person communicate i have first hand experience or would they assume im dismissing the other person’s consent? “Consent is when I want it.” no, that would only be accepted if a women said it. Maybe I should use we to convey this understanding instead? “Consent is when we want it.” that feels like the kind of thing were they could get offended that you wanted it to be genderless because of your own history, interpreting it as some kind of deflection? I think? oh god the looks. don’t look at me like that! im not a predator im not like her i got to get out of here i don’t care if it validates their opinions anymore i can’t stand the looks.
No what I need to do is figure out how convey I understand nuance around things like pressure and expectations and apprehensions, which from my history and from my short kink stint, I understand better then most of the people in this line, but they aren’t getting asked this question because they aren’t autistic and male. (meanwhile i’m frantically trying to shove aside this anger at knowing that 2 to 4 times as many women then men reported responding with violence to sexual advances being rejected, but only men are likely to get asked this question, my mind can’t handle that right now, it just can’t).
Should i just say “consent doesn’t come from pressure or social expectations” they asked what consent is, not what its not, but is this one of those autism things where i take it too literally?
actually back to framing, are they referring to the mindset of the other party or the act of giving consent? I’m already half way home, alone, likely with less friends then i had before.
Maybe i should put one of those buzzwords in, it could help me bridge the brevity gap and frame it succinctly. enthusiastic? i don’t know, that feels cheap, why wouldn’t they think its just something any predator could just spew out if they are already viewing me in that light? “Consent is when we both enthusiastically want it?” yep, that sounds good, it really is that easy..
Pulling out my keys, i’ve made it back to my apartment building. as i walk to my door the anger i shoved aside earlier is starting to build, only now its presenting as bitter depression, tears roll down my face as i put on my carly rae playlist, her bops sending me to the world in which my social improvisational skills aren’t put to the test with such extreme stakes.

Give me the fucking contract, I’ll take it over anxiety inducing knowledge checks that don’t actually do anything but dehumanize people who don’t dedicate mental energy to figuring out how to avoid appearing like a undesirable person, something undesirables are more likely to do. (ie, IT DOESN’T ACTUALLY PROTECT WOMEN, IF THAT GUY WAS A PROBLEMATIC TYPE THEN HE WOULD HAVE JUST GOOGLED IT ON THE WALK TO THE NEXT BAR AND KNEW WHAT HE NEEDED TO SAY TO SIDESTEP THE CHECK, IT CAN ONLY SERVE TO OSTRACIZE PEOPLE WITH SOCIAL ANXIETY WHO JUST GET HUNG UP BEING PUT ON THE SPOT LIKE THAT.)

Anyways, fellow masc presenting aspies, the answer to the question is likely either “consent is enthusiastically and freely given” or “consent is when she enthusiastically and freely wants it” or something along those lines. Substitute her for we and refuse to entertain anybody who takes offense to that (and some will).

Otherwise, he's on a reddit post spree as of now... He's claiming that he was raped by women in high school (archive).

Did you know?
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On the YMMV entry for SS13 on TVtropes, they claim goonstation is an example of shitdevs (not baystation or any of the troon retarded shitshows)?


In ye old /tg/ lore, the third soviet union was an unironic lore point (the Derlict)?

On goon, there used to be a shield to reflect spells from wizards, to create it you required a jug of pubbie tears, a brush, and a ballistic shield?

Bonus:
ZeWaka is so close to Seattle (portland, OR)/archive, and possibly an Archfag?

 

[Local Wordmason]

Its gonna be five years from now and MSO is still going to be rehashing the same old drama that nobody has any remote interest in anymore because it was the one time he had any power. It doesn't even matter because /tg/ is dying a slow death by purity spiral.

 

[enaR]

ZeWaka is so close to Seattle

Something strange is going on. BC, Washington, and Oregon together have a population of about 18 million. America and Canada together have a population of 380 million. Despite making up less than 5% of the population, it seems like almost every North American Spaceman cow lives there. The first explanation you would jump to is that it is self selection from transplants, but despite not having a total history of most of them that doesn't satisfy me very much given how many obviously could not support themselves in a rather expensive part of their country, and thus presumably are from there and live with family.

 

[alphabetnigger]

Something strange is going on. BC, Washington, and Oregon together have a population of about 18 million. America and Canada together have a population of 380 million. Despite making up less than 5% of the population, it seems like almost every North American Spaceman cow lives there. The first explanation you would jump to is that it is self selection from transplants, but despite not having a total history of most of them that doesn't satisfy me very much given how many obviously could not support themselves in a rather expensive part of their country, and thus presumably are from there and live with family.

Sounds like black crime statistics but for gay spacemen

 

[Masturbator]

He's claiming that he was raped by women in high school (archive).

absolutely existing woman desperately landing herself on MSO's three incher thirst quencher in order for him to have a trauma backstory be like:

 

[Red Frida]

absolutely existing woman desperately landing herself on MSO's three incher thirst quencher in order for him to have a trauma backstory be like:

It could've been some woman so ogrish that the post nut regret ended up making him think he was a woman decades later.

 

[enaR]

It could've been some woman so ogrish that the post nut regret ended up making him think he was a woman decades later.

Is that who he's skinwalking?

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

Which one of us here is bitching on the reddit? Absolutely haram.
Or is it so bad even the regulars can no longer ignore it?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/1ku8dhf/is_ss13_actually_getting_worse/
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Questions to y'all, do spess man game overall got worse? I can't speak for myself, since im not playing that regularly, and im that guy who got really introduced to the game by famous review by SsethTzeentach. Personally, i just like the game as it is. But, lurking spess man community and spess man 14 community, just to make it sure. i wondered.

Does the state of the game, state of the community, everything became worse, and it's not a simple nostalgia?

https://www.reddit.com/r/SS13/comments/1kt5nsu/the_new_nobody_can_ever_be_taken_out_of_a_round/

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This idea that it's a heinous, rule breaking (at at least rule 0 custom-violating) act to "take someone out of a round" is ridiculous. It's bad for a number of reasons I will enumerate

1. It encourages validhunting and bad rp environments

On non-zeroRP servers there are usually guidelines where your librarian (or whatever non-sec role) isn't a robust kung-fu commando that rushes in suicidally to face any of the terrifying threats that jeopardize the station.

This policy is understandable: this is an RP game that is meant to approximate the vibe of real people in a sci-fi settings with non-gamey emotions and motivations like survival instincts.

But like any server policy that doesn't match up with incentives, it either isn't followed very closely or requires the tireless micromanagement of an admin. That's bad!

If a game wants to make danger feel real and high stakes, they impose a meaningful consequence for death. This can directionally simulate the self-preservation instinct of a real person worried about their life or at least losing something they care about. Just look at how streamers in a genuine panic in hardcore games when their hardcore WoW or diablo character they worked for is about to die. And even when they aren't about to die, they tend to be very risk averse (except if they're trying to show off for an audience).

We don't have anything like that in modern ss13, where it's considered a horrible act to actually permanently remove a character from a round. Validhunters keep suit sensors and casually swarm any valid they see like every botanist is secretly a member of the elite Emergency Response Team. If their suit sensors are up, they are promptly revived like they're playing a game of Call of Duty -- antags get in trouble for even hiding bodies in lockers in maint and turning off suit sensors, much less actually cremating bodies. Players know this and so they casually engage in deadly combat.

Characters being likely gone for good changes this dynamic. People get upset for being removed from a 2+ hour round, so they take measures to prevent this from happening in how they behave IC rather than crying to an admin.

2. It requires the micromanagement of antags

There's been a creeping culture of micromanaging antags. You can only preemptively eliminate sec -- but you can't make their bodies hard to recover. You can only eliminate your targets, and otherwise you have to prove to an the satisfaction of an admin that any collateral damage was "absolutely unintentional, your honor."

Micromanaged games are more stressful and less fun. They also require more active administration burden just to make the game work at all, and clogs up the workload and causes decision-fatigue among staff.

Anti-permadeath policies also make antags into temporary inconvenience simulators rather than real threats to the station. The "threat to the station" idea of an antag is increasingly some abstract thing faked through vague RP. But if he isn't just a threat in such a fake IC RP way, you are worried about this guy because he's a menace to the round!

3. It lowers the stakes and lowers the fun

As state in point (1), people behave differently when there are no stakes.

But outside of undesirable RP behavior (every mousey scientist character behaving like elite Delta Force operators because they saw a valid), lowering the stakes of a game makes it less fun. More accessible, maybe. But no consequences means no interesting experiences.

The idea that another player shouldn't be able to affect your gameplay in a way you don't like is a very strange idea except outside of ultra-casual games. SS13 is good becasue it isn't Clash of Clans. Its a pretty hardcore game from a certain perspective: you can really do things to shape the nature of a round and the environment that everyone is forced to share, and that's awesome, even if the side effect is vulnerability to griefing.

4. There's other things to do besides play SS13

One of the great things about Space Station 13 is that it's a calm game - it doesn't require your undivided attention like many other games. You can watch a movie, listen to a pocast, watch a streamer, cook dinner, or even alt tab while playing SS13 as expected. Occasionally there's a crisis that requires some precision, but that's the exception that proves the roll.

You can also join about 100 different servers and immediately start playing again - this includes servers within the same community! Many communities run anywhere from 2 to 5 at the same time.

Permanent death really isn't that big of a deal in SS13. It just ensures some level of persistence within a round and some level of avoidance of danger, since people are attached to the story or project they were building within a round.

This means that if you die, you died in a calm game that wasn't totally defining your day. You're not banned from a sweaty game like Valorant for two hours. You can kinda keep the energy that was going before. This is one of the reasons why I love SS13, actually. It's an unusually relaxing video game.

5. Your investment in the round matters because something is at stake

To reiterate, I am arguing against the ideology of: "It should be basically against server rules to die without a quick revival or round restart. That's because I already invested time building a narrative or project!"

This is a wrongheaded view. SS13 isn't creative mode minecraft, because that would be boring. It's the opposite -- it's closer to one of those permadeath minecraft servers with full pvp where players have to organize themselves into tribes over a ~1 week period and see who can thrive the best -- high-stakes, high-reward thrills where everything they build is glorified with so much more radiance because it was built within the constraints of a real world where things can break and go wrong.

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I try my best to avoid death in SS13 (like I should! that makes for good RP and an interesting social environment between characters who are supposed to approximate actual people.

 

[Souji Tendou]

DDos has been going on for quite some time despite lummox using cloudflare. Now you might say, "dont they do DDos protection?" Yes they do. However, if you were to somehow have real IP leaks, you could bypass them.

Would not be surprised in the slightest if lummox fucked up somewhere in that manner. Would also severely cheapen the cost of the attacks.

 

[Google.com]

DDos has been going on for quite some time despite lummox using cloudflare. Now you might say, "dont they do DDos protection?" Yes they do. However, if you were to somehow have real IP leaks, you could bypass them.

Would not be surprised in the slightest if lummox fucked up somewhere in that manner. Would also severely cheapen the cost of the attacks.

He can only use cloudflare on the website not the hub. Cloudflare only covers HTPS unless you pay them a gigazillion dollars for an enterprise account. He has no way to DDOS protect the hub with cloudflare even if it worked on the site.

 

[Souji Tendou]

He can only use cloudflare on the website not the hub. Cloudflare only covers HTPS unless you pay them a gigazillion dollars for an enterprise account. He has no way to DDOS protect the hub with cloudflare even if it worked on the site.

So its even more useless for him. Of course. I dont believe hub sends out realip at any point though.

 

[Google.com]

So its even more useless for him. Of course. I dont believe hub sends out realip at any point though.

Pretty much. Honestly in my opinion just ignoring it is the best move, it only affects new players. You can still bypass the Hub and pager by just plugging in the server IP in your web browser like byond://shitassserver.gov:port and it will directly connect and bypass the pager. It is a bit annoying if you need to update your client but you can find off-site downloads for the latest version of byond. If you look at the SS13 discords and other communities literally nobody cares about the DDOS people figured out how to bypass the pager in a day. The troon doing it can continue to waste his welfare check.

 

[Drone]

I dont believe hub sends out realip at any point though.

Byond's DNS entries point to realip from hub.byond.com and dirac.byond.com. The former is what the pager contacts. The latter might be for SSH, but I'm not sure.

Lummox JR makes more than enough from Patreon alone to set up proper DDOS-mitigating infrastructure for Byond's server. My guess is that technical debt is the main obstacle in getting that set up. A common route of DDOS mitigation for non-HTTP services is setting up a network of load balancers that only forward genuine traffic, and blackholing any traffic to the real server that doesn't come from them. There's many ways to make this work, but there'd only be an easy way if the hub server's code were sanely engineered.

 

[alphabetnigger]

there'd only be an easy way if the hub server's code were sanely engineered.

It's held up by dried bubblegum

 

[Google.com]

I actually have a question for the more technically inclined though. I'm guessing that the reason byond.com is down despite cloudflare is because it's hosted on the same equipment as the hub. Would that assumption be correct?