So, what's the issue here? Can't recall much of Pathfinder's lore nor I care as good GMs will use their own stuff. It's SV the one that goes with the inane "don't hate fictional races" idea*, lest someone reaches the conclusion that Skaven are jews or something. Considering that Pathfinder allows anyone to become a god at will by passing a test IIRC, it can't be that bad, right?
*I wonder if this kind of inane mentality by the lefties resulted in current DnD's mexican orcs.
This was posted in the thread "Best Examples in Fiction of Crapsack World", where he said that Pathfinder/Golarion is a uniquely hardcore world just for having normal fantasy adventure plots, and [squinting] monarchy... heaven... extreme environments... aliens... Meanwhile, some fantasy worlds don't have broken balance where organized religion singlehandedly turns the world into Star Trek, or epic-level city guards and urchins, or the conceptual nonexistence of slavery.
Ah, I get it. Well, the context was needed. SB is a bit better compared to SV, but they're still Californians/Commies, so obviously any hardship is too much. Golarion is bleak alright, but since it allows for epic-level adventurers, all it needs is an ambitious hero party to fix everything by killing/sealing the bad guys as needed. Hell, as mentioned before the setting has a buit-in method for anyone to become a legit god! Granted, failing disintegrates you, but eh, that's better than say Warhammer Fantasy.
You instantly know when looking at Zor that he's one of the most obnoxious battlers in political matters. The content rules on SpaceBattles mean that it takes a lot more time for you to learn that he's a transformation fetish artist.
I wonder if one could map the users of the site and see just how many people actually use the Whitehall and how many are there for the actual content. A lot of online forums could use a similar research to figure out just how disconnected the political situation is from the rest of the site.
I wonder if one could map the users of the site and see just how many people actually use the Whitehall and how many are there for the actual content. A lot of online forums could use a similar research to figure out just how disconnected the political situation is from the rest of the site.
You can look at the numbers of threads/posts of various subforums. Whitehall has 13.5k threads and 2M posts, which contributes to the 109k threads and 6.7M posts in Non-Sci Fi Debates overall.
General Fiction has 7.2M posts, Quests has 6.3M, Role Playing has 4.8M, Creative Writing has 20.4M. NSFD posters are a minority on the site, and the site culture can be fairly different outside NSFD. The creative forums are harder to moderate due to the length of the posts (numerous 4-5k word posts hourly) so it's a lot easier for stuff that wouldn't fly in Whitehall to escape official notice.
Sometimes it's for the worse, as there have been times where kid sex stuff in fanfics has gone under the radar until someone pointed it out and the mods had to go through and clean house of a bunch of creeps.
But overall, most of the people on SB/SV are there for the quests and fanfic, and they don't necessarily share the sociopolitical views of the average Whitehall/N&P poster.
I wonder if one could map the users of the site and see just how many people actually use the Whitehall and how many are there for the actual content. A lot of online forums could use a similar research to figure out just how disconnected the political situation is from the rest of the site.
The thread is basically dead until 2025...
On the next page, King Arts decides that it would be a good April Fool's prank if he pretended to be gay.
And pushes the "prank" so hard that mrrtao starts to fall for it.
DarthOne thinks that irony somehow excuses Fate Gay/Shit spam from his own larp. Next page, King Arts realizes that he's the only target of this practical joke and takes an opportunity to excuse himself from his self-inflicted humiliation ritual by pretending that he was too dumb to know that anyone else knew until then.
mrttao won't make up his mind about the fate and situation of women in the future.
Dauerschriff continues to be a soulless android.
They dogpile him for thinking like a feminist slut, hats off to their consistency for once.
Simonbob tells mrttao that infertility is a cultural, not economic problem.
And mrttao tells him to ignore his own eyes for the hecking science.
Cue boring tomato fight between ThatZenoGuy and Stargazer.
King Arts dismisses Stargazer's normal Christian opinions as libtardation.
You know, I'm looking over Deuteronomy (non-sietch website) right now and I'm not seeing anything calling for castration. This is getting edgy even for Old Testament YHWH.
Dauerschriff, again, partakes in the opposite kind of crazy and shames virgin women.
Not sure what's the relationship of The Sietch with SV, but a reminder that if SB is bad, Sufficient Velocity is a commie hellhole.
Although what annoys me the most with SB lately are the constant typos and bad spellings in quests and such. Can't they use a checker?
Not sure what's the relationship of The Sietch with SV, but a reminder that if SB is bad, Sufficient Velocity is a commie hellhole.
Although what annoys me the most with SB lately are the constant typos and bad spellings in quests and such. Can't they use a checker?
Not sure what's the relationship of The Sietch with SV, but a reminder that if SB is bad, Sufficient Velocity is a commie hellhole.
Although what annoys me the most with SB lately are the constant typos and bad spellings in quests and such. Can't they use a checker?
SV is made up of commies who thought SB was too centrist.
Sietch is made up of right wingers who were expelled following a witch hunt on SB over PM chains where wrongthinkers were talking.
Following from this, Sietch had a collapse in 2020 and 2021 over the election and the obvious sus shit that went on. To make matters worse the right wingers there are nowhere as permanently online as the likes of SV. The result is that Sietch is mostly a dead site with little traffic.
Meanwhile SV is made up of commies who are all permanently online, who get off on moderating internet forums and as such don't just mod to keep the peace but to enforce orthodoxy.
I was a member for a while but I fucked off after the site was getting increasingly hostile to anything right of centre. I think my breaking point was the userbase cheering on Germany chasing after the 100+ year old admin stuff of the Nazi regime, even after the German government notably did not hold them accountable for 70 years.
I used to check the site once every month, praying that Hotpoint was going to come back and finish his SG/X-com crossover, but he never did.
Spacebattles "Right Wing PM" Debacle (Authors note: I originally intended to add this to the intro post but I felt like it would be better as its own post)
On July 16th 2019, a new account would purchase a membership which enabled them to create a PM Chain with an unlimited number of participants, in this chain, they sent a blog link to 365 active users raising serious allegations that the moderation team had been infiltrated by the far-right. The blog-post (link, archive) claimed that a secret chat group had been created with the website staffs for right-wing users with the ostensible purpose of instructing them on how to remain withing the sites fairly stringent rules on bigotry that was run by right-wing moderators. All hell broke loose, several of the moderators within the board, (such as Spartan303) resigned and formed The Sietch, and an investigation was made. You can read the Spacebattles side of it here.
There are far more on the blog-post and I do encourage reading them for a laugh. Take them with a healthy dose of skepticism however as it was proven that a good number of these, including ones which involved wishing rape on a user were fabrications.
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Now, that is the official history of what happened once it got revealed, but what about the PM Chain itself? How did it come to be?
As far as I can tell, from reading very conflicting reports by people with agendas, this is about what I have gathered about the actual history of the PM Chain, since there were apparently two of them.
Around 2015 - 2016, when Donald Trump made his run for President, and immediately after, the viciousness and divisiveness of the forum had reached its apex, and had begun taking a toll on the moderators who were trying to control it. It should be noted that while political discourse on the forum had never been particularly good, it seems to have gotten really bad there.
Unconfirmed, (but likely not false) rumors state that there were apparently communication between Liberal posters within the Whitehall forum and coordination between them to win debates. In addition, Conservative/ right-leaning posters had always been something of a minority and would constantly be dogpiled and brigaded on a regular basis.
One of the responses to this was to implement new and more stringent rules for the real world discussion forums; specifically NSFD, and Whitehall. These were implemented early 2017 after a fair bit of discussion earlier. Another response was the PM initiative.
While these new NSFD rules were set up to try and limit the poor behavior that was rampant in political debates it wouldn't do much to prevent right-wing debaters falling into rhetorical traps or being baited into breaking the rules as was a common problem. This of course made a lot of work for the Staff who had to enforce said rules.
A solution was to try and improve the overall level of debate by setting up a place where selected people could be given basic debating advice so they would not fall foul of the rules or make so many easy mistakes. Spartan303 was the brains behind this drive and it was not a politically motivated initiative. The goal was for three separate PM chains, one for Conservatives, one for Liberals, and one as a joint chain for both sides to test one another.
The Conservative one was initiated first as it was deemed the one which would offer the best results both for Staff and posters. It was approved by senior staff and began in late January 2017.
Spartan recruited a few Staff members including Peregry, Lightning Count, and LT_Ryguy to help him, those who were either Conservative or open to such points of view in order to build trust with the selected posters. The first wave of recruits was relatively small and an informal atmosphere was created.
The initial objective turned out to be more difficult than anticipated, the amount of time needed on both sides became prohibitive and efforts became sporadic over the course of the project. Overall results were not sufficient to effectively fight back and try to strengthen an alternate point of view in Whitehall. Conservative participation continued to diminish to its current low level. Certain threads remained entirely empty of different viewpoints and voices.
The group ended up becoming more of a social hangout. It was a place to chat and share opinions and views that could be debated without concerns of being labelled by speaking honestly of their concerns. As the only venue open for this and the increasing membership the PM became very large and fast moving, it became larger than some subforums and was enthusiastically embraced as a meeting place and hangout.
The PM had a very broad range of people and views, some of those participants did state views that were against SB forum rules, but not against general PM rules. One of the functions of the PM was to offer a place for people to vent their anger so they did not carry it elsewhere on the forums and direct at others.
Where behaviors or commentary went beyond a line it was confronted and challenged, PM members engaged and tried to find solutions to these problems. Sometimes with success, sometimes without.
The initial PM chain met its end after the user Odo made a suggestion that one of the mods should kill themselves. By that point it was clear the considerable efforts invested into trying to help him work through his anger had failed. A neutral member of staff assessed the situation and resolved that the overall task of helping improve Conservative debate had not succeeded. This particular PM was shut down and a new one designed to act purely as a social hang out with no mission brief was created instead.
The majority of content was conversational with some debating but mostly sharing stories about a huge array of subjects and experiences. It included discussions about SB, the culture there and the issues and complaints they had about it. It also included times when someone in a debate would request advice on how to proceed with a particular argument.
In terms of scandal it was underwhelming, the majority of opinions were little different to old SB in tone and color. It was ultimately why when the situation happened the opposition had to fake a bunch of screenshots, there just wasn’t anything really explosive. It was in actuality rather mundane, with maybe the occasional angry rant by a member of it.
In terms of scandal it was underwhelming, the majority of opinions were little different to old SB in tone and color. It was ultimately why when the situation happened the opposition had to fake a bunch of screenshots, there just wasn’t anything really explosive. It was in actuality rather mundane, with maybe the occasional angry rant by a member of it.
Probably because the point was less about any actual user involvement and more about the biggest libshits colluding with their favorite mods to shut down dissent. Much like with AlternateHistory or even KiwiFarms the userbase of the political section is a different kettle of fish to the rest of the site. The difference is that KiwiFarms has a owner who isn't a retard and who can tard wrangle the users into peace by just telling people to fuck off, while AH and SB/SV have faggot owners and mods who get off on being petty tyrants and enforcing orthodoxy.
On July 16th 2019, a new account would purchase a membership which enabled them to create a PM Chain with an unlimited number of participants, in this chain, they sent a blog link to 365 active users raising serious allegations that the moderation team had been infiltrated by the far-right.
Always with the projection.
I wonder if writing a story about a post-apocalyptic society where things eventually stabilize and traditional values come back (because there are no more lunatics with an agenda willing to castrate children and teenagers, and toxic feminism is no longer tolerated) would result you in getting a ban or not.
Not sure if this counts, but that webpage took its time to remove the tranny colors and return the logo to normal, as it took them until today, July 2nd, even though the sodomy month was finally over by then.
These sites would be a trillion times better if the mods weren't fucking fags. Imagine clicking on a thread, seeing some retard talk about how the feudal system is a failure and the protag should find a way to bring democracy to his mythical kingdom of fucken dragon-elves, and just telling that fucker to neck himself.
The amount of sperging and tears! It would be glorious. I fkn hate mods.
These sites would be a trillion times better if the mods weren't fucking fags. Imagine clicking on a thread, seeing some retard talk about how the feudal system is a failure and the protag should find a way to bring democracy to his mythical kingdom of fucken dragon-elves, and just telling that fucker to neck himself.
The amount of sperging and tears! It would be glorious. I fkn hate mods.
These sci-fi autists are some of the biggest psueds on the planet. Despite supposedly being intellectuals, they cannot understand how illiterate peasants struggling to just live are incapable of inventing gunpowder and semi-automatic weapons in the same timeframe. It weirdly and specifically reminds me of this retarded background NPC line in VTMB: "How did they microwave hotpockets in the old days?" The absurdity is the same and they may as well be their own brand of NPC. People in a primitive setting would not be able to form modern concepts. Even Greek democracy was the equivalent of an oligarchy, which may be the modern day depending on how you view things. Technology not advancing makes even more sense in a fantasy setting because they have fucking magic, which is almost always a science in of itself or far beyond anything technology could ever accomplish.
