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"Starship" explodes shortly after launch​

The unmanned "Starship" giant rocket of the US space company SpaceX has exploded during its first test flight. The largest and most powerful rocket ever built took off on Thursday from the SpaceX spaceport Starbase in Boca Chica in the US state of Texas. However, just over three minutes after launch, the rocket detonated, live footage showed.​
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At that point, the first booster stage called "Super Heavy" should have separated from the "Starship" space shuttle. SpaceX spoke on Twitter of a "rapid unplanned breakup prior to stage separation." "Teams will continue to evaluate data and work toward our next flight test," tech billionaire Elon Musk's company added. The launch was delayed by a few minutes: the countdown had been briefly interrupted to check some more details. Afterwards, the launch was released after all. Actually, the "Starship" of the private space company SpaceX of tech billionaire Elon Musk should have already taken off on Monday for a first short test flight. But that was postponed shortly before the planned launch because of a problem with a valve.

Enormous setback
The "Starship" rocket system - consisting of the roughly 70-meter-long "Super Heavy" booster and the roughly 50-meter-long upper stage, also called "Starship" - is intended to enable manned missions to the moon and Mars in the future. The "Starship" system is in itself designed so that the spacecraft and rocket can be reused after returning to Earth. The explosion, however, is an enormous setback for the initiative. The U.S. space agency NASA has selected "Starship" to fly humans to the moon for the first time in more than 50 years in the Artemis 3 mission at the end of 2025. Even flights to Mars should be possible with the rocket.

First attempt briefly halted
The launch of the 120-meter-high rocket from SpaceX's Starbase spaceport in Boca Chica was stopped on Monday less than ten minutes before the planned ignition. As a kind of dress rehearsal, however, the countdown continued until ten seconds before the originally planned launch time. The reason given for the abort was a technical problem with the pressure equalization on the most powerful space rocket ever built. Musk wrote on Twitter, apparently a valve had frozen. However, he said SpaceX had "learned a lot" from the launch attempt. It was only in February that almost all of the rocket's first stage engines had successfully ignited for the first time during a test in Boca Chica. Musk then declared that the 31 engines ignited in the test were "enough to reach orbit".

Explosion after first landing
Apart from the size and the associated possibility of transporting large loads, the reusability of all rocket components pursued by SpaceX is another central element of the "Starship" program. The declared goal is to significantly reduce the cost of operating spacecraft. SpaceX reported the first successful landing of a prototype in May 2021. Shortly thereafter, the explosion of the rocket made headlines. It was the third explosion within a few months - yet Musk remained convinced that the "Starship" rocket would soon be "safe enough" to transport people.

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Since last year, SpaceX has been trying to launch its spacecraft into orbit for the first time. At the beginning of the year, Musk had initially set a launch date of February or March - but at the same time made this dependent on the further course of testing. The schedule will be missed by at least a few weeks. A first private space mission is also planned for this year. The Japanese billionaire Yusaku Maezawa recently announced his intention to circumnavigate the moon in a "starship" together with eight artists. The moon will then also be the destination of a mission pursued jointly with NASA.

Central role for NASA moon program

NASA is currently planning to use "Starship" as a landing module in its Artemis program in 2025 at the earliest. The rocket is significantly larger and more powerful than NASA's SLS rocket, which the space agency plans to use to put astronauts into orbit around the moon from 2024.​
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After several weeks in space, the unmanned "Orion" capsule of NASA's Artemis 1 lunar mission returned to Earth in December

According to NASA plans, the "Starship" mission is dependent on the progress of the Artemis-2 mission. After the Artemis-1 mission, which ended in December with the return of an unmanned Orion space capsule to Earth, a manned orbit of the moon is now on the agenda. The next step will be to bring astronauts to the moon again with the "Starship". NASA put the last humans on the moon in 1972 with the Apollo 17 mission. The USA was the only country to put twelve astronauts on the moon with the Apollo missions between 1969 and 1972.

Space suits ready
Artemis 3 will be much more complex, according to NASA, combining the SLS "Orion" system with spacecraft built and flown by SpaceX. The NASA plan calls for a four-person "Orion" crew to dock in space with a SpaceX lander that will carry two astronauts to the lunar surface for nearly a week.

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According to NASA, an orbital fuel depot and a space tanker are required in addition to the Starship. The new space suits developed for the mission in collaboration with Axiom Space were unveiled by NASA in mid-March. In the "Starship" program, the moon is only the first stopover on the first manned mission to Mars, which Musk has already announced for 2029.
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I think the worst parts about the Space Shuttle project are:

1. I was a resource hog for a lot of other projects like more space stations and probes

2, It was kind of useless, because the whole thing was designed under the idea of having it as a backbone of the S.D.I. to deploy and maintain it which never happned

3. The USSR attempt at it, the Buran, was actually the one time the fucking Ruskies did something better. And the Buran ended up being abandoned and ignored.
If anyone is interested in further reading, Wikipedia has an interesting article on criticisms aimed at the shuttle.

Criticism of the Space Shuttle program:
Claims that NASA's Space Shuttle program failed to achieve its promised goals
 
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This was a successful test. The first cartwheel was actually intentional, they were going to spin the stages to get them to separate. The fact that it passed Max-Q (highest aerodynamic stress on the vehicle) first try and got to stage sep was very encouraging.

The only real downside I've seen is that they damaged the ground infrastructure pretty badly.
Well, they were expecting to not have much infrastructure left at all because they figured it would blow up just past the tower and not 30km away, so they're ahead of where they thought they would be, both with test data and needing to rebuild.
 
Their biggest "fingers crossed" item today was not destroying their launch pad.

The second rocket is already mostly built. It can launch on schedule now because they don't have to rebuild everything.

Main engine separation appears to have got them, and the first stage is supposed to spin out of the way, which seems to have worked, but it took the rest of the rocket with when it did.

SpaceX has a neat pic from below showing 6 main engines didn't fire and it still got up.

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This is really impressive. On first test it launched and reached altitude even with 6 engines disabled and it was really just the separation that failed.
If I was a rocket scientist I would probably have classified this as successful beyond any expectations.

People on twitter are completely insane. It was the first test launch of a highly experimental rocket prototype using a very new and experimental fuel for rockets. Jesus, the fact that it actually took off and not just exploded there and then on the pad is an enormous success.
 
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The Saturn V didn't appear out of nowhere, it was the result of many lessons learned from prior models including multiple failures. Even the Saturn V had a failure with Apollo 6.

The SpaceX Starship is nearly double the mass of the Saturn V and can carry a payload that is substantially larger, with proprietary engines and other newly-developed features. It's also a reusable rocket which adds its own design complexities. It will take years of further testing and development before there's a model fully suitable for use by NASA and private companies.

So bloody what? Yes Saturn V had predecessors - and so didn’t Starship? Still never did a Saturn V blow up and the size of the rocket is not all that important because by and large there isn’t much difference.

Don’t be impressed with “big” so much. I can tell you NASA had larger rockets they wanted to build and I’ll bet my bottom dollar Braun never would have seen them blow up - and that’s using technology that hardly used the computing power of a tenth of a Nintendo.

They did everything in their power to make sure this flight was a 100% positive result and it failed. This is after they checked and rechecked everything and it’s a disaster. It’s not so much progress as it is proof they don’t have the formula down and they are well short of the level needed for the top-tier stuff.

We aren’t talking about a stage falling to earth and not landing - the fucking rocket blew up.

Exactly how many failures do you think NASA is going to tolerate for Starship given that they want to put people and very secretive technology on the moon.

Elon had better make sure this is the last time this rocket model fails because another failure will put his confidence with NASA into serious doubt.

When it comes to astronauts for a lunar mission and the types of payloads they are talking about; an insurance policy just doesn’t fucking cut it.

And as for Mars? Shit; you’d better be prepared to gamble your life and everything you own and stand by your rocket because the government will ensure you rot in jail if you fuck them on a project like that.

Elons got to raise his game to near flawless because these projects they are offering demand that level of competence.
 
Even in clown world, there are still people doing glorious things. Pushing the envelope of what is possible. Musk is not only an American hero, but an international one.
Dude has zero interest in asteroid mining. He's not a hero and has no interest in the longterm, he's just LARPing.
 
So bloody what? Yes Saturn V had predecessors - and so didn’t Starship? Still never did a Saturn V blow up and the size of the rocket is not all that important because by and large there isn’t much difference.
NASA performed test fires of the Saturn V that identified major issues that needed to be resolved during the rocket's development. Except, they built immense dynamic test stands in which they could stand up Saturn Vs and subject them to mechanical and vibrational stresses, and static test stands where they could fire the boosters. And even then the Saturn V was not completely perfect, Apollo 6 has already been mentioned.


Why do you have such an intense emotional reaction to SpaceX simply firing off Falcon Heavy and Starship to gather real world data?

Edit: I conflated the static and dynamic test stands, corrected.
 
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The SpaceX Starship is nearly double the mass of the Saturn V and can carry a payload that is substantially larger, with proprietary engines and other newly-developed features. It's also a reusable rocket which adds its own design complexities. It will take years of further testing and development before there's a model fully suitable for use by NASA and private companies.
For anyone not in the know here's an idea of the scale we're dealing with.
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Saturn 5, statship, falcon heavy(?)
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Because I'm not 100% on what's changed from concept to launch here's a different comparison. BFR is the name that Starship was going to go by.
 
All these retards like Wu going after Elon because a brand new experimental rocket exploded should really look into the history of rocketry before spouting off looking for "gotchas". It is extremely common for new rockets to have catastrophic failures, including explosions. The Saturn series of rockets was one of the safest and most successful rocket series in NASA history, with the only recorded failure involving a Saturn rocket being Apollo 13, and that had nothing to do with the launch vehicle itself but the orbiter. Even the Space Shuttle had two explosions, on involving the booster and one involving the orbiter. Even as far advanced as rocket science is today, we still have failure and have to work the kinks out. Russia recently tested their new Satan II ICBM and it had a massive failure. This is how you work out the bugs and make a reliable vehicle.
 
Dude has zero interest in asteroid mining. He's not a hero and has no interest in the longterm, he's just LARPing.
Guy's been running the company for what, over a decade at this point and at least has an active plan to continue to be profitable even if everyone using their rocket services drops out for some reason and you're saying he's not interested in the long term now? I think his le epic mars future is somewhat of a LARP but he probably actually also believes in it. His rocket tech though I don't see him giving up on any time soon and the progress he's made blows his competitors out of the water even if we're essentially just at the point where his rockets are going to be as capable of the payload that the saturn program had.

In fact this sums up 90% of this thread.
There are a lot of reasons to call Elon out but the launch test of their largest rocket by far failing after doing what they already wanted it to do is not one of them. Should Elon Derangement Syndrome be a thing?
 
largest rocket by far failing after doing what they already wanted it to do is not one of them
Yes lets just keep reinventing the exploding wheel. Fine call it derangement syndrome if you wish but if you are happy with absolute lack of progress and long list of lies then you Might Be Coping.
 
Yes lets just keep reinventing the exploding wheel. Fine call it derangement syndrome if you wish but if you are happy with absolute lack of progress and long list of lies then you Might Be Coping.
Saturn 5's didn't land themselves back, all that money was just wasted every launch besides the capsule. And they're doing it with an engine layout like the soviet N1 which famously failed multiple times without getting nearly as far off the launchpad. Not even comparable to how the V was engineered.
 
I think his le epic mars future is somewhat of a LARP but he probably actually also believes in it.
Mars is a fucking meme yeah, terraforming an entire planet instead of building modular O'Neill cylinders is a gargantuan waste of resources. Getting in and out of orbit is expensive, so I don't understand the apprehension behind getting into orbit and staying there—a proper ISRU infrastructure makes space industry as cheap or cheaper than terrestrial construction and manufacturing.
 
Mars is a fucking meme yeah,
Yep, since Mars' core is dead there is no protection from solar winds and cosmic radiation so its a complete waste of time to terraform since any sliver of atmosphere you manage to create will be stripped off the next time the Sun farts.
 
They could have been blown out by too much pressure, or something could be wrong with fuel delivery. Not sure what their ignition system is, though.

Russia uses giant wooden matches to light the Soyuz rockets because their technology is kind of primitive, but it works well enough. It's worked since the 1950s, why change?
Shouldn’t Elon use a flamethrower to ignite the engines, just to stay in character?
 
Mars is a fucking meme yeah, terraforming an entire planet instead of building modular O'Neill cylinders is a gargantuan waste of resources. Getting in and out of orbit is expensive, so I don't understand the apprehension behind getting into orbit and staying there—a proper ISRU infrastructure makes space industry as cheap or cheaper than terrestrial construction and manufacturing.
You don't have to terraform, you can build structures underground, and then on the surface using planet's own materials.
 
You don't have to terraform, you can build structures underground, and then on the surface using planet's own materials.
It's still a gravity well+atmosphere and thus a huge waste of propellant. Musk has also expressed interest in terraforming, that's why I mentioned it.
 
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