Speedrunning Thread (Take 2) - GOTTA GO FAST

Tanner Glass said:
You're right, but for context RWhiteGoose is known as a "double agent" in the speedrunning community. Some times he's calm, personable, collected, and a "nice" guy and other times he's explosive and toxic. He's also someone who exposes cheaters in the community as well as someone who cheats in the community.

Basically, anyone that's a fan of his knows this teeter-tottering is business as usual.
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So what you're saying is, he potentially has bipolar disorder?
 
GraniteRode said:
So what you're saying is, he potentially has bipolar disorder?
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I don't know if I'd say that, just that with as small of a community that speedrunning is he still manages to change "sides" pretty frequently. I'm not an expert on RWhiteGoose or speedrunning but here's what I know about him.

- He frequently hates speedrunning and speedrunners; think it's garbage in a freefall and a waste of time. He himself, is a speedrunner.
- He hates people who cheat in speedruns; although he himself has submitted cheat times to speedrun.com "as a goof, to see if I could".
- Doesn't like GDQ, thinks it's trash but will still go to it (although not anymore, looks like). He's also tangentially involved with the "Oceanside" fiasco as well.

I would put him more into a category of "Old school speedrunner" who's frustrated there's nowhere for him to go. The Speedrunning community (and GDQ by osmosis) was a lot different 5 or even 10 years ago and it doesn't seem like he wants to adapt to the new PC culture of it. The only avenues for speedrunners are twitch streamers (which is pretty PC, but also part of the GDQ ecosystem) or being sponsored (for speedrunners, this is nearly impossible. I can only think of one sponsored speedrunner; Calebhart). Not only that but watching what the community has become and what people think of it now.

Really, there isn't a better metaphor for the speedrunning community than Cosmo/Narscissa Wright. A few years back it was just a nerdy but likable kid playing Zelda and fast forward to today it's a mentally unhinged tranny yelling nonsense into a webcam for six hours.
 
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Tanner Glass said:
Really, there isn't a better metaphor for the speedrunning community than Cosmo/Narscissa Wright. A few years back it was just a nerdy but likable kid playing Zelda and fast forward to today it's a mentally unhinged tranny yelling nonsense into a webcam for six hours.
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It's sad in a way. I used to really look forward to GDQ marathons, but I couldn't watch this year's AGDQ at all, hardly. It's like all the fun/character has been stripped away from it.
 
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bolcan said:
It's sad in a way. I used to really look forward to GDQ marathons, but I couldn't watch this year's AGDQ at all, hardly. It's like all the fun/character has been stripped away from it.
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This is what happens when gaming and anime events get popular and enough of the added internal staffing become infiltrated with progressive fucknuggets. Everything has to be PC and family-friendly, even if it just started as a group of adult nerds wanting to have fun with their hobbies and share with a once niche community. Look at similar events and you'll find the same progression.

GDQ suffers from wanting to go against the perception that gamers are gatekeeping jerks, and thus opens the floodgates for every exceptional individual to jump onto. In doing this, and actually going so far as to cater to them more than the oldschool normie runners, they've completely gutted the fun atmosphere that made the event enjoyable to watch beyond just the one or two games people might know and want to tune in for. Now it's just another charity event.
 
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Tanner Glass said:
- He frequently hates speedrunning and speedrunners; think it's garbage in a freefall and a waste of time. He himself, is a speedrunner.
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Yeah, but this allowed him to put out the most succinct breakdown of Speedrunning in existence.


I run a few games just for fun, and he's right. It's such a joke to obsessively play sections of games or entire games trying to pull one second off your time and think that what you do is in anyway important. You're just chasing the dragon like he says and if you don't realize it, you turn into whatever Cosmo became.

Just my opinion though.
 
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The 8 of Spades said:
Yeah, but this allowed him to put out the most succinct breakdown of Speedrunning in existence.


I run a few games just for fun, and he's right. It's such a joke to obsessively play sections of games or entire games trying to pull one second off your time and think that what you do is in anyway important. You're just chasing the dragon like he says and if you don't realize it, you turn into whatever Cosmo became.

Just my opinion though.
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Personally I don't think he's wrong, just pointing out the inconsistency of him being aware of how bad speedrunning is as a community, as a hobby, and as a profession yet still engaging in it. It has to be upsetting for him to see what speedrunning started as and to have invested emotionally for years into it for it to turn out like this must be massively disenfranchising.

If I were him, I would break out of the speedrun community and just be a "normal" streamer as he's fun enough to stand out from the pack. Speedrunning and sucking up to GDQ haven't done much for him in terms of his audience as he's sub 30k followers after many years and several famous/infamous events. Looking at ProtoMagicalGirl who is a newer and shittier runner who was given a god-tier push by SGDQ/AGDQ only has 5k; so even if he played ball and curbed his behavior there isn't much of an audience to gain from it.
 
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GDQ is not the whole of, or even most of, the community. It still ultimately comes down to you doing a solitary task for your own personal benefit and the way other people act should not change that.

Now maybe he dislikes the drama aspect of the community, but he is a serial shit stirrer, himself, so I don't put too much stock in that.
 
Lou Wrong said:
GDQ is not the whole of, or even most of, the community. It still ultimately comes down to you doing a solitary task for your own personal benefit and the way other people act should not change that.

Now maybe he dislikes the drama aspect of the community, but he is a serial shit stirrer, himself, so I don't put too much stock in that.
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I'd don't disagree, but it's a little bit more complex than that.

GDQ isn't "real speedrunning" nor is it representative of the community (at least not anymore). However, it's far-and-away the largest speedrun event by a tremendous margin which means to most people, the several million people that check it out each year, it is the entirety of the community. There's the "real" speedrun community but they're very small, not many people watch or participate in speedruns.

I don't think RWhiteGoose hates drama, I think he loves it. However, as he is trying to be a successful speedrunner he's taking stock of what he feels he needs to do to grow professionally. In particular Speedrunning is very PC right now because GDQ is very PC and has been for years. If you want to try and grow that audience you have to appeal to that event and those people. He hasn't been immensity successful doing it how he's been doing it so it's good that he's looking to take a new approach - I just don't think it's the right approach.
 
Goose and his content are now indefinitely banned from r/speedrun.
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Intelligent Calcium said:
Goose and his content are now indefinitely banned from r/speedrun.
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Ah, Reddit. Always assuming that anyone gives a fuck about their proclamations of virtue and masturbatory self aggrandizing.

>"Our values" - because of course everyone in the sub is of the exact same mindset
>"High profile and multifaceted case" - You're not fucking lawyers, there's no fucking "case" Sperging Victim Unit.
>"That doesn't mean that pressing issues shouldn't be brought to everyone's attention, in fact we encourage (emphasis mine) the opposite" - Report your neighbors, big brother is watching!
>"...Are proud of how everyone stepped in and took it upon yourself" - That was a great dogpile guys, who's next?

>"The speed running Community has matured to become much more than a bunch of people trying to go fast" - :story:
 
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So basically what I'm hearing is the dude is a hypocritical shitstirrer but since he doesn't like GDQ we're gonna pretend he's some put upon Morally Upstanding Lad who Did Not Do Anything.

Like, I get GDQ sucks and agree wholeheartedly but let's not pretend the clock isn't stopped here.

EDIT: Wwwwwwhoops missed the r/speedrunning ban.
 
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So now /r/speedrunning is just banning people for having differing opinions? Since when did Speedrunning become Big Brother? People have differing opinions, not everyone is going to cater to your tiny little personal box you put the world in. The notion of "wrongthink" needs to stop. It's not wrong to have a different opinion from other people.
 
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Goose is easy to understand. He's a guy who likes speed running and trolling people. He's switching sides on things because he enjoys the reaction and wants to keep people flinging shit.

Speedrunning has been co opted as a way for people to validate their time wasting. It's people wanting to do nothing but play games but still feel good. Now MMOs are dead there is nothing to grind and get a ding from, speedrunning fulfills this role. You can see it in how many new releases get speedrun day 1. No time to digest the game or to enjoy it, just got to finish it as fast as possible. It warps a community discovering things and trying to understand the game to beating a dead horse until it's a puddle and some autist is telling his mom he's a champion
 
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wildautism said:
Goose is easy to understand. He's a guy who likes speed running and trolling people. He's switching sides on things because he enjoys the reaction and wants to keep people flinging shit.

Speedrunning has been co opted as a way for people to validate their time wasting. It's people wanting to do nothing but play games but still feel good. Now MMOs are dead there is nothing to grind and get a ding from, speedrunning fulfills this role. You can see it in how many new releases get speedrun day 1. No time to digest the game or to enjoy it, just got to finish it as fast as possible. It warps a community discovering things and trying to understand the game to beating a dead horse until it's a puddle and some autist is telling his mom he's a champion
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I mean he, himself, is still a speedrunner. This is a dude going "man why is everyone cutting their nuts off what cucks" while he uses a slightly smaller knife than everyone else.
 
Something I find incredible is that a British gaming channel called Yogscast is doing a Christmas charity fundraiser and they've raised as much money in four days as SGDQ 2018 did across the entire event with like a third of the viewers and without a hefty subsidy from Amazon via Twitch Prime (the only reason SGDQ 2018 broke its donation record).

Viewership and social media engagement was also down at the last event. I think GDQ has pretty clearly capped out and is now in a glacial decline.
 
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The Fatriarchy said:
On that note, GDQ hardly actually gets anything in donations from actual singular human beings anymore when you think about it. All the partnerships and sponsorships and shitships artificially inflate the amount actually raised, and they keep adding more of those every year.
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The vast majority of the revenue still comes from donations. They only really get sponsor revenue from The Yetee (t-shirts) and occasionally Humble Bundle. The other sponsors donate services which reduce overhead. If you toss in Twitch Prime and bits it adds up, but it's still not the majority by far.
 
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