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LolRaccoon said:
I have been debating whether or not to read "The Sandman" for a few years, and now when I finally decide to give it a shot, news comes out about him being a sex pest. Do I even bother reading it at this point?
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I read it a few months back after hearing how great it supposedly was for years and was none too impressed. To be fair, I tend to hate almost every comic I read no matter when it was published, but this one in particular felt like proto-woke 90s cringe with obligatory lezbeans, tranny defending, "progressive" values in general being shoved down your throat in a way that seemed obnoxious for what was supposed to be a modern dark fantasy type of story, and cheesy 90s mall goth affectations. If Hot Topic or Spencers had an official comic it'd be The Sandman. Depending on your tolerance for those types of things, you might still like it.
 
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Mississippi Motorboater said:
Neal Gaiman's open marriage fell apart last year, and now a horde of women came out to decry him as a creep in spite of all of his pretenses about being some morally-superior new age intellectual.

Holy shit, I think he's on track to become the next Alen Moore-level living meme of a human being.
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Sad part is nobody will consider either to be living memes and theyll still be respected/relevant within the mediasphere, Moore was still relevant after his child porn escapades till he ended up in hermithood. Imagine that.
 
Georgio Cocklord said:
Sad part is nobody will consider either to be living memes and theyll still be respected/relevant within the mediasphere, Moore was still relevant after his child porn escapades till he ended up in hermithood. Imagine that.
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True. But I can still have a good chuckle as their personal lives spiral into disaster, and their fans attempt to cope with it. Already on Reddit, you can see Gaiman Fanboys racing to absolve him of all blame, and even go as far as to slander the victims that came forward with harassment accounts.

They're desperate to imagine Gaiman as some unblemished saint of morality, and now this story has come about lol
 
Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
I really need to read the comic adaptions of Gaiman's Norse Mythology book. I really enjoyed the novel and the fact that Mike Mignola draws some of it makes it something I need to read.
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I bought all of it and have never opened em I wanted to read the novel first but totally forgot about both
ScamL Likely said:
I read it a few months back after hearing how great it supposedly was for years and was none too impressed. To be fair, I tend to hate almost every comic I read no matter when it was published, but this one in particular felt like proto-woke 90s cringe with obligatory lezbeans, tranny defending, "progressive" values in general being shoved down your throat in a way that seemed obnoxious for what was supposed to be a modern dark fantasy type of story, and cheesy 90s mall goth affectations. If Hot Topic or Spencers had an official comic it'd be The Sandman. Depending on your tolerance for those types of things, you might still like it.
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Sandman is maybe the only series I've ever read that I didn't like much while reading it but the second to last arc I retroactively fell in love with the book. I've tried to reread it though and basically cant. The thing about all the proto woke shit is it didn't bother me at all, but I read it as a teenager long before that shit became every piece of media ever like it is today. It would drive me up a wall now.

back then it kinda added to the edginess of it because stuff like that wasn't super common to come across (for me at least) but really if you're an adult and not 15 I wouldn't recommend sandman at this point. It's outdated and pretty corny by today's standards. It's good great stuff in there but if you're sick of today's progressive bullshit in everything its the last old comic to read because it feels like that's where it started.

and of course gaiman is a sex pest. All these male feminist progressive dudes are only that to get laid. and for an author who I generally like his work he's got too much prestige from women for stuff he's written to not just be a guy who expects every woman has to sleep with him based on that. its a house of cards you see fall with literally every single one of these progressive feminist male writers unless they're actually just fags. and some of them end up turning out to be rapists too.
 
el bandito loco said:
Sandman is maybe the only series I've ever read that I didn't like much while reading it but the second to last arc I retroactively fell in love with the book. I've tried to reread it though and basically cant. The thing about all the proto woke shit is it didn't bother me at all, but I read it as a teenager long before that shit became every piece of media ever like it is today. It would drive me up a wall now.

back then it kinda added to the edginess of it because stuff like that wasn't super common to come across (for me at least) but really if you're an adult and not 15 I wouldn't recommend sandman at this point. It's outdated and pretty corny by today's standards. It's good great stuff in there but if you're sick of today's progressive bullshit in everything its the last old comic to read because it feels like that's where it started.

and of course gaiman is a sex pest. All these male feminist progressive dudes are only that to get laid. and for an author who I generally like his work he's got too much prestige from women for stuff he's written to not just be a guy who expects every woman has to sleep with him based on that. its a house of cards you see fall with literally every single one of these progressive feminist male writers unless they're actually just fags. and some of them end up turning out to be rapists too.
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From what I understand it was more of a subculture in the 90s particularly centered around hyper-progressive university cliques. On that scale it was just small and quaint enough to write off but now that the retarded shit they spew is supposedly mainstream it's a million times more insufferable because they expect you to take it seriously.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
I wonder how they'll poz Jack and taint the legacy of the terrific '90s Starman saga. Seriously, I don't think it's a question of 'if' but 'how'. Robison hasn't really put out anything good since he helped relaunch the JSA with Geoff Johns.
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I get the feeling it'd just wind up with Jack being a hipster dad and the kid being like 5 years old and asking his dad what Superman was like.

Er. . . hopefully. . . right?

Please, there's so much potential for a heartwarming series in the same way that Super Sons was. Hell, just give me more generic fun stuff from the '90s.
 
Do you think Garth Ennis seethes internally every day seeing mainstream media be more receptive to The Boys tv show and Invincible as both a show and a comic series, while both critics and readers alike shit on his edgy le hero bad comic?
Yes, I know that the comic is more than just "le hero bad XDDD", given how well Hughie, Butcher, Starlight and James Stillwell are written. But some good moments in the comic don't justify its atrocious pacing, sometimes downright terrible storytelling (Black Noir twist anyone) and most of the comic being "HAHA HERO BAD LOOK HE PISSES HIMSELF LOOK HES A PEDOPHILE LOOK HES A TRANNY". Having some good moments and having characters at least react in character to these situations do not change nor outweight the fact these problems exist, and that's why The Boys is still a retarded manifesto.
 
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Diggus Bickus said:
Do you think Garth Ennis seethes internally every day seeing mainstream media be more receptive to The Boys tv show and Invincible as both a show and a comic series, while both critics and readers alike shit on his edgy le hero bad comic?
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I think that Garth Ennis sees what they cheer for and realises that their boos mean nothing. The Boys nosedives after season 1 and Invincible, aside from the voice cast, doesn't have anything that puts it above Spectacular Spider-Man or the first two seasons of Young Justice.
 
Came across this, randomly, a "gender-swapped" take by Gray Morrow of his origin story for a comic revamp of Archie Comics' vigilante The Black Hood back in 1975 or so. Morrow was the editor then of what was supposed to be Archie relaunching it's old superheroes on the Red Circle comics line, but it didn't go through at the time. I vaguely recall coming across an issue of Heavy Metal magazine that this reworking was in, I found out it published in 1979 because Morrow thought Archie was never going to publish his Black Hood work. But those stories did start getting published Archie Comics "Super Hero Comics Digest Magazine". Same basic set-up though the Black Hood origin but it is somewhat more downbeat in tone. Eventually the Black Hood would return in the early 80s with a short lived "Black Hood" book from when Archie made an attempt to revive and revamp its superheroes like The Mighty Crusaders, the Shield, and so on.

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I found that story posted here at this blog, along with the second story to appear in the digest comic, "Life's Not Like A Comic Book", scribed by Morrow, art credited to Neal Adams and Dick Giordano

If You Blinked You Missed: The Black Hood

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Here's something interesting: Robo Force has a new comic. It's part of something called the Nacelleverse, which is also going to have Power Lords, Sectaurs, and Biker Mice from Mars comics. Pretty neat.
 
Diggus Bickus said:
Do you think Garth Ennis seethes internally every day seeing mainstream media be more receptive to The Boys tv show and Invincible as both a show and a comic series, while both critics and readers alike shit on his edgy le hero bad comic?
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I follow Darrick Robertson (the artist) on twitter and during the first season, and shortly after, he was pissed at all the people who said it was better than the comic. After a while he got over it, but I think because he realized people meant it was better written than the comic and no one was critiquing his artwork. But I personally will.

Part of the reason Preacher, Hitman and even The Pro work is because they're drawn in simple, cartoony styles. This makes the absurd moments funny, even when horrible shit is happening. And Darrick is capable of this, he did it for Transmetropolitan. The problem is Darrick stopped doing that art style after Transmetropolitan ended and came to Marvel with a grittier style that worked on Wolverine, Fury, Punisher MAX Born, and other stuff like that.

It was also the style he brought to The Boys and that was part of what killed the comic, for me at least. Hughie dancing with his girlfriend, only for her to explode and he's just holding her arms, was meant to be so absurd it was funny, but with Darrick's artwork it just looks horrifying. Same with a bunch of other moments that John Mcrea, Steve Dillon, Stephen Pugh or Amanda Conner would have made funny by drawing them simple and over the top, Darrick made them too realistic looking to be funny.

Of course, more suitable artwork wouldn't have saved that book, but it could have helped.
 
The Boys comic works in a way the show doesnt if you view it as a series of cumtown bits, some of the ideas are unironically hilarious. Whereas the show is a series of safe-edgy SNL bits
 
Arthur Morgan said:
I follow Darrick Robertson (the artist) on twitter and during the first season, and shortly after, he was pissed at all the people who said it was better than the comic. After a while he got over it, but I think because he realized people meant it was better written than the comic and no one was critiquing his artwork. But I personally will.

Part of the reason Preacher, Hitman and even The Pro work is because they're drawn in simple, cartoony styles. This makes the absurd moments funny, even when horrible shit is happening. And Darrick is capable of this, he did it for Transmetropolitan. The problem is Darrick stopped doing that art style after Transmetropolitan ended and came to Marvel with a grittier style that worked on Wolverine, Fury, Punisher MAX Born, and other stuff like that.

It was also the style he brought to The Boys and that was part of what killed the comic, for me at least. Hughie dancing with his girlfriend, only for her to explode and he's just holding her arms, was meant to be so absurd it was funny, but with Darrick's artwork it just looks horrifying. Same with a bunch of other moments that John Mcrea, Steve Dillon, Stephen Pugh or Amanda Conner would have made funny by drawing them simple and over the top, Darrick made them too realistic looking to be funny.

Of course, more suitable artwork wouldn't have saved that book, but it could have helped.
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Some artists just aren't the right choice for a book
 
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