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ArthuriusMartyrius said:
Iceman getting turned gay was the worst thing to ever happen to his character. Not just because it's a dumb retcon but because it led to a string of hacks writing him as the most unlikable cunt on the planet.
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Also, it's hilarious that it was meant to pander to the SJW crowd, but the way Bendis did it offended them so much they hated him for it.

In case anyone didn't read the comic, or see some panels on tumblr, one of the girls reads his mind to make sure he's the real Bobby Drake and then squeals out "Bobby, you're gay?" in front of everyone because she's so shocked by it. But outing someone without their consent is a big no no and so Bendis had to die in a fire for his sin. Also you had other people screeching biphobia because Bobby had relationships with women in the past, making it seem like Bendis thinks the gays can just decide to be attracted to women.

Bet he's glad no one actually reads comics and he was able to jump to DC without issue.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
Also, it's hilarious that it was meant to pander to the SJW crowd, but the way Bendis did it offended them so much they hated him for it.

In case anyone didn't read the comic, or see some panels on tumblr, one of the girls reads his mind to make sure he's the real Bobby Drake and then squeals out "Bobby, you're gay?" in front of everyone because she's so shocked by it. But outing someone without their consent is a big no no and so Bendis had to die in a fire for his sin. Also you had other people screeching biphobia because Bobby had relationships with women in the past, making it seem like Bendis thinks the gays can just decide to be attracted to women.

Bet he's glad no one actually reads comics and he was able to jump to DC without issue.
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Yeah I remember people complaining about "bi erasure" with Bobby. Although truth be told I think it's probably better that Bendis went full gay instead of "oh yeah Bobby also likes dick BTW" because nothing pisses me off more than hacks taking established characters and making them take it in the ass on the side in addition to being straight and then you have a legion of faggots jumping you whenever you point out how dumb it is because "fluid" sexuality or something. At least with this crap nobody can defend it as anything other than absolutely shitting on Bobby's entire character.

An example I remember recently is reading a pretty decent-ish Warhammer 40K fanfic where the writer out of nowhere decides to have the God-Emperor casually mention having a gay fling with freaking Enkidu. Because obviously a nigh-immortal super-human can't be constrained to boring old normal attraction. But then again fanfic so eh.
 
Just curious, what is the general opinion on Todd McFarlene?

I'm at the point where he was working on Spider-Man, and my inexperienced comic reader mind thinks his stuff is really good.

Is that actually a garbage take or?
 
McFarlane's Infinity Inc, Hulk, and Amazing run is great but it's filtered through the fact that Roy Thomas, Peter David, and David Michelinie had a tight leash on Todd's more crazy flights of fancy.

Adjectiveless Spider-Man was editorial trying to keep Todd happy because he wanted more horror driven Spidey stories in Amazing as far as wanting a large say over the writing of the book, which is why Adjectiveless Spider-Man was a glorified horror book. Even then, editorial had to reign him in somewhat and gave some of his more insane ideas (Venom dragging Peter to a desert island to try and kill him in a homage to Predator, Harry Osborn going evil) to other writers who wouldn't fuck up the ideas. And his Wolverine/Spidey team-up arc, Perception, can be seen as a sort of proto-Spawn story given how it features child murder, corrupt cops, and other trademarks of Spawn.

As for Spawn; ignoring the Tiffany/Angela/Gaiman shit, it starts out one of the stronger Image launch books (partly because McFarlane got it out on time) but McFarlane was all about the mystery box shit and by the time he started paying off the mystery box shit, people had stopped reading the book for the most part. And his insane obsession with Ashley Wood didn't help anything either.

Arthur Morgan said:
Also, it's hilarious that it was meant to pander to the SJW crowd, but the way Bendis did it offended them so much they hated him for it.
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It was worse than that.

Bendis's X-Men run was so reviled and so devoid of anything "permanent" mark leaving-wise (the only thing of note and value he did was introduce a new Changeling/Morph that resembled the 90s Cartoon Morph), that him making Bobby gay and quadrupling down on Bobby being gay by making damn sure adult Bobby would be gay too, was to basically irrevocably fuck the character so no one can change him back and basically make that his lasting "legacy" for the X-Men to live on long after he as gone.

Also, the SJW crowd and the SJW crowd of Comic Book Resources in particular, LOVED that Bobby was gay and that was a major issue during Comicsgate, being how Bendis raped Bobby and turned him gay and how Marvel editorial was stead fast REFUSING to fucking turn him straight again purely to "own the chuds". Especially since it was explicitly clear that Teen Jean (who spent the entire Bendis run mindraping people and right) MINDRAPED Teen AND Adult Bobby gay.

The closest to an apologia was when Sina Grace, in an unpublished issue of Iceman that got repurposed as a special under the Uncanny X-Men branding when Iceman got canceled a SECOND TIME, had adult Jean "apologize for outing Bobby" against his will when Bobby first met the recently resurrected Jean as a lateral move to try and negate future writers from de-gaying Bobby via the brainwashing saving throw....
 
MirrorNoir said:
Hamas run on Wolverine is pretty well loved. Claremont's earlier "Terry and the Pirates" fanfic with Logan subbed in stuff at the start of the Wolverine series is widely reviled and pretty much everything from when Claremont got fired from the book to when Hama took over is crappy filler.

Hama, for better or worse, wrote a decent fan service Wolverine series that was full of what people wanted: Logan hanging with the X-Men, fighting Sabretooth and ninjas, exploring his origin once Weapon X came out, and building on the idea of Logan growing as a character via hardshp (losing his metal skeleton, Mariko's death, finding out his relationship with Silver Fox was a lie and they were never lovers).
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Hama like Frank Miller is one of those guys who rips off manga, heavily. Also one of the first generation of American lone wolf and cub fans which is nice. That's one of the reasons why his gi Joe and Wolverine stuff is pretty good.
Kerr Avon said:
Shamballa is a must and it was recently reprinted in that Essentials line.

Also one thing that 2000AD does that none of the Amerimutt publishers do is their digital stuff isn't locked to their app

You can download a drm free PDF or CBZ from the site to the device of your choice.

Also the Dredd & 2000AD general stuff pops up at least twice a year on Humble Bundle
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One of the problems I have with the whole download thing is the file sizes are getting massive, especially the collections books. Animal man omnibus 1 is around 350 mb at minimum for a 200 page book, saga of swamp thing is around 400 mb for a similar size, the 2000 ad collections be it the case files format or the essentials format are like 250-400 mb each. I don't like how the sizes for everything is constantly increasing, seems pretty stupid but for movies and comic books it feels especially egregious. These are not 4k scans, they're like 720 1080p scans and a cbr/cbz is just a renamed zip file of images, 200 images should maximum amount to like 230 mb give or take. 400 mb and beyond seems ridiculous to consider with some of the 500 page books going upto 1 gb. I want to go back to the viz media direct scan releases for dragon ball and urusei yatsura, each volume was around 80 mb with 250 pages on average.
 
A Hot Potato said:
In fact, fuck alot of the 70's Spider-Man comics, I struggled to get through this shit.
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Spider-Man is like X-Men. Both titles have a lot of trash issues and storylines but too many fanboys eat it up anyway and will defend almost anything. There are only a few eras of both titles fanboys will let you criticize.
 
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Not super knowledgeable about the big two or capeshit, but this applies to any comic.

A common issue in comics: lettering and speech bubbles.
I’ve seen poorly drawn comics with fantastic letting/speech bubbles (sometimes all you need is consistency and neatness) and those two things alone elevated the overall look and tone of the entire piece. It made the quality of the art feel more intentional than a lack of skill.

I’ve also seen amazing art with poor production/layout. The first thing I noticed were the horribly done digital speech balloons. Robotic, awkward, poorly slapped over the gorgeous tapestry of artwork beneath it like a cum stain on Marilyn Monroe’s dress.
Do not think because you can draw, that layout and production skills are an afterthought. You will not get away with it. It’s dragged down several comics drawn by legitimate talent into the depths of “obnoxiously ironic shitty post-modern hipster” art you seen in social justice spaces, or internet art collectives. (Or… internet “‘zines”.)

Most of the poor lettering/speech bubbles encountered have almost all been shitty digital “comic book” balloon templates with fonts so default and recognizable it screams to the reader you don’t know what you’re doing, and that you’re publishing your comic from an 80s commodore. Please, stop. I’m begging you.

If you’re still too fucking lazy to not use a computer to do the lettering, at least draw the balloons in. And make sure the font you use matches the comic it’s in! It’s not fucking rocket science! If you have enough skills and intuition to draw the picture (and you read a lot of comics, so… come on, man. Really?) you can pick out a suitable font for your piece. Comic book font in a comic is the comic sans of graphic design. But worse. People are overreacting to comic sans and under-reacting to the comic book font.

Even the spacing of each line and letter, shape of the balloon, placement, etc. are a just as much of the art itself as the subjects in it. The words in your story matter just as much as the visual elements that represent them. Making the two blend together are a skill needed in comics, but people using the templates from the 2004 edition of Photoshop aren’t ready to learn this, apparently.

Ok, that's it. Carry on.
 
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Hot take time.

Mike Mignola is barely passable as a story teller and even less so as an artist. His strength is creating likable characters, but struggles to write interesting stories that make me invested in those characters. Couple that with his thoroughly mediocre art, and you have a legit GREAT character, but only one or maybe two stories that are more interesting than watching paint dry.

Del Toro was the best thing to happen to Hellboy, and returning control to Mignola's mitts gave us the unwatchable 2019 movie and the upcoming abortion based on The Crooked Man.
 
ChampFantana said:
Hot take time.

Mike Mignola is barely passable as a story teller and even less so as an artist. His strength is creating likable characters, but struggles to write interesting stories that make me invested in those characters. Couple that with his thoroughly mediocre art, and you have a legit GREAT character, but only one or maybe two stories that are more interesting than watching paint dry.

Del Toro was the best thing to happen to Hellboy, and returning control to Mignola's mitts gave us the unwatchable 2019 movie and the upcoming abortion based on The Crooked Man.
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Hellboy was fine, but making him the literal anti-anti-Christ was dumb. Mignola’s strength as an artist was his shading and composition. His anatomy was always cartoonish, but he got lazy as he got older.
I’ve been a fan since the 2000’s and the real issue is that big dramatic bs never really was Hellboy, the series was basically Hellboy having to shoot someone wanting to fulfill a prophecy and it breaking due to their machinations.

I think the movies were carried by Ron Perlman. Del Toro has good taste in art design, but he’s a terrible storyteller and he leans heavily on half-assing cliches that he doesn’t feel comfortable subverting.
The funniest part of Hellboy is that he’s not sold as a top secret monster, he’s just a government investigator who actually does his job.
 
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Scream Aim Fire said:
This is a bit late, but... has anyone ever taken a look at that Infidel comic book, by Pornsak Pichetshote and Aaron Campbell?

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Apparently, it's supposed to be about Muslims living in New York, dealing with the fallout of the 9/11 attacks, i.e., racism and such. Also, evil ghosts get involved somehow.

Has anyone here given it a look, and know more about it? Cause I don't have much of a clue, really.
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seems interesting. im a MIC hater so a comic book talking about racism suddenly wins me over when it's about the war on terror lol
A Grey Cat said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=bOkQxPvvj7Y
and nothing of value was lost. Though don't get your hopes up of her staying dead. My guess is marvel did this thinking it'd get people to miss her and want her back. Imagine the shock they're in for when they see people wishing this aray skank to rest in pieces.


Rest in pieces ms marvel...dead and 4 gotten
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she is such a surreal character. making a fangirl sperg a superhero just shows how creepy these companies get with hypertargeting the worst people

anyway this brings me onto a similar topic, i remember watching some fat nerd apologize for saying he wanted to kill off gwen in his hypothetical spiderman story because it doesnt give her enough agency or whatever. i feel like this kind of mindset has gotten more and more common and it's a mindset i both dislike and am fascinated by: treating characters as real people instead of as tools for the narrative. i think it's because it "makes sense" compared to me saying the opposite, that the mindset has been encouraged, but the idea of saying that when a character dies a meaningless, immediate and cold death that it's bad to do that because "it's not what the character would've wanted" is something i dislike getting popular. to me it's a tool, a lot of characters are one or two dimensional on purpose. a lot of real life people are one or two dimensional. one and two dimensional characters serve a purpose in the story or narrative to develop other characters and moments. i feel like this trend of trying to give every character agency comes form the bottom up, a real creative does not try this unprompted. sometimes a character dies and that sucks, you cant disagree with the decision because you got invested in the idea of the character being real ala chris chan's cartoon dimension beliefs
 
So Immortal X-Men 14 everyone!

We get official confirmation that someone rigged the teleportation gates to send all of the mutants to different locations randomly. Hope/Destiny/Exodus find a huge chunk of civilian mutants (the only notable one being Morrison creation Glob Herman) in a desert and Exodus sets himself up as their leader.

Sebastian Shaw shoots himself in the arm with a neutralizer gun to remove his powers per Orchis demand only to find out that White Queen fucked hm over; banning him from Hellfire Club property and taking all of the money he made working with Xavier/Magneto but still having legal ownership of the island of Krakoa. Unfortunately, Shaw and Selene (and Shaw's new assistant Siobhan, who he keeps calling "New Tessa" can't get their Orchis hired goons any further than the beach as Xavier's been spamming every human trying to access the island with images of giant monsters to scare them off. Also, Mother Righteous has severed ties with Shaw since she no longer needs him/gloats about fucking him over.

Oh and Kingpin is the new White King of the Hellfire Club

And Amazing Spider-Man #31/925

Black Cat dumps Peter on the eve of Beetle's wedding and encourages MJ (who while still with Paul but clearly checked out and doing the whole Scarlet Witch thing with her now dissolved magic construct kids) to use her powers for good to find purpose in her life while stuck in a relationship with a man she only stayed with because of said fake kids. Doctor Octopus is somehow going to become Superior Spider-Man again purely to finish a new scientific equation for an evil scheme of his that he can't finish because he only did so while hijacking Peter's body. We get a new retcon character, Madam Monstrosity, who killed the people who gave Scorpion and Human Fly their powers and claims to have tampered with the science turned Morbius and Lizard into monsters (and did something also to Rhino) as she thinks she's the only person allowed to do animal based super-science and who now wants Spider-Boy dead for being made with her science. Oh and Kraven is fucking Queen Goblin and implied they'll be working togetherto fuck over Peter and turn him into a Goblin.

As for the Wedding: Tombstone forces his mob cronies (including Hammerhead and Madam Masque to attend his wedding so they can be human shields in case Kingpin tries to retaliate against him for humiliating his son Rose at the start of the Fisk run. At the wedding, a black assassin on a motorcycle shoots Tombstone with bullets that pierce his skin and he has to be rushed to the hospital, canceling the wedding. Peter stops the assassin from killing anyone else but he escapes. However, in the confusion, Hammerhead (who denies being part of the plot after sewing dissent among the mob bosses earlier when he accused Tombstone of being in league with Spider-Man) murders Madam Masque by blowing up her limo when she confronts him over being involved in the hit (which Hammerhead denied to her.

Also, I picked up Justice Society #5 and my God how god-awful this book is. We finally get the JSA back AND Geoff writing them, but Geoff throws a tantrum and forces massive delays because he picked a lazy fuck to draw the book and worse, fucking spends the first arc on god-damn timelost replacement version of Pre-Crisis Huntress no one asked for as opposed to reintroducing us to the JSA and catching us up on what the fuck they've been doing since we last fucking saw them in-continuity, fixing the bullshit Gay Alan Scott debacle by revealing he's New 52 Alan Scott stuck on a new Earth, and re-establishing Infinity Inc Dr Midnight and Wildcat, the former of which has a LOT you could do with given how the character was a major figure in Infinity Inc outside a bullshit off-camera "canon" excuse their resurrection and a bullshit "they are permanently possessed by Eclipso and have to take drugs to keep him from hijacking their bodies" garbage he established.
 
Dark X-Men #1

Maddie confirms to everyone that Krakoa wasn't wiped out and is out to find everyone. Her Limbo embassy is currently the only safe place for mutants on Earth due to diplomatic immunity shit and we get a scene where Chasm calls Maddie out for not making the X-Men copy-paste Peter's memories into him ala Jean did for Maddie. Also, Archangel is captured and taken into ORCHIS custody where he's being housed along with the Secret Wars/Inferno alternate Earth Maddie and the lobotomized dragonized Nightcrawler

Alpha Flight #1

Alpha Flight is hunting down mutants for ORCHIIS but not really as the ending reveals that they are working with Northstar and Aurora to relocate mutants to safety

Uncanny Avengers #1

Captain America's acting out of character condoning murder by Revanche and M/Penance and has recruited Deadpool into the Unity Squad as a mea culpa for what happened to Deadpool during Secret Empire. Also Captain Krakoa is impersonating Cyclops and formed a new Mutant Liberation Front with Blob, Wildside, and the Fernis twins. We don't know who Captain Krakoa is yet, but it's established that he was in a stasis pod when MODOK told Dr Stasis about him and got him recruited into the role; leading to some now speculating that Captain Krakoa is either the now disfigured Hydra Cap or the 1950s Nazi Captain America, having once again cheated death

Also the Days of Future Past mini fucks up big time a major plot point, having all of the New Mutants killed off alongside Iceman when the government burnt down the X-Mansion, killing Nightcrawler, Amanda Sefton, a never aged up Illyanna Rasputin, and Xavier and kidnapped Rachel Summers. New Mutants #47-50 famously revealed that members of the New Mutants were still alive in the DOFP timeline and Mirage and Cannonball in particular running an interstellar underground railroad removing mutants from Earth with Lila Cheney's help.
 
I finished reading Preacher by Garth Ennis and goddamn. Hitman remains my favourite off of him, but Preacher is not that far behind.

I watched a video about the AMC show and I am definitely not gonna watch that shit.
 
Burt Ryan said:
I finished reading Preacher by Garth Ennis and goddamn. Hitman remains my favourite off of him, but Preacher is not that far behind.

I watched a video about the AMC show and I am definitely not gonna watch that shit.
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You're definitely better off not bothering with the TV show. Seth Rogen is a genuine retard for signing off on PREACHER being on basic cable. Which means they had to cut out 90%+ of what made the comics so much fun. Add in turning Tulip from a hot blonde to a repulsive niggress, and it just becomes a waste of time.
 
Burt Ryan said:
I watched a video about the AMC show and I am definitely not gonna watch that shit.
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The show sucks, and I don't know why I watched two whole seasons. Curiosity I guess, and also that I like Joseph Gilgun (who plays Cassidy) a lot, and Dominic Cooper (who plays Jesse) a little.
They change a ton of shit, chiefly the start of the story and because of it the characterization of Jesse. Imagine if the Game of Thrones show had started some time before the actual start of the story, the main characters were all out of character and took the whole season to sort of get to their normal characterization, and it also takes the whole season for Ned to leave Winterfell. But somehow they also bring in, and completely waste, Roose Bolton in that one season.
If you don't know GOT, what I'm saying is Jesse is a wet noodle for a whole season, and the season ends where the first issue of the comic ends; but the Meat Guy is the main antagonist and is dealt with. BEFORE their journey starts.

They not only niggered Tulip (played by Ruth Nigga Negga), they also turned her into an unlikeable femme fatale hypercompetent assassin yass qween who don't need no Jesse.

Credit where credit is due, there's a few fun scenes; Cassidy is not faithful to the source, but Gilgun's performance is entertaining; and Herr Starr was pretty decently handled as far as I saw.

But you know what made me drop the thing entirely? The thing that made me SEETHE?

You may remember Tulip's dad from the comic. He was an oldschool manly man guy, misogynist in the real sense of the word, and an all-around loudmouth asshole.
Then his wife dies giving birth to Tulip. And when he first holds his daughter in his hands and looks at her, he says "So you're a girl. That needn't be so bad."
From that point on, he changes completely, raises Tulip lovingly, starts understanding the way the world, and himself, treats women, and endeavors to give Tulip the tools and skills she'll need to thrive in this world.
Then he dies in an absurd accident, which shapes Tulip's view of the world and her opinion of God.

It's a wonderful bit of character writing, and exactly the kind of thing these progressive assfucks should be jumping at the chance to adapt. A misogynist macho asshole changed for the better due to his love for his daughter. Wonderful shit.
And since Tulip is now a Negga, it's a great chance to portray a black father in a positive light.

What did they do?

They turned her dad into a deadbeat criminal who got arrested when she was born, and as soon as he got out a few years later, he went back to being a criminal and endangered his daughter by CAUSING A SHOOTOUT WITH THE COPS RIGHT IN HER HOUSE.

I didn't even finish the episode, I was so angry.

Oh, and they made Arseface a bad person and sent him to hell.

FAGGOTS! WANKERS! SETH ROGEN I'D SHIT ON YOUR WEED IF I COULD!
 
Nick Obre said:
The show sucks, and I don't know why I watched two whole seasons. Curiosity I guess, and also that I like Joseph Gilgun (who plays Cassidy) a lot, and Dominic Cooper (who plays Jesse) a little.
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For reference, the video I watched that is a retrospective of the show.


The only part that he gives some good points is the last bit of season 3, but my God, this show should have come out a bit later or not at all.

The Boys took some pretty big creative differences from the comics, but has managed to land into a "tired of capeshit" era, where finally people are so done with Marvel that they'll jump on a show that ridicules them for good and has some pretty solid story beats 90% of the time.

But Preacher, man, it's such a tough story to transpose to another media format, Tulip's backstory for example, and some other plot lines that I did like:
- Saints of Killers origin story
- John Custer's Vietnam story
- Cassidy's pub friends
- Herr Starr's cohorts
- Arseface's story arc, from top to bottom

And there's so many others that I just can't even think about trying to watch that show. Nothing against Ruth Negga or other cast members, but come fucking on, how can you fucking ruin a solid backstory as hers and turn her into the most common and racist depiction of Black parenthood?
 
Burt Ryan said:
- Saints of Killers origin story
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The Saint of Killers' origin story is the one thing maybe that I give them props for doing really well. They have this thing where hell is essentially a place where you relive the worst moments of your life over and over (they ruin it later but let's not talk about that) so they show his backstory of trying and failing to save his family and then going onto a rampage of revenge, played completely straight. A great drab, slow-paced, and tragic oldschool western sequence. Then it plays again, just a bit more brief. Then again, faster. Again, faster, and faster, until it becomes this slideshow of pain and tragedy, which is what the Saint was suffering in hell.
It was really well done and effective, and I was really surprised they devoted around half an hour of an episode to not just telling the backstory, but repeating the same scenes over and over to achieve the effect they wanted. A daring artistic decision.

That's just about the only thing for which I give unreserved praise to the show.
 
Burt Ryan said:
For reference, the video I watched that is a retrospective of the show.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=anQdu3c6wXs
The only part that he gives some good points is the last bit of season 3, but my God, this show should have come out a bit later or not at all.

The Boys took some pretty big creative differences from the comics, but has managed to land into a "tired of capeshit" era, where finally people are so done with Marvel that they'll jump on a show that ridicules them for good and has some pretty solid story beats 90% of the time.

But Preacher, man, it's such a tough story to transpose to another media format, Tulip's backstory for example, and some other plot lines that I did like:
- Saints of Killers origin story
- John Custer's Vietnam story
- Cassidy's pub friends
- Herr Starr's cohorts
- Arseface's story arc, from top to bottom

And there's so many others that I just can't even think about trying to watch that show. Nothing against Ruth Negga or other cast members, but come fucking on, how can you fucking ruin a solid backstory as hers and turn her into the most common and racist depiction of Black parenthood?
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Sorry to doublepost and be kind of off topic but

That Slip Maker guy

Sounds exactly like MandaloreGaming. Are they the same person?
 
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