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Nick Obre said:
/tv/ is worse.

Half of all threads are "body of work" this, "how do you respond without sounding mad" that, "what's next for our girl x", "what did he mean by this", "what the fuck were they thinking", "apologize", "oh no [something]bros/sisters, we got too cocky", "[something]bros/sisters, we won", "this was considered impressive in [year]", etc.

It's got the worst board culture and it exports it to other boards.
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/tv/ at least will occasionally have good threads. It's culture is the issue of it being brigaded constantly it's like how /his/ deals with autistic German trannies constantly posting bait threads about Christianity. /co/ has the issue where it's just filled with Western fujos (the worst kind of fujo) and actual pedophiles. /tv/ has pedos posting, but /co/ has those weirdo's who will get into some Westley Allen Dodd shit where they want rape and kill cartoon characters who are underage.

The issue with 4chan by large is that you have political and federal organizations brigading, an owner who doesn't give a shit about the website, mods and jannies who are very ideologically motivated, and trannies organizing raids on Discords and Bunkers.

Back to comics, why are they still pushing that Self-Insert for Hilary Clinton's handmaidens niece? Isn't she a total failure to launch?
 
Georgio Cocklord said:
Most of the stuff till Case Files 10 holds up, after that it starts getting pretty silly. It starts getting slightly silly with Case Files 7 and 8 but its still in universe but from Case Files 10 and 11 you start getting Dredd fighting junkies and drag people. Usually I dont recommend people getting into Dredd from the beginning although Case Files 1, 2, 3 and 4 are probably the best on average but I would recommend for Dredd newcomers specifically starting with the Apocalypse War, its the best Dredd Story ever and needs little context as to what the world is, the best intro to any newcomer. Secondly probably Dredd Vs Death and the Dark Judges arc, then usually people are well acquainted with Dredd for stuff like Cursed Earth, Judge Child, America and other stuff. Dredd reads a lot more like newspaper strips with some specific arcs, which is a radical departure from capeshit and manga. Most Dredd stories from the time are self contained newspaper type flavour of the week stories. And then you have the specific arcs like Apocalypse War, Dark Judges, Dredd Vs Death, Cursed Earth, Judge Child, America etc etc etc. I wish Pat Mills wrote more Dredd stuff, hes generally a more actiony writer than Wagner but both are the best of 2000AD.
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Thanks for the recommendations! I've been able to chew through a lot of Dredd thanks to the recent Essentials TPBs that 2000 AD has been publishing as of late, which compile a lot of these story arcs in order (something that makes them a bit more digestible than the Case Files). So far, America, Mechanismo, the original Judge Death storyline, and Necropolis are my favorites, but that Dark Justice mini from 2015 is up there as well...the art for that one is mind-blowingly good. I also saw another arc Wagner wrote called Cold War, but I can't find scans anywhere and it seems out of print.

What's the consensus on Garth Ennis' work on Dredd? The only thing I've read by him is The Boys, which was a slog to get through, and even his Punisher work seems sketchy depending on who you ask. I liked what I read from his Dredd: America follow-up about the Democracy Freedom Fighters (or whatever they were called). Is there any other Ennis work on Dredd that holds up, or nah?

I've also seen a lot of a side shit set in the Dreddverse like Dreadnoughts, Lawless, and all the Judge Anderson Psi-Ops files. No idea if any of those are worth it, given how everyone not named Wagner or Mills seems to shit the bed with Megacity One as a setting.

Georgio Cocklord said:
Nice to see somebody else reading 2000AD though, I just got into it at the start of the year and although its commie comic shit, ignoring the commie propaganda theyre actually very good stories, most of the time. Also the art is really fucking good on average, especially in the monochrome collections.
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2000 AD, when the right people are writing it and the art isn't farmed out to some quadriplegic intern from the Phillipines, is some good shit. By far the coolest ongoing series I've seen besides Dredd is ABC Warriors, especially the later stuff I've seen.

The art alone makes it look metal as fuck.
 
Mississippi Motorboater said:
What's the consensus on Garth Ennis' work on Dredd? The only thing I've read by him is The Boys, which was a slog to get through, and even his Punisher work seems sketchy depending on who you ask. I liked what I read from his Dredd: America follow-up about the Democracy Freedom Fighters (or whatever they were called). Is there any other Ennis work on Dredd that holds up, or nah?
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One of the things people need to understand about Garth is he doesnt like a good 70% of his work, hes not your average comic writer who read batman or daredevil when they were 15 and wanted to do the same. I read The Boys for the first time couple days ago and it comes across as exceptionally spiteful and juvenile, something which feels like a complete hatred of heroism which is something all brits have but Garth is not like Gaiman or Moore, he doesnt hate heroism so spitefully like they do he hates it cause he doesnt it forced upon him or vice versa. I dont want to go full history lesson here but comics as a medium especially American Comics is full of Capeshit, at least till the mid 2010s and due to Murican influence over the world, when people thunk comics they thunk Capeshit, nothing beyond. What people dont realize is that every country has their own brand and flair of comic book and the manga recognition has been only a bit more recently, ignoring other comics from other countries. Garth comes from rural England and Englands brand of comics is all dimestore war stories which is a good analogue with Murican cowboy stories. Whatever he read during his childhood is all war comic books which is something that became almost a part of him. So in customary brit fashion Garth joined 2000AD to write shit with a longing to write war stories and in customary brit fashion he was imported to the states to write Capeshit. He hated that, if it was two things he hated was Catholicism and Capeshit and so most of what he wrote for Vertigo like The Pro, The Boys, Preacher all that was not shit he liked doing. Punisher Max was sorta a catharsis for him cause he could go full ham on the war stuff and he used most of his other work to push his pet war projects like Adventures in the Rifle Brigade, Punisher Born, Fury Peacemaker, War Stories stuff like that. Dredd was one of them, Dredd was part of the 2000AD grind for him and from what ive read theyre not the best Dredd stories and he didnt have much enthusiasm for them. He did take up a new Rogue Trooper Arc last year and that I found to be a much better set of stories compared to regular Rogue Trooper.
Mississippi Motorboater said:
2000 AD, when the right people are writing it and the art isn't farmed out to some quadriplegic intern from the Phillipines, is some good shit. By far the coolest ongoing series I've seen besides Dredd is ABC Warriors, especially the later stuff I've seen.

The art alone makes it look metal as fuck.
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I didnt like the ABC warriors, I dont like most of the artists in 2000AD cause they all seem to be aspiring cartoonists than comic artists. Mike McMahon especially, his shit I find to be grotesque and unskilled. I generally like Brian Bolland, Dave Gibbons and Ron Smith the most, occasionally Cam Kennedy, Ian Gibson and others. I dont invest much time in anything outside of Dredd, Rogue Trooper and Strontium Dog unless it really seems interesting to me, like Flesh or Fiends of the Eastern Front. I do take first glances but they usually lose me by the 4th or 5th prog.
 
Mississippi Motorboater said:
What's the consensus on Garth Ennis' work on Dredd? The only thing I've read by him is The Boys, which was a slog to get through, and even his Punisher work seems sketchy depending on who you ask.
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His initial Punisher run, when he still had to work under restrictions in the main Marvel timeline, I would give a miss. There are some parts of Welcome Back Frank that worked, but most of it, especially The Russian, were just Garth retreading his 90s work. But the MAX stuff was when he started to work outside his comfort zone and do serious crime stories rather than his 'offensive to be offensive' bullshit. I would read either Kitchen Irish or Mother Russia first. If you like those, you'll like his Punisher Max. If not, at least you only read six issues.
 
Is there a good place to start with Strontium Dog? Been meaning to get into 2000AD's stuff for a little while now, and I was under the impression that Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper, and Strontium Dog were their three most well regarded series.
 
Merton J. Dingle said:
Is there a good place to start with Strontium Dog? Been meaning to get into 2000AD's stuff for a little while now, and I was under the impression that Judge Dredd, Rogue Trooper, and Strontium Dog were their three most well regarded series.
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Search Destroy Agency Files 1 2, the stuff where he hunts hitler is good. Ive not read beyond the Search Destroy Agency Files but I have heard Final Solution is pretty good.
 
Reading from Hermes Press, From the Files of... Mike Hammer! Mickey Spillane had written for comic strips and comics, and an early version of Spillane's hard-boiled Mike Hammer character, called Mike Danger, was submitted in a script for a detective-themed comic book.

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So in 1947, the first Hammer novel I, The Jury became a bestseller and followed by more best sellers in the very early 1950s, and had been the subject of comic strip proposals. In 1953, there was already a film adaption of I, The Jury and a radio drama series based on the character but Spillane didn't have anything to do with them on the creative side. Spillane approached a newspaper syndicate with a proposal for a strip, which he ended up writing and supervising, with art by Ed Robbins. The Mike Hammer strip was distributed to newspapers by the Phoenix Features Syndicate. Alas, it only ran a year because it was a bit too gritty for editorial standards at the time, and a cliffhanger panel of a woman being threatened by a goon with the application of a lit cigarette to her bare foot was apparently a bridge too far. So the whole run of dailys and Sunday storylines could be collected in one volume. It was a short run but what a run.

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The Hermes Press collection also has a deep and informative introduction from comics and mystery writer Max Allan Collins, who had been a fan of Spillane and later collaborated with him on various projects, has been his posthumous literary executor,
 
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So Hellfire Gala III come out at the end of the month and is being hyped as a Mutant Massacre/Fall of the Mutants tier event that will burn down the Krakoa status quo.

From what we know leading up to it:

1. Orchis has someone steal the Captain Krakoa costume and blow up the Department of Defense, killing a ton of US generals and stab Cyclops; possibly fatally

2. Jean and Scott's marriage is on the brink of collapse, presumably after Jean saw how Scott treated Maddie during Dark Web and Duggan white knighting Jean by claiming that Scott lied to Alex about Jean cockblocking Maddie's resurrection in Hellions. Jean has gone full mutant supremacist and it's implied she wants to move to Mars full time and abandon Earth, which Scott not only refuses to do but Scott admitting that he considers the terraforming of Mars to be an affront to God and proof that Xavier has lost his mind with mutant supremacy and has vowed never to set foot on the red planet. Jean told Scott if he decides to stay with the X-Men, then she considers their marriage over.

3. Orchis's plot from Hellfire Gala II finally got revealed: Stasis tainted the medical supply with nanites that lets Orchis control the users of the medication; which they intend to use to do something nasty and blame it on mutantkind so as to turn the public against using mutant medication

4. Mother Righteous (confirmed to be a clone of Sinister's paganism obsessed wife and not tranny Mr Sinister) is working with Orchis; the two resurrect Selene and using Sebastian Shaw, get her on the Quiet Council.....

5. With help from the mind controlled Colossus, who has both Storm and Nightcrawler's proxy vote. Colossus, in a bid to try and warn everyone he's been corrupted, manages to fight off his mind control long enough agree to help install Selene onto the Quiet Council for Shaw, in exchange for their votes to make public the details of the Sins of Sinister timeline and how Mr Sinister nearly created a dystopian future where Xavier, Emma, Hope, and Exodus enslaved humanity and killed trillions in creation of an interstellar mutant empire. Hope alerts Storm of this, but she can't get her proxy vote rescinded as Colossus (serving as a proxy puppet for his brother Mikail) basically tells Storm and the rest of the X-Men how disgusted he is with them and the corruption of the Krakoa era X-Men in general and that he's going to tell the world the bullet they just dodge, damn the consequences of possibly triggering a mutant pogrom that will kill millions, because Krakoa is an affront to God and doesn't deserve to survive.

6. Mother Righteous gives Mystique one of the few surviving artifacts of the Sins of Sinister timeline that didn't get erased: Destiny's recording to Sinister offering alliance if he'll help her protect Mystique from her impending death and how she helped enable the continuation of the Sins of Sinister timeline as it was the future where Mystique lived the longest. Listening to the recording allowed Mother Righteous to hijack Mystique's body long enough to kill Destiny and then force Hope to resurrect her; however, even though Hope scrubbed Destiny of Sinister's corruption, Destiny is now barred from the Quiet Council; allowing Shaw/Righteous to consolidate power.

7. Speaking of which, Destiny is aware of the coming massacre at the Gala; which will include "the death of the Red Queen" IE Kitty Pryde (which is going to be more symbolic, as Kitty's going back to the Shadowcat name and taking on a ninja look after the Gala) and Krakoa being hit by a bolt from the sky. In the seemingly unimportant Rogue/Gambit mini, Destiny tried to rescue Manifold (Hickman character who has mass teleportation power and the ability to teleport anything that might be necessary for any sort of task asked of him) from being killed via Rogue/Gambit but failed. Rogue is told this but sworn to secrecy, meaning she won't be at the Gala but will be helping Captain America fight Orchis in NYC while the Gala takes place.

8. Teen Cable is back, trying to kill Orchis before the Gala but gets his arm ripped off and frozen alive by Nimrod and Moira and Omega Sentinel. As the Hellfire Gala Massacre is a fixed moment in time that mutantkind has been trying to change, unsuccessfully, for ages.

9. Magik's been infected with nanites that are casuing her powers to malfunction. Meaning she won't be able to teleport everyone to safety.
 
Theres new capeshit by japs, Batman justice buster and Superman mumen something. Its great especially the Batman one. Probably DC is seeing them being outsold by Manga and trying to make themselves Manga, Id take it more than modern capeshit.
 
My favorite Dredd stories are Apocalypse War, Cursed Earth, and the Dark Judges. It still hurts that Dredd bombed back in 2012, and I don't get to see Karl Urban on screen yelling "GAZE INTO THE FIST OF DREDD!" while putting his fist through Judge Death's face. In the 40+ years of Judge Dredd's existence, that may just be his finest moment.

My favorite Garth Ennis written Dredd arc is Judgement Day which includes Johnny Alpha from Strontium Dog. Carlos Ezquerra is one of my all time favorite comic artists, and he was at the top of his game in that book.
 
Hellfire Gala 2023: AKA It's Justifiable Genocide Charlie Brown!

Ms Marvel's a mutant who's powers hadn't manifested when she got turned into an Inhuman.

Lots of faggotry, including Duggan quadrupling down on Iceman being gay by shoving his Inhuman ex-Romeo into the book.

Iceman, Jean Grey, and all of the candidates for X-Men membership this year are massacred save for Juggernaut, who's a prisoner of ORCHIS while Duggan continues to shit on Firestar by way of Jean using her dying breath to brainwash Dr Stasis into thinking Firestar's a race traitor who was giving him insider information on ORCHIS and not telling ANYONE what she was doing before Moira kills Jean with a poison tainted blade.

ORCHIS tells Xavier that if he doesn't send all mutants off-world, they'll use their tainted medicine to murder humanity. It's implied that mass murderess and X-Men Green member Curse, pissed off she was being made to leave Earth, used her reality warping powers to "curse" Xavier as she was forced to go through the portal via Xavier using his mind control power to make everyone go through.

A bunch of name A/B-List X-Men (plus Kingpin) are able to resist and with help from Lourde (the original Black Queen who was retroactively brought back to life in Marauders via Kingpin helping fake her death) escape, though Moira shoots Lourde as she teleports away, killing her. Xavier meanwhile kills Mystique when she refuses to go through the portal ala Destiny and the Five/Exodus.

Finally, ORCHIS kills the humans at the Gala and Xavier is about to be murdered when Rogue rescues him. But as they flee, Moira makes a joke about how the Gala will be known as "The Mutant Massacre" which combined with Xavier realizing that he can't read the thoughts of everyone sent through the portal and no telepathic sign of them on Mars (which is where he was sending everyone), Xavier loses it and starts screeching that the portals were rigged to KILL everyone who went through them. And has Rogue take him back to the island, where he can mourn/hate himself.

HOWEVER, ORCHIS doesn't say anything about tampering with the gates to kill each other though we DO see MODOK tampering with the gates to brick them from being used by mutants (keeping Emma from going back to kill everyone), though the tampering DOES have the side effect of finally allowing Kitty to go through them by accident (landing in Israel, with ORCHIS troops waiting for her). Also, we see Mother Righteous steal away a spare island from Krakoa, placing it in the astral plane, the fact that several of the mutants carrying mass murderess Curse into the portal kicking and screaming are going to have a mini-series where they land in Asgard, and the plot point of ORCHIS running mutant prisons. So there is that out to bring everyone back that died down the line, unless they handwave Curse having "cursed" the portals to kill everyone since X-Men Green are already mass murderers, that having one of them being responsible for the mass genocide could be their out to absolve Xavier if the deaths stick.
 
>Ms Marvel's a mutant who's powers hadn't manifested when she got turned into an Inhuman
HA she was supposed to be one of the main Inhuman during that time period when they tried (and failed) to replace the mutants with the Inhumans and now she's the very thing that she was created to help get rid of.
 
MirrorNoir said:
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Mother Righteous is also seen messing with the gates as the mutants start going through them, saying "Bon voyage" to them. Even if ORCHIS' plan was what Xavier thought after the fact, as in, turn the gates into meat grinders (which I don't think it was), MR was playing her own game and did send the mutants somewhere. Possibly to the Krakoa island she stole. Maybe to other realms, like you said, the thing with Curse and the others in the ThorLands.

Maybe Curse's curse on Chuck prevents him from reaching the minds of the other mutants.

Also, Jubilee is in one of the covers for the upcoming Ms Mutie books, but she's super dead as of this issue. That means she comes back somehow, so are the Five not just alive, but back to work?
 
The plot synopsis for Ms Marvel 3 (with Jubilee on the cover) seems to indicate it's going to take place in the dream world. And given that Gambit/Rogue are on the cover, it may be a case where the two are dreaming of Jubilee and it being exploited by someone like Nightmare (who has been reassigned as an X-Men villain).
 
How do you write an issue that should be the impactful thinning out of the mugga hordes and have it come across like a filler issue? Duggan is a hack.
 
The last four years of X-Men have felt like boring anime filler. Nothing ever happens. Nothing's at stake. Nothing meaningful or interesting happens with the characters, who all basically function as out-of-character, agency-deprived vessels for whatever plot hijinks people like Duggen or Gillen have planned that week.

I've heard people describe the 90's era of X-Men as empty calories--just a lot of fighting and excess, without any real plot--but this era is arguably even more vapid and oversaturated with events that do fuck all to advance the plot or characters.
 
Mississippi Motorboater said:
The last four years of X-Men have felt like boring anime filler. Nothing ever happens. Nothing's at stake. Nothing meaningful or interesting happens with the characters, who all basically function as out-of-character, agency-deprived vessels for whatever plot hijinks people like Duggen or Gillen have planned that week.

I've heard people describe the 90's era of X-Men as empty calories--just a lot of fighting and excess, without any real plot--but this era is arguably even more vapid and oversaturated with events that do fuck all to advance the plot or characters.
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X-Men was almost never good, hot take. The only stuff which was good about the X-Men were the spinoffs and stories where they were barely involved. Stuff like Enemy of the State, Days of Future Past, Old Man Logan, Frank Millers Wolverine run Wolverine #1-#4, Ruins and occasionally X Men the End, basically most of the Wolverine stuff and very few of the X Men stuff cause Wolverine is Marvels Batman character wise. The movies did better than the books there, people who praise Claremont and Lees X-Men are the same soyboys who hold up 90s mediocrity like Death of Superman, Knightfall and Crisis on Infinite Earths as DCs best work. No, Morrisons X-Men is not good.
 
So while the site has been off the clearnet, I have been doing a complete reread of all the Spider-Man comics in chronological order.

Currently on Spectauclar Spider-Man #98.

I have quite a few things I want to bring up at some point, but I just need to get this off my chest.

Oh my fucking god I fucking hated everything about Gwen Stacy so much, aside from her father and her intial cold alitude to Peter.

I was super glad when that dumb bitch got pwnt, but then Peter would not shut the fuck up about her for the next billiion years.

Fuck most of Gerry Conroy's run.

In fact, fuck alot of the 70's Spider-Man comics, I struggled to get through this shit.
 
Does anyone know any good black and white or ink comics? I hate the way digital stuff looks nowadays, I like line work. Like old horror magazines or savage sword of conan.

Although nothing will surpass Cursed Pirate Girl in my opinion.
 
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