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[The Feline Solution]

So I bought Supercrooks by Mark Millar. My fucking God it was awesome. I love Gladiator. Now I'm waiting for the end of the month to get the last of the Invincible omnibus and I'll start reading it all.

I've also bought Hellblazer by Ennis omnibus, so fuck me and my ever increasing "backlog" of comics.

Ennis run on Hellblazer is fantastic, i had great fun reading that years ago. Much like Hitman, its oozing that mid-90's charme from every page, a true and honest product of its time. The initial Delano run was also very good, not to mention all those master piece Bradstreet covers, that dude is beyond gifted in his art. It's very sad to see what became of the Vertigo imprint, they really had some outstanding stuff in print back then.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Imma get shit for this but I adore Gail Simone's Birds of Prey run. The original was just so damn fun. Idk. It holds up. Shiva, Zinda, all fantastic.

Her WW run is pretty good too tbh. We don't talk about what the fag Azarello did to her though.

 

[Nick Obre]

Imma get shit for this but I adore Gail Simone's Birds of Prey run. The original was just so damn fun. Idk. It holds up. Shiva, Zinda, all fantastic.

No shit from me. Simone used to be pretty good. I'm not sure exactly when that changed, but BoP was still in her good era.

Her WW run is pretty good too tbh. We don't talk about what the fag Azarello did to her though.

Now that I'll give you shit for. I don't remember her WW much, aside from her doing that Diana Prince secret agent thing and some issues having Dodson art; but Azzarello's WW was GREAT. It was the only time WW and the world around her were interesting in decades, and for sure more interesting than anything they've done with her since. It was also one of the rare good books from the New52

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

No shit from me. Simone used to be pretty good. I'm not sure exactly when that changed, but BoP was still in her good era.


Now that I'll give you shit for. I don't remember her WW much, aside from her doing that Diana Prince secret agent thing and some issues having Dodson art; but Azzarello's WW was GREAT. It was the only time WW and the world around her were interesting in decades, and for sure more interesting than anything they've done with her since. It was also one of the rare good books from the New52

In her defense the agent shit wasn't originated by her. The Hollywood issue is the best because queen of fables returned. Perez's 1980s run and Rucka's 04-06 run are still my faves though.

I own a copy of Amazons Attack too. Is it trite shit? Yes. It is retarded? Yes. Is it Circe being a mega troll? Yes.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Something of a cross post from the autistic purchases thread but I'm waiting on two volumes collecting strange tales and nick fury. Almost the entire run by Stan lee, Jack Kirby, and the last living legend himself Jim steranko.


Between those guys work on strange tales and the short lived nick fury agent of shield series, and shows like Johnny quest and the man from uncle. You can thank them for being the inspiration behind the venture bros.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Imma get shit for this but I adore Gail Simone's Birds of Prey run. The original was just so damn fun. Idk. It holds up. Shiva, Zinda, all fantastic.

Her WW run is pretty good too tbh. We don't talk about what the fag Azarello did to her though.

I preferred Secret Six, but yeah she used to good shit.

From what I've heard, she had this forum filled with feminists and trannies who praised her for retconning characters gay or bi. And you also had twitter people posting panels from her run praising her, who were also hardcore lefties. So she assumed that was a huge market she could appeal to while also feeling like a hero. And it backfired, terribly, but she didn't realize that because her internet circle, plus the idiots who write comics, were telling her to keep going.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I preferred Secret Six, but yeah she used to good shit.

From what I've heard, she had this forum filled with feminists and trannies who praised her for retconning characters gay or bi. And you also had twitter people posting panels from her run praising her, who were also hardcore lefties. So she assumed that was a huge market she could appeal to while also feeling like a hero. And it backfired, terribly, but she didn't realize that because her internet circle, plus the idiots who write comics, were telling her to keep going.

I didn't mind Savant and Creote or Catman because their sexualities don't define them unlike *cough*robin, iceman, etc*cough* some people.

I do think she had a point with the Fridge metaphor though not in the way you'd view it in today's woke society, where they prefer the WAMEN STRONG N FEMINIST N LESBIN. The original point was to demonstrate that some female characters, usually wives, mothers (Disney has this and its a big problem), and girlfriends, are killed off to give the lead characters some kind of development and motivation.

Hell it isn't just the Green Lantern thing. Look at Candy Southern, Lori Lemaris, Elektra Natchios, Moira MacTaggert, and Sarah Gordon, and everyone in Jean Grey's family. Nowadays however it's instead the in thing to suddenly revive everyone without explanation. There's really no point bringing them back because it destroys the original intent. And the entire message got skewered because now the sexualization and objectification of women is suddenly a big issue. While it would be great to have men objectified, now we got women trying to cover-up (remember wonder woman getting pants for no reason? Psylocke getting a more realistic outfit although Kwannon now has the original outfit?)

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

>go to /co/ hoping that someone might have a TinTin thread or something because I can't browse kiwifarms on Tor on my phone at work
>instead it's just a shill thread about a fat blue haired writer for Marvel

/co/ really is the worst fucking board on 4chan. People will call out my trolling on /lgbt/ or at the very least argue in a way that isn't as faggy. I got fucking banned from /co/ for calling out that the fat chick is using a push-up bra, girdle, and myspace angles to appear like she's not as fat and has big tits.

I don't know what I was expecting, but /co/ is just the worst part of Western comics. Just a bunch of politically motivated people saying that their obvious propaganda has no political bent or open pedophiles.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

>go to /co/ hoping that someone might have a TinTin thread or something because I can't browse kiwifarms on Tor on my phone at work
>instead it's just a shill thread about a fat blue haired writer for Marvel

/co/ really is the worst fucking board on 4chan. People will call out my trolling on /lgbt/ or at the very least argue in a way that isn't as faggy. I got fucking banned from /co/ for calling out that the fat chick is using a push-up bra, girdle, and myspace angles to appear like she's not as fat and has big tits.

I don't know what I was expecting, but /co/ is just the worst part of Western comics. Just a bunch of politically motivated people saying that their obvious propaganda has no political bent or open pedophiles.

/co/ is full of colored hair women, tumblr refugees, autistic lesbians, retard coomers and multicolor trannies. Why would you go there for info about fucking Bandes Desinees?

 

[Nick Obre]

/tv/ is worse.

Half of all threads are "body of work" this, "how do you respond without sounding mad" that, "what's next for our girl x", "what did he mean by this", "what the fuck were they thinking", "apologize", "oh no [something]bros/sisters, we got too cocky", "[something]bros/sisters, we won", "this was considered impressive in [year]", etc.

It's got the worst board culture and it exports it to other boards.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Been dipping my toe into 2000 AD and Judge Dredd as a first time reader, been really enjoying it so far. Most of the Wagner and Enis stuff holds up, but I've noticed that a whole glut of the last five years of Dredd comics have had a wealth of different writers contributing.

Any recommendations on which non-Wagner story arcs I should read/avoid?

I asbolutely love the ALIENS series from Dark Horse, Based on the RIdley Scott 1979 Alien film, they build the world in which the titular monster comes from. Needless to say I'm a huge fan of the film and it's sequels.

My favorite story arcs from the old Aliens comics was Nightmare Asylum and Frenzy. Frenzy especially would make an excellent standalone film.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Been dipping my toe into 2000 AD and Judge Dredd as a first time reader, been really enjoying it so far. Most of the Wagner and Enis stuff holds up, but I've noticed that a whole glut of the last five years of Dredd comics have had a wealth of different writers contributing.

Any recommendations on which non-Wagner story arcs I should read/avoid?

Most of the stuff till Case Files 10 holds up, after that it starts getting pretty silly. It starts getting slightly silly with Case Files 7 and 8 but its still in universe but from Case Files 10 and 11 you start getting Dredd fighting junkies and drag people. Usually I dont recommend people getting into Dredd from the beginning although Case Files 1, 2, 3 and 4 are probably the best on average but I would recommend for Dredd newcomers specifically starting with the Apocalypse War, its the best Dredd Story ever and needs little context as to what the world is, the best intro to any newcomer. Secondly probably Dredd Vs Death and the Dark Judges arc, then usually people are well acquainted with Dredd for stuff like Cursed Earth, Judge Child, America and other stuff. Dredd reads a lot more like newspaper strips with some specific arcs, which is a radical departure from capeshit and manga. Most Dredd stories from the time are self contained newspaper type flavour of the week stories. And then you have the specific arcs like Apocalypse War, Dark Judges, Dredd Vs Death, Cursed Earth, Judge Child, America etc etc etc. I wish Pat Mills wrote more Dredd stuff, hes generally a more actiony writer than Wagner but both are the best of 2000AD.

Nice to see somebody else reading 2000AD though, I just got into it at the start of the year and although its commie comic shit, ignoring the commie propaganda theyre actually very good stories, most of the time. Also the art is really fucking good on average, especially in the monochrome collections.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Does anybody know where to find the most recent Jungle Fantasy issues from Boundless Comics? The 6-7 ones from 2021-22, I think theyre called Fauna, cant seem to find them anywhere neither for purchase nor for reading online.

 

[Nick Obre]

Does anybody know where to find the most recent Jungle Fantasy issues from Boundless Comics? The 6-7 ones from 2021-22, I think theyre called Fauna, cant seem to find them anywhere neither for purchase nor for reading online.

Sorry lad, looked at all my sources and all I could find was issues from 2017-2019.

But then, that's some really bad porn comics, my man.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Sorry lad, looked at all my sources and all I could find was issues from 2017-2019.

But then, that's some really bad porn comics, my man.

I like it cause it's trash. If I wanted good ones I'd have read something off fakku. The art is good, reminds me of Frank cho and 2000s adult magazine art.

 

[Sawamura Simp]

Sperg about comic books here​

Okay.

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Comics that are must-reads
(a.k.a. "exclusive exploiters of the medium's possibilities")

> Miracleman/Marvelman (1982):
The first and ultimate deconstruction of the superhero genre.
It's easier to get now than 20 years ago so everyone can stop pretending Watchmen is Moore's best.

The Marvel edition creates a fascinating meta-narrative using Mick Anglo original stories.
The second arc (The Silver age) is written by Neil Gaiman.
There is a short story by a young Grant Morrison.
And apparently, the Bronze Age and Dark Age arcs will resume.
Reading Miracleman/Marvelman equals speedrunning earlier graphic novel culture.

> Swamp Thing (1984):
Horror Poetry in comic book format created by (then) soon-to-be legends of the medium.
A boring premise turned intergalactic odyssey that puts the "book" in "comic book"
and invites introspection while rewarding attention to detail. Definitely a dopamine-stabilizer.
Plus John Constantine.

> Animal Man (1988/1993):
Grant Morrison's run turns comics into Alice's mirror, with Brian Bolland's cover artwork.
Every issue is a mindfuck time-bomb that explodes in issue 26.
Jamie Delano's Flesh and Blood -starting in issue 51- is a naturally brutal arc worth every page.
You may stop reading after the Crisis Event around issue 72.

> The Sandman (1989):
A book that fully exploits the word "Dreams".
I wish this was compulsory reading in high-schools around the world.
My personal favourite, and decidedly my introduction to previously mentioned titles.
Plus Barnabas.

> Preacher (1995):
A man wants answers from God and follows said journey. Crass meets Class.
It's the kind of raw writing and funny wit that Twittards want forever banned.
If you are one of those 'comics are gay' individuals, this is a work you will enjoy.
Plus Cassidy.

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Great Works Probably Dismissed as Overrated
(a.k.a. solid stories worth reading beyond initial prejudice)

> MAUS (1980):
Probably the most honest and self-critical look you will ever get from a Spiegelman.
You can almost feel the pain of the author trying to get things as balanced as possible,
knowing he is destined to fail from the start, but going with it anyways for 296 pages.
It's not a charming or refreshing, but it's good for you. Just like Silent Hill 2.

> Sin City (1991):
Everyone wants to be the most edgy and gritty, but only Frank Miller delivered
(twice, including his most-known and successful The Dark Knight Returns).
It's a literal black or white story with an awesome execution.
It can be argued that no one did it better. That's all there is to it.

> Blacksad (2000)
The first three books offer a safe close-look to the potential of anthro stories.
The hand-drawn artwork is elegant, and expressive. These are beautiful books.
The writing is sharp and well-paced with the right amount of words and noir.
Many people might have dismissed it as furfag shit (after all the artist did work for Disney)
yet it's completely worth your time and your coin.
Again: these are beautiful books, probably the best of what I've recommended so far.

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Recommendations For Beginner Artists
(a.k.a. reading these will give you tools to refine the quality of your work)


> Dave Steven's The Rocketeer (Complete Adventures Edition 2009)
His hand-drawn skills were otherwordly. Specially his inking.
But his natural instinct for pin-ups and design are a joy to behold.

> Yukito Kishiro's Ashen Victor (1995)
Sin City Cyberpunk Edition: The Manga. Only one volume.
Kishiro's body of work added dimension to the genre for 20+ years and this one is a great synopsis of it.
Absolute mastery of black and white, possibly on par with Frank Miller's.

> James O'Barr's The Crow (1989)
This is an example of a fantastic work done by a not-that-great artist.
There is a haunting quality on the pages of this work, a tangible pain and perhaps a curse.
Everyone wanted to be emo and suicidal, but NOTHING delivered it like this work.
Smells like teen spirit, indeed.

And O'Barr's natural instinct for verticality is something anyone can learn from in this webcomic age.

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End of Spergery.-

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

> Miracleman/Marvelman (1982):
The first and ultimate deconstruction of the superhero genre.
It's easier to get now than 20 years ago so everyone can stop pretending Watchmen is Moore's best.

The Marvel edition creates a fascinating meta-narrative using Mick Anglo original stories.
The second arc (The Silver age) is written by Neil Gaiman.
There is a short story by a young Grant Morrison.
And apparently, the Bronze Age and Dark Age arcs will resume.
Reading Miracleman/Marvelman equals speedrunning earlier graphic novel culture.

> Swamp Thing (1984):
Horror Poetry in comic book format created by (then) soon-to-be legends of the medium.
A boring premise turned intergalactic odyssey that puts the "book" in "comic book"
and invites introspection while rewarding attention to detail. Definitely a dopamine-stabilizer.
Plus John Constantine.

> Animal Man (1988/1993):
Grant Morrison's run turns comics into Alice's mirror, with Brian Bolland's cover artwork.
Every issue is a mindfuck time-bomb that explodes in issue 26.
Jamie Delano's Flesh and Blood -starting in issue 51- is a naturally brutal arc worth every page.
You may stop reading after the Crisis Event around issue 72.

> The Sandman (1989):
A book that fully exploits the word "Dreams".
I wish this was compulsory reading in high-schools around the world.
My personal favourite, and decidedly my introduction to previously mentioned titles.
Plus Barnabas.

> Preacher (1995):
A man wants answers from God and follows said journey. Crass meets Class.
It's the kind of raw writing and funny wit that Twittards want forever banned.
If you are one of those 'comics are gay' individuals, this is a work you will enjoy.
Plus Cassidy.

lol you really seem to like them communist faggots

 

[The Feline Solution]

Blacksad (2000)

Worth it for the artwork alone. It's a great book, back when i read them the Voodoo-arc one didn't have had translated scans out, gotta check on that again. Much like with Beastars, i had to drop my initial "Fuck this furry shit" attitude before reading, but i learned there's a pretty big difference between anthro and furry after these two series, especially when euros or japs do the art and story.

> James O'Barr's The Crow (1989)
This is an example of a fantastic work done by a not-that-great artist.

Really perfect description. I think it's worth a read just to get a taste and understanding of this very particular and unique time in comics/media in general. Art is really all over the place, though, you picked a very flattering page to showcase.

Also, anyone saying Sin City is overrated in the slightest is a retard who's opinion is worth less than dogshit. The absolute pinnacle of american alternative/non-capeshit comics, i rate it higher than his Batman work. Required reading for anyone with even a passing interest in US comics.
While i haven't read Miracleman yet i agree with the rest that's on your "Must Read" list.

Secondly probably Dredd Vs Death and the Dark Judges arc

Can't be stressed enough how good these are, i used a reading guide back when i started getting into 2000 A.D. because i couldn't be fucked to work through literal decades of brit comic, these two were at the top of the recommendations, deservedly so.

 

[Georgio Cocklord]

Can't be stressed enough how good these are, i used a reading guide back when i started getting into 2000 A.D. because i couldn't be fucked to work through literal decades of brit comic, these two were at the top of the recommendations, deservedly so.

Judge death is definitely the best 2000ad character (inspired the Batman who laughs, enough proof) but I think apocalypse war is the best story arc they did. Especially once the sov invasion starts and Dredd decides to go undercover it's insane how much shit gets blown up and torn to shreds. People still quote that ending where he launches nukes on east meg one as revenge (the request denied part) as the best Dredd moment ever.

 

[jspit2.0]

Imma get shit for this but I adore Gail Simone's Birds of Prey run. The original was just so damn fun. Idk. It holds up. Shiva, Zinda, all fantastic.

It's perfectly adequate, carried by the firm foundation Dixon and others laid. Nothing great. She's able to stand up and speak, which is a testament to low bars.
What cheeses me off about it is she gets all the credit for BoP when she didn't create it or really do anything to great with it. At all. The concept? Jordan Gofienkal, Dixon, and Gary Frank with some designs. Babs Gordon as Oracle? That was John Ostrander and his wife. She put out some okay content on an established book on cruise control.

In no fucking world. Forgetting Azzerello's run with Chiang getting shit on when he had the audacity to move out from George Perez's little box; have you read the other runs?

I'd take Bill Messner Loebs or even fucking John Byrne over the trashfire that was Gail, up to and including ripping off fucking doomsday. Simone crashed the book so bad DC had to reboot it. And that was an accomplishment considering the quality of art she had. Shit, poor Messner Loebs run looked rough.

In her defense the agent shit wasn't originated by her. The Hollywood issue is the best because queen of fables returned. Perez's 1980s run and Rucka's 04-06 run are still my faves though.

You liked Rucka, now I understand.

Been dipping my toe into 2000 AD and Judge Dredd as a first time reader, been really enjoying it so far. Most of the Wagner and Enis stuff holds up, but I've noticed that a whole glut of the last five years of Dredd comics have had a wealth of different writers contributing.

Oh wow! Have fun. The Bolland/Leach artwork is awesome stuff is awesome.

Any recommendations on which non-Wagner story arcs I should read/avoid?


My favorite story arcs from the old Aliens comics was Nightmare Asylum and Frenzy. Frenzy especially would make an excellent standalone film.

I'm the worst person to ask, because my favorite part absent Grant/Wagner is the art. Quitely's 2000AD stuff is good. He did some Japanese branch of Dredd, then Missionary Man.