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[Scarlett Johansson]

In preparation for Dazzler omni coming in October, I went back and reread some of her stuff. I had no idea she and Galactus had a history lmao at least her being a herald in What If? comic.



Also completely forgot about her sister.

 

[Anon88]

In preparation for Dazzler omni coming in October, I went back and reread some of her stuff. I had no idea she and Galactus had a history lmao at least her being a herald in What If? comic.

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Also completely forgot about her sister.

Are the Dazzler comics actually worth a read? I remember liking the character when she was part of the X-Men but never bothered to check out her own series because I heard that she doesn't really act the same in them and that the plots are all very silly and weird.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

Are the Dazzler comics actually worth a read? I remember liking the character when she was part of the X-Men but never bothered to check out her own series because I heard that she doesn't really act the same in them and that the plots are all very silly and weird.

I've never read a Dazzler solo book nor really anything with her in it but I still find it funny that she hold a solo title for 40 issues.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

Dazzler seems like an interesting concept but I know little about her. Makes light of varying collimation from sound, yes?

 

[Anon88]

I've never read a Dazzler solo book nor really anything with her in it but I still find it funny that she hold a solo title for 40 issues.

Yeah Marvel seemed to love her back then but I'm not sure how many fans she really has. There's another miniseries staring her that's going to start later this month maybe it'll turn into another regular series for her if it sells enough.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

maybe it'll turn into another regular series for her if it sells enough.

Which it won't

Marvel seemed to love her back

You know why right? She was originally created to be a fictional muscial act that put out real music like the Archies. The music/TV/Film stuff never got off the ground

 

[Tor Lugosi]

I read some of the original Dazzler on-going during my X-Men read through. I thought it was pretty middling. Not bad at all but it's easy to see why the book never caught on with general audiences and was cancelled around #35 or so. They try to make it more of a standard superhero comic compared to the X-Men, with Alison having a secret identity, trying to juggle her social life and a job while constantly getting dragged into superhero stuff. Dazzler herself was an interesting character but the plots were usually mediocre and her supporting cast wasn't memorable or interesting at all. The plots often felt too over the top for someone like Dazzler, involving Asgard, Galactus, and big government agencies. Should've just had her dealing with street level crime like Spider-Man.

Marvel seemed to have a tough time keeping female focused books going in the '70s and '80s. Dazzler, Ms. Marvel, and Spider-Woman all struggled and were eventually cancelled. I think She-Hulk was their only success.

 

[Commander X]

Yeah, Dazzler was co-created as a cross-promotional multi-media project by Marvel and Casablanca Records, which was supposed to have included a film starring Rodney Dangerfield, Casablanca artists like KISS, Cher, the Village People, Donna Summer, etc. but that and everything else was shelved except for the comic.

Jim Shooter explained it in his own way in this blog entry.

 

[jspit2.0]

I generally like Lemire, but I think he's putting out so much stuff these days the quality is starting to suffer a bit. He's still better than most of the people currently working at DC.

It's getting reprinted later this year. DC seems to be increasing the amount of collected editions they do, which is nice.

He's terrible at team books. So judging from X-men, Justice league, and teen titans that'd be a big miss.

I'll look into the reprints, but it's a matter of what and how? Is DC reprinting good stuff? Is it doing it in nice collections?

Are the Dazzler comics actually worth a read? I remember liking the character when she was part of the X-Men but never bothered to check out her own series because I heard that she doesn't really act the same in them and that the plots are all very silly and weird.

Yeah, Dazzler was co-created as a cross-promotional multi-media project by Marvel and Casablanca Records, which was supposed to have included a film starring Rodney Dangerfield, Casablanca artists like KISS, Cher, the Village People, Donna Summer, etc. but that and everything else was shelved except for the comic.

Jim Shooter explained it in his own way in this blog entry.

I mean she features pretty heavy in Rogues back story #24, Jim Shooter writes a number of issues, and John Romita Jr. draws the series first few issues before Frank Springer comes forward. What's remarkable is how forward facing Dazzler as a property was. It's a cross pollination attempt.

It's mediocre to decent comics. But there are a bunch of these titles at Marvel in this time. Spider-woman is a solid bland comic.

 

[Humble Architect]

He's terrible at team books. So judging from X-men, Justice league, and teen titans that'd be a big miss.

I'll look into the reprints, but it's a matter of what and how? Is DC reprinting good stuff? Is it doing it in nice collections?




I mean she features pretty heavy in Rogues back story #24, Jim Shooter writes a number of issues, and John Romita Jr. draws the series first few issues before Frank Springer comes forward. What's remarkable is how forward facing Dazzler as a property was. It's a cross pollination attempt.

It's mediocre to decent comics. But there are a bunch of these titles at Marvel in this time. Spider-woman is a solid bland comic.

DC is finally reprinting the last, greatest era of Superman.

Triangle Omni is coming soon

 

[RougeRed]

In preparation for Dazzler omni coming in October, I went back and reread some of her stuff. I had no idea she and Galactus had a history lmao at least her being a herald in What If? comic.

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Also completely forgot about her sister.

I know most of Deadpool's stuff is slop by this point, but the time he was the herald was pretty good. A pity I don't have it to post here.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

Are the Dazzler comics actually worth a read? I remember liking the character when she was part of the X-Men but never bothered to check out her own series because I heard that she doesn't really act the same in them and that the plots are all very silly and weird.

They are campy cheesy and dated. Fun. She was seen as a joke in the late 1980s and 90s because disco was seen as all but outdated.

I recall she fucked off to Mojoland until Jean Grey contacted her in 2001 to help her rescue Xavier. She was washed up by then.

She later briefly underwent a Sex Pistols meets P!nk reinvention before being killed and subsequently brought back to life by Sage and New Excalibur. She eventually.went back to blonde long hair. I think she does Gaga esque electronic and trance type music.

She is also Shatterstar's mother. She was with Longshot for a while. I have no idea if he still makes appearances.

Dazzler seems like an interesting concept but I know little about her. Makes light of varying collimation from sound, yes?

Yeah. She can convert sound into light. If you are going to attack her, do not do it in a nightclub because you'll probably be collecting disability checks for the rest of your life. Basically she is as powerful as Storm and Jean if need be. She accidentally blew most of white Betsy Braddock's face off once.

When Emma Frost needed to deal with Black Bolt, she didn't call on just anyone. She called  her.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

They are campy cheesy and dated. Fun. She was seen as a joke in the late 1980s and 90s because disco was seen as all but outdated.

I recall she fucked off to Mojoland until Jean Grey contacted her in 2001 to help her rescue Xavier. She was washed up by then.

She later briefly underwent a Sex Pistols meets P!nk reinvention before being killed and subsequently brought back to life by Sage and New Excalibur. She eventually.went back to blonde long hair. I think she does Gaga esque electronic and trance type music.

She is also Shatterstar's mother. She was with Longshot for a while. I have no idea if he still makes appearances.

Yeah. She can convert sound into light. If you are going to attack her, do not do it in a nightclub because you'll probably be collecting disability checks for the rest of your life. Basically she is as powerful as Storm and Jean if need be. She accidentally blew most of white Betsy Braddock's face off once.

When Emma Frost needed to deal with Black Bolt, she didn't call on just anyone. She called  her.

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How is it that it took that shitty Inhumans show to have Black Bolt actually use sign language?

Also if I was in charge of Marvel, I would try to make a Dazzler solo title be a substanable book that runs for a 50+ issues. For no reason other then why, not

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

So I was lurking around X a month or so again and noticed some Wally West stans rejoicing that DC pushed Barry Allen into the background. Personally, I don't mind it as Josh Williamson's run felt like a bookend to Barry's ongoing storyline and Jeremy Adam's run fully redeemed Wally after the shit DC put him through after Rebirth. However, there appears to be a subset of the fandom that has a visceral hatred of Barry and Silver Age characters in general. This extends to Hal Jordan as well as there are DCAU fans who "REEEEEE!" about John Stewart being the best Green Lantern ever. Many of them enjoy bringing up Emerald Twilight, which had been controversial in its day with some autist paying for a full-page ad in Wizard magazine demanding the reinstatement of Hal and the Corps.

I suppose what grinds my gears is that the DCAU raised a cohort of fans who believed that Wally and John were always the default Flash and Green Lantern when the truth was more complex. One of the reasons why Wally grew in popularity with fans to the point of exceeding Barry was because he was the sidekick that grew into his mentor's mantle. He spent the first 75 issues of his run struggling with imposter's syndrome because he and Barry weren't on good terms when the latter died. Take Barry out of the equation and Wally is effectively incomplete as a character. As for John, he was essentially an "angry black man" stereotype that DC mellowed out aft Hal quit the Corps. If anything, John was as relatively flat as pre-Rebirth Hal that DC pushed into the background (and even briefly crippled) after Emerald Twilight. They only made him a Green Lantern again because he was the GL on the animated series, a decision made--in part--to sidestep the Hal vs. Kyle debate as some fans were displeased that Kyle was the GL on Superman: The Animated Series.

This is only my opinion, but I still find John largely a flat character though he has his badass moments. I generally find Hal more engaging because he is more charismatic with a rebellious (you could say willful) streak without being boorish like Guy Gardener. As for Wally, I'll say that I find him more ground than Barry with an acerbic wit, but Barry is still the standard-bearer who deserves respect. Jeremy Adams even put him front and center during the One Minute War, so someone can do something interesting with him. Barry can explore the multiverse with Justice League Incarnate and Wally can stay on Earth-0 to have his own adventures. Take the W without being antagonistic. Dan DiDio is gone and he can no longer continue his character assassinations of Wally and Dick.

 

[Prehistoric Jazz]

So I was lurking around X a month or so again and noticed some Wally West stans rejoicing that DC pushed Barry Allen into the background. Personally, I don't mind it as Josh Williamson's run felt like a bookend to Barry's ongoing storyline and Jeremy Adam's run fully redeemed Wally after the shit DC put him through after Rebirth. However, there appears to be a subset of the fandom that has a visceral hatred of Barry and Silver Age characters in general. This extends to Hal Jordan as well as there are DCAU fans who "REEEEEE!" about John Stewart being the best Green Lantern ever. Many of them enjoy bringing up Emerald Twilight, which had been controversial in its day with some autist paying for a full-page ad in Wizard magazine demanding the reinstatement of Hal and the Corps.

I don't know how anyone can hate Barry, but I do prefer Wally. Largely as a result of the incredible DCAU Rosenbaum version, but his comics did have some awesome stories with really nice art. I liked the rogues during his run as well.

Never thought John Stewart was the best green lantern, but I like him. Mostly because his ego let him fuck up and lose a planet under his protection, and his inability to properly deal with that was sometimes interesting. Hal and Alan were the Prime GLs, and Kyle could be compelling as well at times. Before they retconned him to be gay, I think Alan was my favorite. I loved the JSA in the 2000s.

Dan DiDio is gone and he can no longer continue his character assassinations of Wally and Dick.

Thankfully. Didiot was a apt name for him.

 

[Clyde Cash's Left Teste]

If anything, John was as relatively flat as pre-Rebirth Hal that DC pushed into the background (and even briefly crippled) after Emerald Twilight. They only made him a Green Lantern again because he was the GL on the animated series, a decision made--in part--to sidestep the Hal vs. Kyle debate as some fans were displeased that Kyle was the GL on Superman: The Animated Series.

I love that Brave and the Bold made Guy Gardner as their go-to Lantern. Honestly, most of the Human lanterns got some love in the cartoons.

So I was lurking around X a month or so again and noticed some Wally West stans rejoicing that DC pushed Barry Allen into the background. Personally, I don't mind it as Josh Williamson's run felt like a bookend to Barry's ongoing storyline and Jeremy Adam's run fully redeemed Wally after the shit DC put him through after Rebirth. However, there appears to be a subset of the fandom that has a visceral hatred of Barry and Silver Age characters in general. This extends to Hal Jordan as well as there are DCAU fans who "REEEEEE!" about John Stewart being the best Green Lantern ever. Many of them enjoy bringing up Emerald Twilight, which had been controversial in its day with some autist paying for a full-page ad in Wizard magazine demanding the reinstatement of Hal and the Corps.

How DC fixed Wally shows how you can fix all the damage done to a character and Marvel needs to take notes for Spider-Man. Jeremy Adam's needs to be on ASM to fix it.

Wally is my favorate Flash followed by Jay with Barry third. Honestly, I don't think I hate any of the Earth Prime flashes, even Ace I'm cool with.

 

[Alexander Thaut]

I love that Brave and the Bold made Guy Gardner as their go-to Lantern. Honestly, most of the Human lanterns got some love in the cartoons.

the only one's missing are Alan and Simon Baz. Simon kinda doesn't count.

How DC fixed Wally shows how you can fix all the damage done to a character and Marvel needs to take notes for Spider-Man. Jeremy Adam's needs to be on ASM to fix it.

Wally is my favorate Flash followed by Jay with Barry third. Honestly, I don't think I hate any of the Earth Prime flashes, even Ace I'm cool with.

my issue is that we have too many Flashes and not enough team books to hold them all.

It was easier when it was just Jay, Wally, Bart. With the occasion of Jesse Quick or Max Mercury popping in. Each of the classic Flashes had their own reverse-Flash. Now we have like 15 -25 speedsters if we also include the villains and side ones like Red/Blue Trinity.

 

[HodgePodgeRogerDodger]

They are campy cheesy and dated. Fun. She was seen as a joke in the late 1980s and 90s because disco was seen as all but outdated.

I recall she fucked off to Mojoland until Jean Grey contacted her in 2001 to help her rescue Xavier. She was washed up by then.

She later briefly underwent a Sex Pistols meets P!nk reinvention before being killed and subsequently brought back to life by Sage and New Excalibur. She eventually.went back to blonde long hair. I think she does Gaga esque electronic and trance type music.

She is also Shatterstar's mother. She was with Longshot for a while. I have no idea if he still makes appearances.

Yeah. She can convert sound into light. If you are going to attack her, do not do it in a nightclub because you'll probably be collecting disability checks for the rest of your life. Basically she is as powerful as Storm and Jean if need be. She accidentally blew most of white Betsy Braddock's face off once.

When Emma Frost needed to deal with Black Bolt, she didn't call on just anyone. She called  her.

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Black Bolt’s power isn’t sound related, it’s just connected to his speech. Kind of like how Cyclops power is connected to his eyes, but isn’t him reflecting a certain spectrum of light from his eyes or intensifying it.

I like those types of powers in fiction and it pisses me off when writers ruin it. I like Undead Unluck for this reason, the external targeting powers have rules around how they work.

 

[Jetpack Himmler]

I don't know how anyone can hate Barry, but I do prefer Wally.

If I had to speculate, I would say it is misplaced anger as Dan DiDio did everything in his power to sideline Wally. Reading Flash comics between Infinite and Final Crisis was a painful experience. First they aged up Bart Allen to force him into the role and unceremoniously killed him off after fans revolted. Mark Waid's abrupt departure hobbled Wally's "grand" return right out of the gate, which paved the way for Barry's return. Of course, it didn't help that Flash: Rebirth massively shilled Barry followed by him fucking up the timeline in Flashpoint. Then the New 52 effectively erased Wally and the Flash family, which only led to more (justified) complaints.

Barry was never a bad character, just a product of his time when DC didn't engage in the same character drama as Marvel. However, it is worth noting that Reverse-Flash killed Iris West-Allen in 1979 (she got better) and Barry later snapped his neck after he attempt to murder his fiancé. It was the drawn-out "Trial of the Flash" that led to the title's cancellation, though it gave Barry a happy ending by revealing that Iris survived via time travel shenanigans and let him retire in the 30th century...

...until DC saw fit to kill him off in Crisis on Infinite Earths. What some fans don't know is that Mark Wolfman didn't want to kill him, but editorial handed him a list and his hands were tied. He did provide him with a "back door" where he could be plucked from his final race since he was traveling through time, but no one picked up that ball. However, with the introduction of the Speed Force and Wally's return, there was always a remote possibility that Barry could too. No one dared do it until 2008.

With all that said, DC should just go with what Cary Bates did forty years ago: have Barry go into semi-retirement with Iris and chill out in the future with their kids. He can still go on missions with Justice League Incarnate (as I have suggested) and return to help out the rest of the Flash family on occasion.

 

[Arthur Morgan]

Of course, it didn't help that Flash: Rebirth massively shilled Barry followed by him fucking up the timeline in Flashpoint.

Flash Rebirth is where a lot of the hate came from, and it only go worse after it.

For all the problems with Hal, Green Lantern: Rebirth worked and was a success, bringing Hal back and kicking off Johns' run on the title with a new direction and an old character coming back to the world, trying to rebuild his old city, and expanding on the mythology of the Green Lantern Corps. I didn't read Flash, but from everything I've heard, it didn't succeed the same way, which bothered Johns because he assumed it'd be exactly like GLR. Then Didio demanded that Flashpoint, which was just supposed to be an arc like the Sinestro Corps War, be this big event that launched the New 52, which no one was prepared for and didn't work because it was thrown together last minute.

I feel like had DC accepted that Barry wasn't going to get a good reception like Hal did and brought back Wally, having them both together like the Green Lanterns, Barry would have been fine. But they kept doubling down, and it just made things worse for the character.