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I've been reading the IDW adaptations of the first few Drizzt novels. I really like them a lot, the art is great and the writing is already taken care of by Salvatore to begin with. I wish the same creative team had continued adapting the rest of the series.
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
loved Supreme Power and Squadron Supreme
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To a point. JMS has limits due to his politics, in that he's able to see most sides. But he's very moralistic, despite being very atheist personally. So everything he does he's looking for good guys and bad guys. His Squadron was building toward that, with him trying to build the anti-lex luthor in that Hyperion mini only for Joe Quesada and company to ruin things.

I can't criticize it to heavily, because I don't know where it goes. We literally got only the first and second act before Marvel fucked it over.

Grunwald's stuff on that was awesome.

Jetpack Himmler said:
Reading this makes me wish that there was more demand for more reprints of Conway's run on Firestorm beyond Volume 1 and some of the Flash backups. While the character is vastly OP compared to Spider-Man, there are some strong similarities in tone and the book (until around the third year of volume 2) is something I'd recommend if you liked Spider in the seventies and eighties.
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For Spidy post Ditko I usually like Marv Wolfman on the Amazing title and Bill Mantlo in the early 80s on Spectacular.
 
Yeah, and I'm a sucker for Gary Frank art.

The original series was great. And I enjoyed the new Hyperion the Avengers had introduced back some years ago, that survived the end of two universes colliding. The last thing they did with him in the new Heroes Reborn had some moments, but this latest bullshit where he was going to destroy earth because Blade and the others uncovered Coulson/Mephistos' fuckery was ridiculous. Is that supposed to be the same Hyperion? There's been like 5 or 6 of them now.
 
Prehistoric Jazz said:
Yeah, and I'm a sucker for Gary Frank art.

The original series was great. And I enjoyed the new Hyperion the Avengers had introduced back some years ago, that survived the end of two universes colliding. The last thing they did with him in the new Heroes Reborn had some moments, but this latest bullshit where he was going to destroy earth because Blade and the others uncovered Coulson/Mephistos' fuckery was ridiculous. Is that supposed to be the same Hyperion? There's been like 5 or 6 of them now.
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Man he's good. Good expressions, solid detail.

He was wasted on Hulk. It's maddening. Then he became Geoff Johns boy. Rebirth, (Shit) Doomsday Clock (Shit), NuShazam (shit), Superman secret Origins (bleh book doomed to be lost), Brainiac (okay book), Legion Super (terrible), Seriously. A decade just lost.
 
Clyde Cash's Left Teste said:
Injustice was just a poor man's Squadron Supreme
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Injustice has some cool moments.

Spoilers below.

Year 2 - Superman realizing that the Guardians inaction let Krypton explode. Superman shoving Ganthet and Mogo the Living Planet into the Sun.
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Year 3 - Constantine. That's it.

Year 4 - Shazam wiping the floor with most of the Old Gods, then Zeus swoops in and deprives him of his powers.
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Seeing as spooky month is upon us, any halloween\horror comic reccomendations? I recently read a legacy of violence thinking it was a slasher comic (talk about judging a book by it's cover) and was extremely disappointed. I'm on the 2nd issue of baby teeth, then gonna read the king in yellow gn.
 
jspit2.0 said:
To a point. JMS has limits due to his politics, in that he's able to see most sides. But he's very moralistic, despite being very atheist personally. So everything he does he's looking for good guys and bad guys. His Squadron was building toward that, with him trying to build the anti-lex luthor in that Hyperion mini only for Joe Quesada and company to ruin things.

I can't criticize it to heavily, because I don't know where it goes. We literally got only the first and second act before Marvel fucked it over.

Grunwald's stuff on that was awesome.
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I read them at the time and I don't remember the details but like you said they really took a nose dive. What happened in the comic that made it so shit?
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 said:
I read them at the time and I don't remember the details but like you said they really took a nose dive. What happened in the comic that made it so shit?
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Marvel/editorial. They insisted on it leaving the adult imprint...which neutered it. That and it was really popular, like allot of what JMS did. So Marvel fucked with it.
 
jspit2.0 said:
Marvel/editorial. They insisted on it leaving the adult imprint...which neutered it. That and it was really popular, like allot of what JMS did. So Marvel fucked with it.
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Any specifics? I just remember a feeling of it suddenly starting to thread water and not going anywhere storywise, then there was something about earth-1610.

A friend wanted to get back into comics and asked if I knew of anything interesting and I suggested Supreme/Squadron so he bought the collected albums shortly before the ongoing went to shit and I still feel a bit bad about that.
 
It was a really interesting reboot with top level art, and the new versions of the characters could've worked well in cinema. Then that meddling happened, then Gary Frank got to go work on actual Superman instead of Hyperion, and his work there was great. Reeve face, Brainiac, etc. Then Marvel decided to stick marvel analogues in their world of DC analogues with garbage art, it all really shit the bed.
 
Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 said:
Any specifics? I just remember a feeling of it suddenly starting to thread water and not going anywhere storywise, then there was something about earth-1610.
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Which part?

So you have the original 18 issues. You have the mini which gave Frank time to breath.

All under Max.

Then you have Squadron Supreme a year later with Frank and JMS. Now Marvel Knights. There was an interview where JMS went over his reputation on series and he got irate, because he developed a rep of 'quitting' series mid run and this is one of them. He responded they moved the book from the adult imprint to Marvel Knights. That was it, he felt hamstrung and quit. Later, he would agree to half ass a third of Supreme Power, which sounds like what you mean. That...was Bendis and Loeb wanting to steal Squadrons thunder. People forget just how electric Supreme Power was.

That was JMS entire time at Marvel. His run on Amazing, Thor, etc. Joe Q fucking ran wrecking balls through things.

Smaug's Smokey Hole 2 said:
A friend wanted to get back into comics and asked if I knew of anything interesting and I suggested Supreme/Squadron so he bought the collected albums shortly before the ongoing went to shit and I still feel a bit bad about that.
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I wouldn't. Even unfinished it's good stuff up until SS. Just view it as an ambiguous end?

Prehistoric Jazz said:
It was a really interesting reboot with top level art, and the new versions of the characters could've worked well in cinema. Then that meddling happened, then Gary Frank got to go work on actual Superman instead of Hyperion, and his work there was great. Reeve face, Brainiac, etc. Then Marvel decided to stick marvel analogues in their world of DC analogues with garbage art, it all really shit the bed.
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Forget the cinemas, it was a gripping read. Then Frank went to DC, which to be fair he was always a better fit. I just hate he's drawn bad collaborators.

Speaking of, he did a collab on Midnight Nation over at Top Cow. It's a little deeper and not superheroes. but you could do worse.
 
I held a deep fascination for Earth-712 (OG Squadron's Earth) for decades due in part that despite the heavy DC influence, there were plenty of Marvel staples in that universe. One of SS's founding members was an analogue of the Super-Skrull who gave Doctor Spectrum his prism, making him a stand-in for both the Martian Manhunter and Abin Sur. Zarda's people, the Utopians, were the result of Kree experimentation making them that universe's version of the Inhumans. There were references to Galactus, the Scarlet Centurion was an alternate identity of Kang, and Hyperion was an Eternal. Part of me wished there was some analogue of the Teen Titans because New World Order introduced the adopted son of Nighthawk who would be an analogue of Dick Grayson.

Though of lesser note, I liked how they changed the city and state names to give that world a little flavor. For example...

Cosmopolis, New Troy = NYC, New York
Wyandota = Michigan
Winnebago = Wisconsin (Maybe?)
 
Dazzler is coming sooooon. And yes the letters pages are indeed intact. There is a concept sketch of her at the back in the extras section. Apparently she was almost a Grace Jones type but the staff saw 10 with Bo Derek. So they went with the latter.

I heard that an upcoming collected New Mutants might be censored. Specifically, from the Micronaut x-men crossover where a possessed Xavier basically rapes (?) Dani Moonstar and creepily hits on Kitty Pryde. I have no idea why they did this in the comics. Its cringeworthy.
 
Scarlett Johansson said:
Dazzler is coming sooooon. And yes the letters pages are indeed intact. There is a concept sketch of her at the back in the extras section. Apparently she was almost a Grace Jones type but the staff saw 10 with Bo Derek. So they went with the latter.

I heard that an upcoming collected New Mutants might be censored. Specifically, from the Micronaut x-men crossover where a possessed Xavier basically rapes (?) Dani Moonstar and creepily hits on Kitty Pryde. I have no idea why they did this in the comics. Its cringeworthy.
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there's a lot of 70s-80s era X-men stuff that's just weird in hindsight, or thankfully got stopped before being made canon.

one of them was the idea that destiny and mystique were lovers and Mystique's shapeshifting allowed her to impregnate Destiny to make Nightcrawler and etc.
 
I also recall Xavier being horny for Jean Grey. And it started just as she moved in. People thought the Scott/Logan/Jean poly thing was retarded but in essence its so much better being with those two guys than having Professor Xavier lust for you.
 
Humble Architect said:
Look at Reed and Susan in the background, like they’d be there after these mutie scumbags tried to fill their son’s head full of nonsense and then brain-raped Reed.

I fucking hate the X-Men so much
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being lesbians makes up for the fact that they're both criminals/terrorists who have undoubtedly led to many deaths and untold suffering, bigot
 
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