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Anon88 said:
I really hate the way marvel treats dying. It cheapens the stories so much when they just bring all the dead people back in the end as if it didn’t really matter at all.
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I'm just here waiting for the day when Marvel goes for the complete retard option of resurrecting Uncle Ben. You just know that somebody in the office is considering it at this very moment.
 
Bloodrage said:
I'm just here waiting for the day when Marvel goes for the complete retard option of resurrecting Uncle Ben. You just know that somebody in the office is considering it at this very moment.
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At this point Spider-Man is just going to be a constant loop of someone who's been dead for decades being revived or alive in a new continuity, finding some new convoluted way to keep Peter and MJ apart and then they wonder why manga is leaving them in the dust.
 
Tor Lugosi said:
I remember Joe Quesada's original idea for One More Day was to reset Peter's life back to college and bring back Gwen, so that he could 'restore' the Betty and Veronica dynamic (that never actually existed) between MJ and Gwen vying for Peter. I wonder if this is another attempt at that retarded shit.
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As much as I hate to agree with Linkara, that might actually have been the best idea considering that no one wants Peter to be a spider MAN. They want him to remain a kid, which was only a tiny part of his entire history, so they can have him endlessly fucking up and living with his aunt. If he was a college kid again, that'd fit better than him being in his thirties and still acting like a kid.

Just let him be an adult. Bring in an alternate universe Peter who's still a kid and have him be the second Spider-Man being mentored by the older one, who can be married to MJ. You have both around and the writers can tell stories about young Pete being a fuck up while the fans can enjoy old Peter being more mature and getting a happy ending. Sure, the whole clone saga fiasco ended that when they planned on having clone Pete married to MJ go off and leave single Pete but you could always try it again.
Bloodrage said:
I'm just here waiting for the day when Marvel goes for the complete retard option of resurrecting Uncle Ben. You just know that somebody in the office is considering it at this very moment.
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There used to be a rule in comics. "There are three characters you never bring back: Uncle Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky Barnes." Considering two of them were resurrected I'm a little surprised no one has brought back Ben.
 
Arthur Morgan said:
Just let him be an adult. Bring in an alternate universe Peter who's still a kid and have him be the second Spider-Man being mentored by the older one, who can be married to MJ. You have both around and the writers can tell stories about young Pete being a fuck up while the fans can enjoy old Peter being more mature and getting a happy ending. Sure, the whole clone saga fiasco ended that when they planned on having clone Pete married to MJ go off and leave single Pete but you could always try it again.
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The latest Ultimate comics kinda do that, with an adult and married Peter. Not sure how long it will last...

Arthur Morgan said:
There used to be a rule in comics. "There are three characters you never bring back: Uncle Ben, Jason Todd, and Bucky Barnes." Considering two of them were resurrected I'm a little surprised no one has brought back Ben.
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Do alternate timelines count for Ben? I'm sure there's one timeline where Ben becomes Spidey after Peter dies. I would add Fritz the Cat in that list, as there's a 0% chance of a modern work featuring that guy (barring indie shit).
 
Newcomer 42 said:
The latest Ultimate comics kinda do that, with an adult and married Peter. Not sure how long it will last...


Do alternate timelines count for Ben? I'm sure there's one timeline where Ben becomes Spidey after Peter dies. I would add Fritz the Cat in that list, as there's a 0% chance of a modern work featuring that guy (barring indie shit).
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I think they'll be okay with Ultimate Peter being married because it's an alt universe. Like how Mayday Parker was an alternate universe too.

Speaking of which, no I'd say that doesn't count. Only the mainline stuff does.
 
Well, we know what they're doing with Gwen Stacy.

Marvel Comics Hits New Low, Confirms Gwen Stacy To Be Revived As Earth-616 Gwenpool In New Mini From ‘Star Wars: The High Republic’ Series Writer Cavan Scott
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I mean, wasn't one of the misconceptions that was addressed about the Gwenpool character was that she wasn't an alternative version of Gwen Stacy?


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She looks like a Wish dot com Wolverine and I do mean Logan.

Who is this supposed to appeal to, unless this is a stealth remake of the Silverwolf Comics/Greater Mercury Comics character Grips

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I'm guessing it's one of the multiple Gwen clones that have been seen running around since right after the original Clone Saga.

Or . . . it is the original Gwen, and Marvel's hoping hoping that having her back with Peter for real will end the calls to undo One More Day (notwithstanding that the Hal Jordan proponents didn't stop calling for his return as Green Lantern until it happened).
 
ah, yes, the girl who would often break down into hysterics when she thought about Peter being in danger is going to be a bad ass murderous superheroine
 
As promised, I'm here to talk about Ron Marz.

I recently read volumes 3 through 8 of the Silver Surfer Epic Collections. These collect Englehart (vols. 3-5), Starlin (vols. 5-6) and the first half of Ron Marz's (vols. 7-8 ) run on the character.

Steve Englehart

Englehart's run was my favorite. From the very first issue, Englehart develops the larger universe around Silver Surfer. He introduces the Elders, the Soul Gems, the escalating conflict between the Kree and Skrulls, Captain Reptyl and Clumsy Foulup, and, of course, Surfer's slow walk towards humanity in his relationships with Shalla-Bal, Mantis and Nova. Englehart deftly balances pulpy sci-fi action with larger conceptual characters. In one issue, Surfer is caught in the middle of a huge fleet battle between the Skrull and the Kree, in the next he's contemplating the inherent nature of different species.

Englehart's Surfer is a rage monster. He doesn't hesitate to fuck shit up. The ultimate resolution of Englehart's run is not the Surfer coming to grips with his past and getting over his guilt, but being ever so briefly given godhood by The Stranger.

Englehart's run starts off rough in large part because of the absolute shit artists they saddle him with, but then Ron Lim takes over around issue 15 and redefines the look of Surfer and the universe. Lim's artwork is a product of its time (late 80s Marvel house style), but he does a lot to emphasize the breadth and scope of the universe surrounding Silver Surfer. I can't imagine the book without him. Englehart's run feels like a complete 30 issue story during a time when things like long-form storytelling simply wasn't a thing in American superhero comics.

9/10

Jim Starlin

When Starlin takes over, all of Englehart's world building is immediately thrown out and the book narrows its focus to two characters: Surfer and Thanos. Thanos is your classic mastermind character. He has plans within plans. He toys with the hero when he can very easily kill him at any time. Every setback is just a ruse to throw the hero off. Etc. Etc. Everything that happens in Starlin's run is a prelude to the Infinity Gauntlet. But that also means that a lot of issues just feel like Starlin is spinning his wheels until Infinity Gauntlet is ready. Surfer gets trapped in the Soul gem for two issues. Thanos fakes his own death to throw Surfer off his trail for five issues. Surfer is trapped on a planet for three issues. The Impossible Man shows up for two issues to tell Surfer he will never defeat Thanos if he can't crack a smile.

The best Starlin issues outside Thanos's resurrection is the three issues where Surfer gets trapped on a planet. The plot is simple: Thanos is apparently dead. While wandering the cosmos, Surfer gets a message that Thanos left something for him in his will. So Surfer flies over to the planet to investigate and ultimately gets trapped there because the planet's currency is energy and all of Surfer's energy is drained upon arrival. Surfer then spends the next three issues trying to navigate an oppressive government bureaucracy (and failing) before figuring out a way to break free. The message of the story is "CORPORATIONS BAD!" but its good, classic sci-fi in spite of Starlin's retarded politics.

Starlin's Surfer is a pacifist, and Starlin begins the rather tedious trend of all of Surfer's character growth being in the form of getting over his guilt. Several issues end with the exact same plot point of Surfer declaring that he's finally gotten over his guilt and can move on to the next chapter in his life. Sadly, this trend continues into Marz's run.

All-in-all, Thanos is a fun character. He's a mastermind villain before mastermind villains became the mark of bad writing. Not everything lands, but the things that do are pretty solid.

8/10

Ron Marz

Ron Marz takes over after Starlin. Marz takes Surfer's pacifism to the extreme. Surfer went from blowing away tens of thousands of Kree during Englehart's run, to basically refusing to fight anyone for any reason. Drax goes from single-minded to retarded. We get some rather unnecessary detail about how Thanos killed his mother. And, for fucks sake, he kills Nova. During Englehart's run, Surfer is constantly remarking about how Galactus favors Nova and treats her better than he ever treated any previous herald. Then, during Marz run, all that's thrown out and Galactus never treated her like anything other than dirt. Then Marz fucking kills her for no reason.

Marz's writing can best be described as "serviceable." Gone is the depth of Englehart's run and the fun of Starlin's run. Marz is the kind of guy who, were he not Starlin's acolyte, would be relegated to writing fill-in issues and annuals. There's just nothing here that adds to the character of Silver Surfer or the greater Marvel universe.

6.5/10
 
Gwen is an interesting character even though Mary Jane is superior. Bringing her back to life is unnecessary and a terrible idea. This isn't someone like say Jean Grey or Bucky Barnes. Those two have context and such that explains why they are back. Plus a lot of foreshadowing. There really is no point to bringing her back. Also isn't Spider Gwen and Gwenpool supposed to be her anyway?
 
BetterFuckChuck said:
Counterpoint: bringing gwen back and making her a coalburner would really piss off the peter and gwen shippers
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Hasn't she already been retroactively depicted fucking black guys, or is that just au shit. Either way gwen has already spiritually been blacked via those shit Spider-Verse movies.
 
Gunter x Gunter said:
Hasn't she already been retroactively depicted fucking black guys, or is that just au shit. Either way gwen has already spiritually been blacked via those shit Spider-Verse movies.
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You say that, then you find out about Miles VA from those movies that threw a hissy fit over Gwen's VA going steady / getting engaged with another dude, and he wrote a bunch of Tweets on how he was the right one for her and stuff along those lines.
 
The fact that Black Spiderman's character AND voice actor are both annoying was hilarious. The fact that his alternate universe's self is a super-villain, just like that, is also telling, if unintentional.
 
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