Spider-Man into the Spiderverse

Jewelsmakerguy said:
A large part of that is because of the whole "THE OSCARS ARE TOO WHITE!" complaints. And having WiR2 or Incredibles 2 would piss off both, the people wanting a more diverse ceremony and the people getting tired of Disney's hold of the "Best Animated Feature" category.
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It was an indisputably better movie than Wreck it Ralph and Incredibles.
 
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StarkRavingMad said:
I noticed how the topic of race was pretty much not mentioned with this film or its marketing. The most I heard were some of the voice actors in one interview saying a sentence or two about "representation." That was it, though. And when they talked about that representation, they didn't pull a Brie Larson by alienating everyone else.

It's as if the film didn't need identity politics to tell people to love it. It's as if the film earned its reputation for just being really freaking good. Funny how that works!


@2odastream I couldn't agree more. Miles Morales was always an underwhelming character to me. I never got the hype. That's because Miles was always just "Black Peter Parker." The proof is obvious: The Peter Parker we see in the MCU utilizes a lot of Miles' stuff from the comics (like the best friend), yet many comic book fans say that it's the most "accurate" version of Peter Parker we've seen on the big screen. That, to me, showcases how zero creativity was put into Miles' characterization ...

... Until this movie, that is. This is one of those rare instances where the movie completely outshines the comics in every way imaginable. When someone mentions Miles Morales to me, I think of this movie; not the comics. This movie made me a Miles fan.
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An useful thing to keep in mind is "Miles Morales" as social media sees him is a completely different character from Miles Morales. Social media would make you think Miles is "Spider-Man: KANGZ edition" meanwhile he's ironically way more whitebread than Parker ever was. Big school for smart kids, government agent father, other superheroes always watching over him, no money issues, not too much issue with other kids, and none of the emotional or personality problems Peter had. He's just a (relatively) well-off kid who got spider-powers and decided to be a hero because that's just what you do even if he has little reason to do it anymore. Moving him to the main Marvel universe also took away his gimmick of being one of the few good people left in a war torn world.

I've heard the movie changes him up a little, namely the dad being a cop instead of an active SHIELD agent, but I always cringe at social media posts going "MILES MORALES, HERE TO REPRESENT US NIGGAS AND LATINOS!" because he's pretty divorced from that and his Puerto Rican background is rarely brought up. He canonically has issues with being labeled as such too.

An easy assumption would be people's racism is showing by automatically linking a (half) black character to "GREW UP ON THE STREETS™" but I don't know, it's just very strange.
 
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Yeah Miles in the film is shown to be super happy with his life and comfortable with his identity not as a Puerto Rican KANG, but as a guy from Brooklyn. He loves living there and his friends he has, and going to this big school sort of pulls him out of his element. He does talk Spanish with his mother though in some scenes. A nice touch, but nothing that alienates literally anyone that isn't a Puerto Rican.

Peter Parker I've seen unironically called "a white supremacist character" (this was on a moviebob comment section, btw, the hive mind of intellectuals), whereas it's exactly the opposite. Peter's a young boy forced to become a man to support his aunt, he faces money troubles, poverty and his constant social rejection from the world as both his identities negatively affect his mental health. He's what minorities on Twitter glorify themselves as all the time, a neurotic wreck.

However, Spider-Man is a bit of a '60s character. I don't think many young people will relate to money troubles today as they did back when it first came out. He's still a great character and he's been modernised a lot, but he relates more to a college aged young adult audience rather than the teen audience that originally flocked to the book. Miles, on the other hand, at least in this film is a lot more like what you'd expect a teen to be like.

One of the things I loved about this film is how they set Miles up. Miles is an audience member through and through, be you a cumskin a nibba a straw hat or a street shitter, Miles is you. The reason why is because Miles shares one important trait that most people watching will share: he's a Spidey fan, and he looks up to him. There's other stuff like how he relaxes when alone, his creativity, and his overbearing dad which are all traits that anyone can relate to at that age no matter the race but the fan of Spider-Man turned Spider-Man aspect is the most important and what makes the character click like he hasn't in the comics.

Also he can say the n word, which makes him pretty powerful.

If this movie were to suck hard in an alternate universe, the one change you could make to have it all fall apart would be to make Miles not a fan of Spider-Man. If he was some arrogant little shit that gave Peter grief and was trying to prove he could surpass him, then the movie would be a pretty droll and cringeworthy experience. It'd make him unrelatable to everyone except hardcore twitter twits.

I do find it funny that Miles is "so relatableeeeee" to these people on social media, as you mentioned, because that kind of shows that maybe their lives aren't all that bad if they can relate to a guy who's doing pretty well for himself, experiences no racist pushback of any kind and is pretty well off. Tho I don't expect them to know anything about Miles or Peter comic wise, and just absorb most of their knowledge through pop culture osmosis.

Sidenote: I bet you weren't expect this meme of a forum user to actually analyse a piece of media semi-competently? I'm full of surprises when I'm not thread-shitting.
 
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KillThemCrackasBabies said:
lmao what

Was there any explanation for this, or they just said it as a matter of fact?
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Yeah no explanation. It was on Bob's "REAL Marvel Agenda" video, where he white knights all the characters that don't have books now.

Another thing: I forgot to mention that the way I came to this conclusion was when I realised that Spider-Man merching himself out (with christmas albums, comics,etc.) is their way of establishing that he's a brand just like in the real world, which makes us relate to Miles all the more because let's face it we've all grown up in a world filled with tacky Spider-Man merch
 
Just threw this on tonight, and was pleasantly surprised. The visuals being so damn over the top works really well, the characters were charming and funny, and this was the best stealth Nick Cage movie ever.

Movies like this (and the first Deadpool, and Guardians of the Galaxy), make me somewhat annoyed that most of the rest of the MCU/adjacent movies is really fucking bland. There's interesting material there, but you gotta take a few risks.

And/or make me bleed from the eyes a little bit. Super glad I didn't watch this on the big screen, since the ending sequence especially gave me a killer headache. Worth it for the visual insanity though.
 
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Your Weird Fetish said:
So finally saw this. It's getting a sequel right? It didn't do shit at the box office, right? Because this was better than any of the other Marvel movies in...uh. Well, a really long time.
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It did good enough for Sony to warrant an all-female spin off, and before you rate horrifying it's starring the original '70s Spider-Woman. I don't think it's going to be as doomed as Carol Manvers, as Jessica Drew is actually cool.
 
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2odastream said:
It did good enough for Sony to warrant an all-female spin off, and before you rate horrifying it's starring the original '70s Spider-Woman. I don't think it's going to be as doomed as Carol Manvers, as Jessica Drew is actually cool.
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If it's the same team I'm not gonna be too worried but weird decision to not have Miles or Spiderman 2099.
 
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Your Weird Fetish said:
If it's the same team I'm not gonna be too worried but weird decision to not have Miles or Spiderman 2099.
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Well it is a spin off, but the weirdest decision I think is apparently Silk is gonna be the third wheel - Silk! Why not Anya Corazon or literally anyone else? Silk! Why?
 
I'm not familiar with Silk, I'm the kind of faggot all the shitty old callbacks like the spider mobile was for. I only knew that there was a Gwen Stacy Spiderman through cultural osmosis. What's wrong with Silk?
 
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I'm not familiar with Silk, I'm the kind of faggot all the shitty old callbacks like the spider mobile was for. I only knew that there was a Gwen Stacy Spiderman through cultural osmosis. What's wrong with Silk?
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Silk is a fairly recent character created by Dan "SJW Spider-Man and Doc Ock is my self insert" Slott, from what I'm familar she's a girl that was stuck in a bunker since the '90s with Spider powers. Not only are all of Slott's female characters fucking awfully written by him but the concept is borderline exceptional. It's like a worse version of Drew's origin.
 
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To be fair wasn't Miles Morales SJW trash before this film? There are no bad concepts, just bad executions.

EDIT: Oh I wanted to mention this. Am I the only one that found the lack of acknowledgement between Peter B. Parker and Spider-Gwen weird? I mean it would be wrong to spend a lot of time on it but given how significant Gwen's death was to the original Spider Man it seems like a big omission for there to be literally no reaction. Or maybe I'm just an old fag.
 
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Your Weird Fetish said:
To be fair wasn't Miles Morales SJW trash before this film? There are no bad concepts, just bad executions.

EDIT: Oh I wanted to mention this. Am I the only one that found the lack of acknowledgement between Peter B. Parker and Spider-Gwen weird? I mean it would be wrong to spend a lot of time on it but given how significant Gwen's death was to the original Spider Man it seems like a big omission for there to be literally no reaction. Or maybe I'm just an old fag.
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I suppose, but the idea was pretty good. Spidah-Man but he can venom sting and disappear like a black father.

I have a theory Gwen didn't die in Pete B.'s universe, like think of Peter B. as being like Tobey Maguire so he meets MJ in high school, gets married, gets divorced and then enters the Spiderverse.
 
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