Spunt's helpful guide to Britain for fat Americans - Learn about Anglos so you can hate them better

[WelperHelper99]

@Spunt when you say Schengen, I think you're meaning the European Economic Area, which developed alongside the EU as a part of the European Free Trade Agreement.

Also this:


This is absolutely not true. It appears nowhere in any of the relevant clauses of the treaties of the european union regarding a member state's secession from the union and was invented out of whole cloth at the start of the negotiations. Nobody is quite sure why they made it up, but I suspect it's actually one of the first things that was negotiated by May's team. One last laying of blame for a government's idiotic decision at the feet of the EU, and a way to stick it to the people who voted for Parliament to actually do its fucking job for a change.

edit for context: Article 50 only states that negotations for leaving the Union shall take place in accordance with article 218(3) of the consolidated treaties. 218 makes no mention of a requirement for at timeline, deadline, or plan of any sort. There is nothing within the acquis that specifies deadlines or timelines for the negotiation of treaties between the EU and third countries, other than what is decided by the EU and the other negotiating parties.

May was a remainer. I'm convinced she did everything she could to sabotage the negotiations, in the hope that people would demand a return to the EU. It's the only thing that explains all of the retarded decisions she pushed.

I voted leave at the time, on the belief that a win for remain would have settled the matter just about permanently, giving the EU time to complete its hollowing out and demolition of our national institutions. However, for the entire campaign (and for years beforehand), I maintained to everyone I interacted with that the result of leave should be at least 20 years of negotiations (because it took more than 40 years of incremental changes to get here), with the first act being to shift sideways from the European Union into the European Economic Area. This would maintain our membership of the Single Market, which removed trade barriers between member states, but release us from the Customs Union, which would mean that we'd have more leeway on what enters the UK from outside. That would have given us the ability to increase and improve our trade connections with the commonwealth and other countries. We would probably have had to negotiate some form of country-of-origin paperwork for goods that weren't compliant with the EU's import standards, but that would have been peanuts compared to what we have now.

It would take decades to properly untangle the miles of regulatory tape that have wrapped up every aspect of life in this country. It would take just as long for our leaders to learn how to govern again.

The real issue, which is never addressed in any debate on the topic, is this: What does the UK want to be in the future? Leaving the EU is meaningless if we have no plan for afterwards. AS things stand right now, we just float off into the Atlantic and then... sink, I guess (something I'm sure a lot of kiwis would celebrate), or become a useless backwater on the periphery of the world. England became the industrial powerhouse of the world because of its unique geographical position and resources. The UK is a sea trading nation. We have all sorts of geographical advantages, at least some local talent, and the commonwealth. Ours is the language of commerce and trade. We invented half the shit the world uses.

We could have looked at all that and begun to plan a future free of the EU, a positive goal to reach toward rather than the negative "end it all and burn the laws", but all we got from Boris, from Farage, from any public face of the leave campaigns was "lower taxes, no immigants, bendy bananas and a pint". They had no vision for anything other than their next grift. There has been no coherent vision of what this country should be for forty years or more. Just a sucession of mean, petty tyrants who wanted the trappings of office and the cushy sinecures that come after, but had no interest in improving the lot of the working man, and who in fact were utterly hostile to the idea of the plebs having more freedom and prosperity.

To pull from my American history, our economic situation when we separated from you guys... was fucked. States were joined only by the "articles of confederation", which basically meant that theyd fight with eachother if we were attacked, but not much else. Everyone had separate currencies, most of the world didnt want to trade with us, it was nuts until we scrapped it and came up with the Constitution. Technically the government you see today in the US is the 2.0. Version.

My point is, your situation is not unique. It is survivable, but you'll need strong men to take the reigns and flex what power you have with the rest of the world to get what you want like we had to.

 

[Bankman]

May was a remainer. I'm convinced she did everything she could to sabotage the negotiations, in the hope that people would demand a return to the EU. It's the only thing that explains all of the retarded decisions she pushed.

In Seldon's book May at 10, he claims May wept after she heard the result of the 2016 EU referendum. Who knew that once you pierced May's shell of opportunism, nullity and spaz, at heart May was a genuine zealot.

In a strange parallel, during Henry VIII's divorce from his first wife (and subsequently the Roman Church) Cardinal Wolsey botched the negotiations with Rome to preserve his influence and play for time. Wosley's plotting and self-serving against his king and country led to a hard break with the Church and a mountain of acrimony with the mainland. Wosley, however, built nice palaces and colleges.

The real issue, which is never addressed in any debate on the topic, is this: What does the UK want to be in the future? Leaving the EU is meaningless if we have no plan for afterwards. AS things stand right now, we just float off into the Atlantic and then... sink, I guess (something I'm sure a lot of kiwis would celebrate), or become a useless backwater on the periphery of the world. England became the industrial powerhouse of the world because of its unique geographical position and resources. The UK is a sea trading nation. We have all sorts of geographical advantages, at least some local talent, and the commonwealth. Ours is the language of commerce and trade. We invented half the shit the world uses.

I wouldn't see anything wrong with this. Retreat from the world stage, stop getting involved in countless wars, and the rest of the world can fuck off (especially the French). Let's concentrate on our own problems, become as self reliant as possible, and hopefully give off a boring enough air that every wog in the world stops wanting to come here.

I don't know how Britain feeds and keep warm nearly 70 million people. Either Britain bends the knee to the Americans or somehow magics up 200 destroyers.

I think the question about UK's role is wrongheaded. The point of the UK is to project power. The only way the Scots could be convinced to join the union and wear underwear was with promise of murdering some poor bastard anywhere else in the world. Empires inevitably fail but our rulers chose the fall of the Western Roman Empire, rather than the Eastern, as their guide. Britain had no business joining WW1 and chose the worst possible date to start WW2.

In a tangible sense Britain lost WW2. After the war, the Americans, characteristically double-dealing, opened up the trade routes of their British and French allies to their German and Japanese colonies. Germany and Japan became successful because their flattened industries rebuilt themselves to sell into the American market. "Globalisation" was awful for Britain. British industry, built for shipbuilding and empire, quickly became defunct without an empire and a fleet. The unions, egged on by the Soviets, became parasitic. As Spunt's very funny and informative posts have laid out, there were also some social issues.

Now it's clear Pax Americana is over. Who will fill the vacuum? Liechtenstein? It seems to me that sequestered economic systems will return sooner rather than later.

I think I understand now why DeGaulle was such a dickhead. He tried to keep his distance from the American global order. He kept France as independent as he could. He traded short term economic gain for long term political strength. Unlike Britain, France still has large chunks of it empire. I expect the French, free from the shackles of the Royal Navy, will act very French.

 

[RACISM]

He traded short term economic gain for long term political strength.

A mindset no remainer can ever seen to understand, they have the shortsightedness of a nigger. Every time you ask why it's bad or why they voted remoan, it's always some moaning about money. There are more important things than money, like being able to do what you want. These idiots imagine themselves intellectuals when they have a slave mentality, "give me shiney shiney and you can break my back and my anus". I try to avoid any debate with them now, in real life or on the net. I really do look down on them all as niggers.

 

[Ishtar]

A mindset no remainer can ever seen to understand, they have the shortsightedness of a nigger. Every time you ask why it's bad or why they voted remoan, it's always some moaning about money. There are more important things than money, like being able to do what you want. These idiots imagine themselves intellectuals when they have a slave mentality, "give me shiney shiney and you can break my back and my anus". I try to avoid any debate with them now, in real life or on the net. I really do look down on them all as niggers.

I agree, however there are loads of non White migrants coming to the UK literally every day. Brexit hasn't prevented the conservative party from being the most lax on immigration...really ever.

If the goal of Brexit was to get rid of Muslims and blacks-it has clearly failed.

 

[RACISM]

I agree, however there are loads of non White migrants coming to the UK literally every day. Brexit hasn't prevented the conservative party from being the most lax on immigration...really ever.

If the goal of Brexit was to get rid of Muslims and blacks-it has clearly failed.

Already refuted this pointless complaint in an earlier post nigger,

You're a nigger.

Yes there was no party who wanted brexit to happen and wouldn't fuck it up, yes there still isn't any party who will use those powers for good. One day there may be though. There was only one chance, and the vote had to go that way for the future of the country, for the decades and hundreds of years ahead where England will one day be ruled by someone who cares about its people. Yes, optimistic, I know.

Your post is just another example of remoaners being shortsighted niggers.

 

[Ishtar]

Already refuted this pointless complaint in an earlier post nigger,


Your post is just another example of remoaners being shortsighted niggers.

Ok, I see your point. Its not a refutation though, its just you being (absurdly) optimistic the UK won't be a mixture of Somalia and Haiti by end of century, run by inbred pajeets.

 

[Amin Yamumm]

A great post, thank you.

I fucked the UK off a couple of years ago. I now live where the weather is warmer and drier, where the police are visible, crime is low, and court sentencings are a deterrent. Alcohol is cheap, but rarely do I see anyone drunk or being violent in bars. Electricity and gas prices are low, as is petrol. The Government do actually seem to care about their countrymen.

Fuck the UK, I doubt I will ever go back to visit, let alone to live.

Maybe I have popped on my rose coloured spectacles, but I remember when MP's represented their constituents, and helped them with their issues. Now it seems that (the majority of) MP's represent themselves first and foremost.

 

[The Taco Santo!]

The Gin Act of 1751 made the purchase of gin out of the reach for the average working man when the standards before was penny drams on every street corner. This was the direct result of Britain's own temperance movement where they were concerned everyone was getting hopped up on dangerous bathtub liquor and eventually ended in riots.

TBF, England was notorious for the amount and severity of alcoholism bred by penny gin. Which, in turn, bred an explosion in petty, and often very stupid, crime. Which led to the indiscriminate use of the death penalty and, ultimately, to transportation to Australia.

 

[Midwit]

It's telling that you can watch an old show like The Sweeney which almost revels in how grimy and run down everything was in the early-to-mid-70s and start thinking about how much nicer everything looked back then, when London still had white people whose accents weren't going extinct, British people drove British cars and cop shows were about doing handbrake turns in a Ford Granada and shooting people instead of being gay dramas about some random petty shit that bores you to tears. The 90s really seems to be the point when British culture started to nosedive and it's only gotten worse since, since that's when the "lad culture" started to kick off and ruined the working class, whilst also dragging a fair bunch of the middle class down to their level and utterly destroyed the respectability of everyone involved.

I know it's probably hard to write these posts considering the subject matter, but would it be at all possible to cover the everpresent cultural decay of the British people outside the context of politics? That feels like something that would be sorely needed to people who don't have a first hand experience.

Anne, Princess Royal

She had a Reliant Scimitar you know.

the sleepy Nottinghamshire town of Grantham

Lincolnshire actually, I've driven past her birthplace many a time.

I don't think I have ever heard a politian talk coherently about the future of the country

I think the Sex Pistols had it right with "God Save the Queen" and that song was made 50 years ago, though admittedly that's probably a case of edgy retards making a lucky guess rather than a geniune prediction of what's to come.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Wow. England is a massive shithole.

 

[Chicken of the woods]

Wow. England is a massive shithole.

Nah, it's a small shithole. But quite densely packed with shit.

 

[Zaryiu2]

I made a thing earlier to be a cheeky cunt but then i realized the UK is just irl showing us what the future is gonna be for the west overall so i did a small edit

I do have a question: Is Norwhich ok for a UK city?

 

[Anne I. O'Nick]

I do have a question: Is Norwhich ok for a UK city?

VisitNorwich (a) claims that it is the most complete medieval city in the UK, which is certainly true of its residents.
Amongst other pub-quiz facts, Norwich is known for being the only city in the UK completely cut off from the main motorway system, presumably an attempt at containment.
In medicine, the phrase exists "Normal for Norfolk", which highlights how common maladies like oligodactyly, mis-shapen chins, and inbreeding-related hearing loss are. The east of England, East Anglia particularly, is essentially the same kind cultural stereotype as you imagine in the darkest south. Picture Cletus, Deliverance, Dueling Banjos. For a real life example, see the last 20 pages of the Hollie Dance thread.

All cities in the UK have downsides and problems, but at least Manchester, London, Edinburgh have upsides.

 

[bongaloid]

I made a thing earlier to be a cheeky cunt but then i realized the UK is just irl showing us what the future is gonna be for the west overall so i did a small edit
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I do have a question: Is Norwhich ok for a UK city?

Norwich, Narridge to its denizens, is Ok to visit for a day or two. I wouldn't want to live there. The locals are slightly less inbred than usual for Norfolk hence the phrase "Normal for Norfolk".

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

Careful, when people from Norwich receives more insults than they have digits they can get violent. As soon as we went past 3 we're in the danger zone.

 

[Zaryiu2]

Norwich, Narridge to its denizens, is Ok to visit for a day or two. I wouldn't want to live there. The locals are slightly less inbred than usual for Norfolk hence the phrase "Normal for Norfolk".

So that means Ashens is inbred since he's from there?

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Careful, when people from Norwich receives more insults than they have digits they can get violent. As soon as we went past 3 we're in the danger zone.

You're fine up to twenty with the gals and twenty one with the guys, none of them can afford shoes and so they can indeed count their toes.

 

[Morethanabitfoolish]

You're fine up to twenty with the gals and twenty one with the guys, none of them can afford shoes and so they can indeed count their toes.

Sometimes they have fewer digits rather than more. Depends how much non-human DNA is also in their family tree.

 

[Sleazy Car Salesman]

Sometimes they have fewer digits rather than more. Depends how much non-human DNA is also in their family tree.

I suppose that makes sense. But the blokes will always have one extra appendage they can use to count compared to the birds.

 

[Seymour Duncan]

Utterly tremendous work. Hope you get around to writing the conclusion.