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I would literally watch anything he was in. Dude was a solid, awesome actor and I loved Odo.

Let us all go to Quark and order a drink on his behalf. A toast to a great.
 
There was another Star Trek-related death today, Marina Sirtis's husband Michael Lamper died in his sleep.

He was a rock musician and also appeared in an uncredited role in the third season Star Trek: The Next Generation episode "The Vengeance Factor" as an "Acamarian Gatherer".
 
gobbogobb said:
Arguing about the prime directive is really dumb because it was never defined in canon trek
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Backing this one hard (watch your ass son) because the Prime Directive suddenly and inexplicably changed between TOS and TNG.

This still mystifies me.

Okay, in the TOS episodes it was simple: Don't fuck with lesser species that haven't developed yet. Yes, there was that one episode where they violated the Prime Directive to give guns to primitive people because it was a Vietnam metaphor. That one with the natives being ruled by a giant paper-mache monster head doesn't count because obviously that thing already fucked up their culture whenever it landed. Same with the Iotians in A Piece of the Action. Also Kirk reading the US Constitution doesn't count either because I guess the aliens already had that?

Whatever, TOS was fucked up and weird.

Compare though, A Taste of Armageddon and Devil in the Dark. In A Taste of Armageddon, neither species seems to have ships. And Kirk is liable to (and does) finish their conflict for them; even the Federation ambassador who's a dickweed the whole episode agrees to help. And Devil in the Dark. The Horta has no technology at all! But everything turns out alright in the end and presumably the miners all have cute little mini-Hortas following them around like acid-spewing WoW pets by the end.

TNG is so fucking strange by comparison. Total refusal to help a civilization even if its in imminent doom and the Enterprise can fix it, Riker's mouth spewing shit about a "divine plan" like he's a Jonestown member. What the fuck? The original point was just not to stick your dick in alien civiliaztions and ruin their development, not about "divine plans" and total fucking madness like that.
 
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You know 20th century Star Trek is fading into history when those who worked on the show are passing away.

(my favorite Odo line is "do they still sing songs of The Great Tribble Hunt?")
 
Titan Lithos said:
I mean, who died last year, other than Alexander's first actor who killed himself?
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I believe they were referring to DC Fontana and Marina Sirtis's husband, but holy shit I had no idea Alexander's first actor killed himself last year.

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Jon Steuer

Jon Steuer (27 March 1984 – 1 January 2018; age 33) was the first actor to portray Alexander Rozhenko, Worf and K'Ehleyr's son, in the Star Trek: The Next Generation fourth season episode "Reunion". For the remainder of the episodes on TNG featuring Rozhenko, he would instead be played by Family...
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Jesus.

"Jonathan Frakes mentioned that Steuer "was too shy, not a warrior. Probably the reason why he was recast""

Wow. Worst epitaph ever.
 
I'm gonna double post because this is getting fucking sad, people. Lets have some levity man.


Here's a classic. The man himself goes up against Max Headroom.

(There appears to be no better quality clips of this great evernt.)
 
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The Prime Directive as used in TOS does make sense. The Federation is an alliance of different cultures and it's likely that "Hands Off" is the only policy everyone can agree on.

Also, continuity on that show was pretty weak, but they should have come up with rules for rescinding the Prime Directive. Post hoc analysis suggests it's okay to intervene to "correct" someone else's intervention.
 
Voyager always had an interesting stance on Prime Directive. The episode "Random Thoughts" where Janeway was pretty much going to let B'Elanna get mind fucked cause the society was against violent memories and gotta go by the societies rules. But it always seemed to be something to be used to get around loop holes in plots.
 
L50LasPak said:
TNG is so fucking strange by comparison. Total refusal to help a civilization even if its in imminent doom and the Enterprise can fix it, Riker's mouth spewing shit about a "divine plan" like he's a Jonestown member. What the fuck? The original point was just not to stick your dick in alien civiliaztions and ruin their development, not about "divine plans" and total fucking madness like that.
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My best guess is that they didn't have Gene running in to the writers' room to tip his fedora anymore, so a lot of TNG episodes had a far more spiritual take than the clearly secular TOS. Picard in particular speaks of there being a "divine plan" to the universe that's beyond mortal comprehension, which, considering their numerous encounters with Q, I wouldn't be comfortable with whatever plan Q has in store for me.

Another bullshit Prime Directive moment in TNG is their refusal to interfere with the Klingon civil war. I understand the whole anti-colonial narrative of refusing to interfere with pre-warp civilizations - but their refusal to take a side in the civil war of a federation ally, in which one side is clearly atagonistic towards the federation, is beyond exceptional.

Flexo said:
I would literally watch anything he was in. Dude was a solid, awesome actor and I loved Odo.

Let us all go to Quark and order a drink on his behalf. A toast to a great.
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COME TO QUARK'S, QUARK'S IS FUN. COME RIGHT NOW! DON'T WALK. RUN!
 
Stab You in the Back said:
Shatner's going to outlive them all.
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Yeah what the fuck the man is literatly in the running with Stallone now (as I recall, Stallone is actually younger). He hasn't quite reached Kirk Douglas territory yet, but he might.

F for Odo.
 
Negilum said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=b_IaVMsCbf8:25COME TO QUARK'S, QUARK'S IS FUN. COME RIGHT NOW! DON'T WALK. RUN!
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One thing I've always wondered about that scene, considering that Quark doesn't actually speak any "hu-mon" language, do the Universal Translators both translate onscreen and on-cup text into the Romanized alphabet and translate commercial jingles so they rhyme in English?
 
Speaking of Quark...

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Armin Shimerman on Twitter

“It is with great heartache and loss I share with you the passing of dear,dear Rene Auberjonois.His last message to me was entitled "Don't forget..." I know that I,Kitty,and all that knew him will never forget.The world seems noticeably emptier now. I loved him.”
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Godzilla@1989 said:
The source I found this at is from a midnight's edge video right here.

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Noah Hawley’s Star Trek 4 Might Not Happen + License and ViacomCBS Merger Update!

#StarTrek #NoahHawley #ChrisPine On November 19th, Variety confirmed that Star Trek 4 is back in development, under the helm of writer/director Noah Hawley. ...
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TLDR: Noah Hawley, the creator of MGM's Fargo series on FX, has been hired by Paramount to direct the forth film in the Kelvin timeline series. The forth film has been plagued by script rewrites and budget disputes. Even though Bad Robot might likely still be involved with it, the re-merger makes it more complicated since the rights are back under one roof.

Because CBS and Viacom were corporate siblings under Sumner (the creator of Viacom who bought CBS in 1999 and split them in 2006) and Shari Redstone, the merger between the two didn't take as long as others such as ATT/Warner Bros, Disney/20th Century Fox (Fox and Fox News Channels weren't allowed to be bought by Disney), and Comcast/NBCUniversal.
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You want me to ask Tom?
 
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