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That's telling, but I mean... Howard Stern has lived long enough to see himself become a faggot too.
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I can’t believe this actually ended up almost being a 1:1 speech in Picard.
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Listening to the Howard Stern Iraq saga on YT, it's almost comical how pro-war he is, and the ridiculous things he says we should do over there.
This is around 2004 when Clear Channel dropped him from six markets. Clear Channel was acting as a proxy for the Bush administration. Up until that point, Howard had been speaking out against Bush and advocating for Kerry.
It is always said of Stewart that his strength as an actor is his ability to deliver bad dialogue with utter conviction. I say it is time to stop encouraging him. - Roger Ebert
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Keep in mind Stern is a New York jew and 9/11 kept people mad for more than a few years.
Not sure how many of you remember back then, but the desire for revenge was palpable. The whole country was enraged, it was probably the last time we were united in anything.
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OT XF/Lost sperging:
So, uh, Star Trek. I'm making a second attempt to watch The Animated Series. The first episode, Beyond the Farthest Star, impressed me with the (pseudo-)scientific knowledge and curiosity displayed by the characters. When they board the alien ship Spock immediately sees parallels with insect colonies, Scotty notes how the metal elements of the ship were produced, etc. The ending was pretty grim; they could have at least promised the green cloud they would send a first contact team to talk to it. If nothing else, leaving it there in the dead star just guarantees more ships will run into it eventually.
I can explain the X-Files plot. It sounds stupid when distilled to a single paragraph, but it's there, and it ties most of the seasons 1-7 mytharc together. (I don't claim it's perfect.) I can watch an early mythological episode and relate it directly to the plot outlines from the movie soundtrack or the series finale. Even when we don't know exactly why someone is doing something, we can see it's related tangentially to the known activities of the Syndicate and the Colonists.
I can't do the same for Lost. Lost was ultimately about a glowing rock in a magic spring that kept evil from entering the world. I have no idea how that relates to typing numbers into a computer that controls a magnetic field powerful enough to pull down aircraft. Or a wheel that teleports the island while also teleporting the person who moves the wheel to a different place. Or people living forever, or turning into smoke monsters. Or a University of Michigan project to study exotic physics and teach children Latin, which for some reason received food drops for decades after everyone involved died.
I can't do the same for Lost. Lost was ultimately about a glowing rock in a magic spring that kept evil from entering the world. I have no idea how that relates to typing numbers into a computer that controls a magnetic field powerful enough to pull down aircraft. Or a wheel that teleports the island while also teleporting the person who moves the wheel to a different place. Or people living forever, or turning into smoke monsters. Or a University of Michigan project to study exotic physics and teach children Latin, which for some reason received food drops for decades after everyone involved died.
So, uh, Star Trek. I'm making a second attempt to watch The Animated Series. The first episode, Beyond the Farthest Star, impressed me with the (pseudo-)scientific knowledge and curiosity displayed by the characters. When they board the alien ship Spock immediately sees parallels with insect colonies, Scotty notes how the metal elements of the ship were produced, etc. The ending was pretty grim; they could have at least promised the green cloud they would send a first contact team to talk to it. If nothing else, leaving it there in the dead star just guarantees more ships will run into it eventually.
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Yeah, JJ only shot the pilot of both shows. He wasn't involved with the stories after that.
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Yeah TAS can be rough around the edges but it's mostly the real TOS crew handling a lot of it.
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Even if SNW is somehow good and manages to stand above all their attempts to preach, it's still part of the same batch of lame products made by the same people who hate fans and want to destroy ST to teach us a lesson. It's not worth to watch it and it's better if we ignore that shit.
I like Cloverfield and it was a much better product than Lost, but the attempt was the same. Perhaps many people don't remember it, but Cloverfield had a very big marketing campaign based on web interaction, websites, social media (of the time), clues, videos, etc. (Batman Begins had something similar only a year later, IICR). Back then, it was a big thing and it precedes how many current films aren't films or tv shows but a set of references for the audience to watch, recognise, and feel smarter (I CLAPPED). Just look at Dr. Strange right now. If you didn't watch WandaVision, you're gonna miss a lot of things.
I am glad I'm not the only one who saw Lost for what it was back then. I remember people being mesmerised by it and I don't think it's at all a coincidence that many of those people, almost 20 years later, ended up being consoomers who lean progressive. I don't think it's been done in purpose, but it was definitely the natural conclusion. Now, I don't think Lost was "bad" per se. I think it was mediocre and painted by numbers, crafted to make the audience feel not smart but "geeky", because it was the fad back then. And that's the pattern of most current tv shows nowadays.
I like Cloverfield and it was a much better product than Lost, but the attempt was the same. Perhaps many people don't remember it, but Cloverfield had a very big marketing campaign based on web interaction, websites, social media (of the time), clues, videos, etc. (Batman Begins had something similar only a year later, IICR). Back then, it was a big thing and it precedes how many current films aren't films or tv shows but a set of references for the audience to watch, recognise, and feel smarter (I CLAPPED). Just look at Dr. Strange right now. If you didn't watch WandaVision, you're gonna miss a lot of things.
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You’d have to clockwork orange me to get me to watch his stuff.
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Not really, he had a deal and retained a lot of creative controll more than most people would have got, the series had 3 failed scripts, 2 failed pailots and 1 failed episode but was allowed to carry on, he got more and more control for each failure and then kept it, Trek was nearly dead before the first film and it only got a revival as a film because Paramount wanted a franchise to compete with Starwars and dug into there own IP back catlologe and the obsessive fanbase was the selling point.
79/80 Galactica was a second choice by general sci-fi fans even after watching both series apparently, Trek only won by a small margin and Rottencunt pitching all manner of shows and spin off, this included Trek phase 2 and it was partly because of Roddenberry and the other writers liking ideas for scripts they had to move it on in time or they would have to pay royalties.
This crap has always existed over trek, and they will spend more effort to invent a fiction than pay royalties
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So you mean to tell me there's an alternate timeline where Battlestar Galactica became the big competitor-franchise to Star Wars?
Frankly, I'd love to see that world. Assuming the quality ended up similar like with ST, that shit might be pretty rad. BSG's version of DS9 would be kino.
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That certainly would be an interesting idea, but how would the BSG version of DS9 work? Wasn't the whole point the ragtag survivors had little left? Can't have a space station bobbing around there or the same level of planetary intrigue we got... it'd probably be more of the drama of the character interaction which still required more of those big sweeping moments to break it all up.
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I watched SNW Episode 2 last night, and I've really been at a loss of anything to say about it.
It still feels like Star Trek. That gives it a big leg up over Picard(I never even watched Discovery). The plot was the kind of nonsense I expect from a throwaway Trek episode.
There is a lot of nitpicky stuff that bothered me, but I also can't really fault it, cause it's very classic Trek tropes. The supposedly powerful ship wails on them a lot with little to no consequence, their one shot seems to do disproportionate damage to how their capabilities were compared. The CGI REALLY doesn't match up to what's described on set out even previously established shots. Setting a shuttle's shields to "Heat" and melting of a chuck of comet that dwarfs the size of the Enterprise is dumb. That it was able to divert the course of the comet so close to the planet, how close it passes with out gravitational effects, all dumb.
But it's Star Trek Dumb.
I like the Chief Engineer, I wasn't aware of the Aenar(who date back to Enterprise), but I like different variations in alien races that aren't just our skin tones. I hope they address how he accomplishes his tasks with out vision on a ship designed by a predominately sight based race(not being able to see reading on a screen is a massive detriment.)
The character stuff... That bridge crew Captain's dinner felt more like a 'chill professor trying to fuck students' party than even a casual get together of officers. I'm trying to not let my apprehension of NuTrek spoil my perception, but I keep wondering "Is Ortega gonna fuck Uhura?" "Did Pike just make a gay pass a George Kirk?" The crew don't feel like adults or professionals, much less officers.
I'm not of the show, but this episode didn't move the needle off of "Cautiously Pessimistic"
It still feels like Star Trek. That gives it a big leg up over Picard(I never even watched Discovery). The plot was the kind of nonsense I expect from a throwaway Trek episode.
There is a lot of nitpicky stuff that bothered me, but I also can't really fault it, cause it's very classic Trek tropes. The supposedly powerful ship wails on them a lot with little to no consequence, their one shot seems to do disproportionate damage to how their capabilities were compared. The CGI REALLY doesn't match up to what's described on set out even previously established shots. Setting a shuttle's shields to "Heat" and melting of a chuck of comet that dwarfs the size of the Enterprise is dumb. That it was able to divert the course of the comet so close to the planet, how close it passes with out gravitational effects, all dumb.
But it's Star Trek Dumb.
I like the Chief Engineer, I wasn't aware of the Aenar(who date back to Enterprise), but I like different variations in alien races that aren't just our skin tones. I hope they address how he accomplishes his tasks with out vision on a ship designed by a predominately sight based race(not being able to see reading on a screen is a massive detriment.)
The character stuff... That bridge crew Captain's dinner felt more like a 'chill professor trying to fuck students' party than even a casual get together of officers. I'm trying to not let my apprehension of NuTrek spoil my perception, but I keep wondering "Is Ortega gonna fuck Uhura?" "Did Pike just make a gay pass a George Kirk?" The crew don't feel like adults or professionals, much less officers.
I'm not of the show, but this episode didn't move the needle off of "Cautiously Pessimistic"
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The Aenar are from a Enterprise 2 parter in Season 4 and it's about the Andorians seeking them out because they've become aware the Romulans have stolen some of them to make the drone ship (Season 5 was to be the Earth-Romulan war with a fleet of these drones but never made it to screen) they have various sensory changes and psychic powers which means they can use technology by hearing and feeling a lot more. In the 2150s they had to put on a helmet to work things, so by the 2300s they probably have other sensory things installed to help such impaired crewmates.
The guy who played him had an interview which also made me optimistic about him playing the role as the second he heard he was cast as an Aenar he began hitting the books, rewatched the two-parter which really covers them (the only other episode with an Aenar is a couple of episodes earlier in which they reveal who the drone pilot is) and anything he could find about them to try and shape he role as he felt he needed to get it "right". The fact there's little meant he's giving his own slight twist and feel and from the breif bits seen so far it should be interesting.
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What nobody ever admits is that those old political episodes FUCKING SUCKED!
Kirk reading the constitution is a hammy and practically a meme. The best episodes of the show, the ones most remembered are the ones far more science fiction and exploring the world or the characters.
The only exceptions would be the movies: Star Trek 4 and 6. The problem with those are, 1) They have a lot of groundwork behind them in continuity and effort. 2) They worked really, REALLY hard to be ACTUALLY GOOD. Show Trek 6 to someone who has no idea about the Cold War or has even heard of Russia ("is it that planet Chekov is from?") and they can still enjoy and appreciate the film.
NuTrek screws up all of this and thinks the old show was a success because of "the current thing" not in spite of "the current thing." (seriously, fucking hippies?)
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The premise of 4 was pretty hokey but they pulled it off well and it still seemed like a long TOS episode, possibly the last of the movies to have that feel. I could say it's a drop off in quality from Khan, but then again, absolutely everything after Khan was. It's better than that silly ass-pull Spock movie.
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TAS is an extremely mixed bag. The best audience you can be for TAS is some kind of unholy meeting between TOS fan and artfag, which is maybe more common than people think but obviously not that common.
Really though the main thing you need watching TAS is a strong resistance to whiplash. There are parts of TAS that are genuinely thoughtful and impressive, to the point where you'll be left thinking "wow, I never even thought about it that way before" and then immediately the next second something incredibly stupid will happen that the show tries to take deadly seriously and you're likely to be too busy laughing to reflect on what the episode was just trying to talk about.
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And all because the lady loves Honor
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It was all downhill once he did America's Got Talent. It was probably downhill before, but that signalled the end. I used to get links from a Stern Forum when I listened, as not in the US. Even that gave up putting links to the show many many years ago.
