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From what I know about the JJ movies, the first one was okay-to-good, the second one was garbage, and the third one was actually good but no one saw it because of the second and because of the song in the first trailer for it.
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Sexual Chocolate
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This is why I don't listen to YouTube faggots. At the end of the day, they're just shills and I'd rather form my own opinion.
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I think people were desperate for good movies again and JJ was hyped as the cinematic second coming of Christ, so people fell for the hype because they really wanted it to be true.
Even I was too easy on his movies back then. So many people (and media shills) were praising Trek 2009 (the most profitable Trek film ever) and The Force Awakens that I thought something was wrong with me. There were so many things that bothered me about JJ's movies, but I was constantly second-guessing myself. "Am I just being a stupid fanboy and getting hung up on minor quibbles?"
Time has proven my initial gut instincts right, though.
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Before JJ Trek, I only knew him as the guy who ruined Mission Impossible. Had never any interest or seen Lost.
I think people were desperate for good movies again and JJ was hyped as the cinematic second coming of Christ, so people fell for the hype because they really wanted it to be true.
Even I was too easy on his movies back then. So many people (and media shills) were praising Trek 2009 (the most profitable Trek film ever) and The Force Awakens that I thought something was wrong with me. There were so many things that bothered me about JJ's movies, but I was constantly second-guessing myself. "Am I just being a stupid fanboy and getting hung up on minor quibbles?"
Time has proven my initial gut instincts right, though.
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When Lost first turned up, somehow I knew it was going to be a lot of fumbling about for several seasons and the conclusion wouldn't be worth all the prickteasing mystery. I think by then, I had already learned to expect Hollywood to churn out shit, because it saves time and you're never disappointed.
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Is there a story there you'd like to share?
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The problem with LOST is that they bent over backwards to claim they had a plan. They even said everything was scientifically plausible. Then as it went on they cut episode numbers in the seasons. Doubled down on having a plan. Then the final season came out and they went, "opps we shouldn't have said any of that."
I feel this is lost, pardon the pun, there was a massive betrayal to the fans because they directly lied to them.
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They're... well, like the Star Wars Sequels. First one got everyone to jizz their pants based on the possibility of better movies, the second one is such utter shit that it fucked over the third movie, and the third movie is forgettable. Star Trek 3 is better than any of them.
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I predicted the ending to LOST would be nonsensical shit because they had literally just done the exact same thing with Cloverfield. I don't actually know why people were suddenly talking about LOST circa 2008-2009 when I first heard about it and predicted it would have a shit ending since the series started in 2004, but the moment I heard the same people who did Cloverfield were behind it I knew it was gonna be shit.
Looking back on it, I also notice Netflix's streaming service was becoming a big deal around the 2008-2009 leg too. The ability to just binge all the episodes of LOST and get caught up on the "plot" you missed out on without having to buy a DVD set was probably a big bonus for that show's fucking Reddit-tier (Then MSN-tier, I suppose) audience. So that's two abortions of modern culture that shared some kind of terrible collusion following the cursed Year of our Lord 2007 after the Iphone came out and normiefied the internet.
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You know that animated series episode where they go to that reverse universe?
I think if there really was a "reverse universe", people there would perceive the reverse universe in reverse, so to them everything would look "normal" and not reverse.
I think if there really was a "reverse universe", people there would perceive the reverse universe in reverse, so to them everything would look "normal" and not reverse.
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You have to remember that LOST was really good, and everyone talked about it every week. Then there were long seasons so this went on for months of the year. So everyone had theories, shared theories and ideas about the show and its mysteries.
While I'm sure season 6 would still suffer. People who binge the whole show, seemed to lack the issues fans like me who watched and discussed the show for years had. They just watched it, were entertained and didn't dwell on the mysteries. So they tend to just have a great time. As they aren't reflecting back on each episode before the next. Even the final season, while being a mess in the direction of the show, was still full of well-done episodes.
It was a very specific type of engagement people had with that show. I think the talk of disappointment, which I do, clouds the fact the show was genuinely fantastic. The messy final season doesn't mean the show was a waste and not a great watch.
JJ's issue with things like Star Wars is that he approached it the way he did the pilot for LOST. Just create a bunch of set up to start it. Where the next writers take the reigns. Not wanting to restrict them too much, just lay a starting point. Which then didn't account for what Round Head would do. As he had zero interest in continuing on the story JJ started.
I enjoy JJ's Trek films. Even though there's some dumb stuff, and Into Darkness, while entertaining should not have been about Khan.
The writing on nu-Trek on TV, well not Strange New Worlds... yet.. is that the seasons suffer like the final season of LOST. No real plan and just changing direction and ideas every few episodes.
LOST's seasons were not like that until the final one.
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It was full of attractive people doing interesting character stuff, with (for the time) really high production values for a TV show. I tuned out early on after realizing it was a shaggy dog story, but it wasn't bad TV by any stretch, and is probably JJ's finest work.
Star Track 2009 was ok for a reboot given how low expectations were, it was just dumb as hell, the set design was horrible, the lens flares were obnoxious, and it felt like a bunch of kids larping as Shatner and co. without their hearts really being in it.
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I actually gave STD a shot, despite seeing many reviewers shittalking it. I just wanted to form my own opinion on the show and watched like two or three episodes. I didn't like it. I mean, it's not offensively terrible like Star Wars TLJ or anything, but it's still very bad and kinda annoying.
In terms of the JJ-shit, I watched his 2009 movie and hated it. Never watched the other two. Kirk being this dumbass fratboy shit-eating-grin dipshit pissed me off. The Kobayashi Maru scene made me actively hate the movie. It looked neat, I'll give it that, but I hated everything about the characters and plot.
These new shows shit all over canon, established characters and most annoyingly, it is marketed and defended in ways to piss off older fans.
It's not "our" franchise anymore and if we don't like it, we just have to move on. It's for a new generation, all that jazz.
What did they do? Bait old fans into the franchise by appearing to pander to them with STP.
Turns out that was a massive lie: Picard in his own show is pretty much just side character to stand at the sidelines while others actually do things. He only ever gets into the limelight, so some crusty cunt can call him a motherfucker to his face and chew him out for his privilege or something. Also doesn't help that the show makes Starfleet look even worse than STD and it shots all over canon even more than STD. Picard isn't even Picard, it's some bastardized version of Picard, as seen by Stewart who seriously dropped in terms of respect in my eyes ever since this show started.
Lower Decks looks like a Rick and Morty clone with all the failings of both CURRENT YEAR entertainment and nuTrek. Not gonna waste even 10 seconds of my life to watch a clip.
Picard S3 teases the full TNG crew, SNW seems to heavily pander to classic fans of the franchise. The thing is, I hate this obvious pandering - especially after being told that the franchise doesn't need me anymore. I hate this blatant, desperate, pathetic pandering. And I know they would disappoint me at some point in the future. SNW will go full SJW or shit all over something I like in ST. Even if they don't, it's still a show based on Kurztman's nuTrek and I hate that.
Both Star Wars and Star Trek shat out mediocre products. I criticised them for being bad products and was called a Nazi in return. I was told that the franchises don't need me, my input or my opinions. I was told I should just move on, and that these franchises are no longer "for me".
Then both franchises shat out desperate attempts at pandering to me, with Mandalorian and maybe now SNW and all I can say is: Too bad I already moved on. These franchises aren't for me. Guess I'll give my money to franchises that are for me.
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If jamming MAGA into the first episode isn't going full SJW I'm not sure what is. Plus there are so many fucking women on this show it's comical. When things are 50/50 your brain tends not to notice. When it's practically 80/20 women to men it's being done on purpose. And of course the women are the ones driving the action.
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SNW doesn't sound as bad as STP though, and that's my entire point. AFAIK, SNW is currently much closer to how classic Trek was, than STD and STP, but I expect the show to go bait and switch at some point. There's still a lot of SJW shit in this show as you pointed out, but it's going to be even worse in the future.
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As a rule I tend to count all cases of false advertising as a waste, since really no other approach is ever going to alleviate that parasite currently driving humanity to extinction. Its one thing if the hype was created a marketing team that the production had no control over, IE, a misleading trailer, or if that hype was spread via word of mouth by an over-zealous audience (example; anything actually good Tumblr got its claws into).
But LOST marked a new era in advertising where it seemed the marketing and the production company were working closer together to sell the product than they were to actually make the product. To this day I am fully incapable of watching an single episode of LOST and seeing past the slick media product that was manufactured with the explicit purpose of drawing in viewers each week. Yes, a TV show is supposed to draw in viewers, but that's all LOST was designed to do, everything else is incidental. There's a pervasive sort of modern ugliness underlying the show that I'm having trouble conveying. It comes off as too glossy, too designed to simply string the viewer along. Even its unpredictable twists become predictable if you just think to yourself "I would place something unexpected just about here, to shake things up." I ultimately had the same problem with Game of Thrones, though that show was a lot worse at it if you ask me.
The X-Files is often used as a point of comparison since it also had the long running arc that deliberately drew in fans and kept them guessing, waiting for some big resolution that never really ended up paying off in the end. I've seen people defend this in retrospect, saying that ultimately being left with more questions than answers is actually appropriate for a conspiracy thriller. It is, but I still think its a cop-out. Ultimately though the X-Files mystery box seemed to be the product of one man, its showrunner Chris Carter, and his team, rather than the soulless marketing machine that was integrated into the DNA of LOST from day one.
Twin Peaks is a weird example where this kind of stringing-the-viewer-along tactic was actually intended, and David Lynch has gone on record to state that there was not supposed to be any kind of plan to ever reveal Laura Palmer's killer. Instead the plot would just continue to raise questions and reveal more and more of the town's weird and deranged eccentricities and its painfully knotted web of corruption and character grudges. Its ironic that in this of all cases, the executives put their foot down and forced David Lynch to answer some of the bigger plot points, whereas they seemed to be perfectly fine letting Chris Carter and later Bad Robot get away with pretending they had a plan the entire time. I'm inclined to cut David Lynch some slack because it seemed like he had more planned than just "lol I lied about there being a planned ending, thanks for watching suckers!". Though there are people who to this day maintain that the show was a giant shitpost, but then those same people say that about everything Lynch makes.
Twin Peaks is a weird example where this kind of stringing-the-viewer-along tactic was actually intended, and David Lynch has gone on record to state that there was not supposed to be any kind of plan to ever reveal Laura Palmer's killer. Instead the plot would just continue to raise questions and reveal more and more of the town's weird and deranged eccentricities and its painfully knotted web of corruption and character grudges. Its ironic that in this of all cases, the executives put their foot down and forced David Lynch to answer some of the bigger plot points, whereas they seemed to be perfectly fine letting Chris Carter and later Bad Robot get away with pretending they had a plan the entire time. I'm inclined to cut David Lynch some slack because it seemed like he had more planned than just "lol I lied about there being a planned ending, thanks for watching suckers!". Though there are people who to this day maintain that the show was a giant shitpost, but then those same people say that about everything Lynch makes.
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I'd say less a shitpost, more an excuse to write a bunch of shit that was in his head, into a pseudo-anthology that pretended to have a story arc. The murder plot was just an excuse to get things rolling.