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the girl that doesn't know she's an Android and the autistic Romulan don't get to be explored, they are just yeeted in season 2, and we have an all human cast
And they're strangely proud of that.

They shouldn't even call it Star Trek: Picard. They should call it "Rek", beause that's usually the only part they get right.
He did a great job with the first episode of the series proper. 188 Minutes was a great an desperate feeling survival story. The rest of the season quickly sheds that feeling, and it feels like it becomes a soap opera with Lost like mystery boxes.
With BSG you have a nagging question of “why? I hope they explain this” and then within an episode or two it becomes irrelevant as they’ve moved on to the next question. Which is countered by the fact the cast is good and captivating.
They seem to have brought in the Borg exactly because of this, but even the Borg they couldn't get quite right. Still worked out since they got Seven from it though.
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Trying to “create” sentience vs an AI developing it on its own?

I don't know. I'm going back to 'computer, create a Moriarty capable of outsmarting Data', and poof, done. Even the EMH, while he developed more of a personality and interests later, already seemed not quite so robotic and impersonal as you might expect, during his first activations in the Delta quadrant.

Then there's that episode where all the defunct Zimmerman-look EMHs were reduced to mining slaves or something, and passing seditious literature among themselves. Do you need to be a fully sentient being and have your yearnings to fly free be brutally oppressed in order to do rock picking? Is it already against their apparent rights to have their programs altered and reduced - to be electronically lobotomised? To say nothing about why Starfleet didn't just put all these copies of specialised but outdated software in the recycle bin and program unthinking mining drones from scratch. Like they did with basic androids in STP, except those somehow ended up forming a liberation front too.
It's like having to negiotiate and debate with your toaster.


 
Voyager did one thing right: they mostly fixed holodeck technology.

In TNG and DS9, every single goddamn time the holodeck was in an episode, it would malfunction.
 

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Call me a fag no don't but Jeri Ryan didn't save Voyager in my eyes. Part of it was because she basically played Data but in a passive aggressive bitchy way. Or, like a vulcan, and they already had one of those*. I rewatched the show more recently, including the seasons I missed, and I had to reevaluate her a little. I still can't tell if she has serious acting chops but there were bits and pieces that shone through, and I think they should have let her unborgified personality and emotions develop more towards the end, than what they did. There were a few seconds in one episode where Seven was possessed by the personality of an assimilated ferengi, which actually made me lol.

* They already had the eye candy too, IMO, despite the fivesixhead.

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There were a few seconds in one episode where Seven was possessed by the personality of an assimilated ferengi, which actually made me lol.
I remember that episode. A bunch of people she had assimilated as a Borg started taking over her personality at random.

Including a horny Klingon.
 
I like how the aliens in the animated series are more alien aliens, instead of almost all being Homo sapiens with bumpy foreheads.

(animation can easily show that which is too expensive or even impossible to make IRL)
 
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It could be argued that Elite Force is harder to work into canon because it has the gameplay mechanics of an FPS game explained using Trek terms. All of the technology present in Elite Force actually makes plenty of sense for Trek, but it contradicts canon since we don't actually see anything remotely similar get used throughout the rest of Voyager, DS9, or any of the TNG movies, Especially First Contact where realistically that tech would have been extremely important.
No I mean that the plot of "The Void" is so very obviously ripped off from the plot of Elite Force. Even in the talk section of memory alpha:
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One of the bigger complaints I've heard is how SNW used Ukrainan protest footage from before the war as a stand in for aliens and some of the hyperleft are clutching their pearls over the insensitivity.
Good. It was stupid and bad to choose minor modern events as examples for 'timeless motivating moments'. It's stupid whether it's showing the left or the right, and whether it's praising it (like some sci fi sucked off Obama being elected president at the time) or condemning it (like SNW and Jan 6th) - There's a reason you don't pick modern events: you have no idea what's going to last through time. Considering the fact that they already established in other Treks that people in the 23rd-24th century struggle with separating the 19th-21st centuries, there's absolutely no reason not to use much older and time-tested events as footage to make the point they were making.
I don't know. I'm going back to 'computer, create a Moriarty capable of outsmarting Data', and poof, done. Even the EMH, while he developed more of a personality and interests later, already seemed not quite so robotic and impersonal as you might expect, during his first activations in the Delta quadrant.

Then there's that episode where all the defunct Zimmerman-look EMHs were reduced to mining slaves or something, and passing seditious literature among themselves. Do you need to be a fully sentient being and have your yearnings to fly free be brutally oppressed in order to do rock picking? Is it already against their apparent rights to have their programs altered and reduced - to be electronically lobotomised? To say nothing about why Starfleet didn't just put all these copies of specialised but outdated software in the recycle bin and program unthinking mining drones from scratch. Like they did with basic androids in STP, except those somehow ended up forming a liberation front too.
It's like having to negiotiate and debate with your toaster.

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I think the general idea is that the raw computing power of Starfleet computers is ludicrously beyond what the people using them actually realize. Thus, when it's told to make an AI, it inadvertently makes an AI that is capable of sentience, limited only by things like memory banks and time online. The EMH suffered severely from the memory bank issue, as there were multiple episodes they had to go in and patch him due to him filling up all of his hard drive with junk in his quest to become more human. Had they not done that, he would have reset back to the basic EMH, and what would make him considered 'sentient' would be lost. They also had that very questionable episode where the EMH suffers a nervous breakdown because he makes a medical decision based on emotional attachment rather than their chances of survival, and Janeway's immediate response is to take a hammer to him. Had she not done anything at all, they were worried he'd error, crash, and corrupt all his files then, too.

Also I'm pretty sure that the android thing was a fake-out. The Romulans hacked the androids to make it seem like they organized a liberation army/terrorist attack thing because they feared AI and somehow knew the Federation's response would be to ban all AI in response to a violent protest. If it wasn't the Romulans, then it was a weird 'accidentally picked up the recording of the space cthulu and broke' thing.
Photo conveniently cut off before you see Garretts wang.

Call me a fag no don't but Jeri Ryan didn't save Voyager in my eyes. Part of it was because she basically played Data but in a passive aggressive bitchy way. Or, like a vulcan, and they already had one of those*. I rewatched the show more recently, including the seasons I missed, and I had to reevaluate her a little. I still can't tell if she has serious acting chops but there were bits and pieces that shone through, and I think they should have let her unborgified personality and emotions develop more towards the end, than what they did. There were a few seconds in one episode where Seven was possessed by the personality of an assimilated ferengi, which actually made me lol.

* They already had the eye candy too, IMO, despite the fivesixhead.

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Kes was poorly used and her species made no sense, but I find it a shame they replaced her with 7 because it dropped all the things that they had planned for Kes, including the one episode where Kes traveled backward in time from her old age back to the modern day. It hinted at Year of Hell but also at a bunch of other things that got dropped. If I understand correctly, though, Seven wasn't actually brought in to replace Kes - she was brought in to replace Kim. The actor then won an award at the last minute, so they kept him and dropped Kes instead for some reason.

there were probably other things I wanted to respond to, but I didn't click 'quote' on them and I'm too tired to remember what.
 
There has been some recent evidence that Kes was actually replaced because the actress was severely mentally ill, and the Kim thing was a fake story-- either to save face or to intimidate Wang.

As for Roddenberry... I grew up reading all the self-serving BTS books written during his lifetime. I believed the Legend of Gene and was very disappointed and angry when the truth about him started coming out after his death.
It does make me second guess everything about him and his contributions, especially due to the fact that he had complete control over TMP and TNG seasons 1&2 and they were production nightmares.

But I can't help but notice when he took a back seat in TOS Season 3, the show turned to crap. So he must have been doing SOMETHING right, at least back in the '60s.
 
There has been some recent evidence that Kes was actually replaced because the actress was severely mentally ill
I've heard rumors that she was very difficult to work with. Wang also said he was never in danger of being written out (in the Delta Flyers podcast).

I don’t know what the truth is about High Ground Garrett (he's 53 years old and still acts like he's being bullied in high school), but he loves to shit-talk the writers. This time he didn't.
 
I've heard rumors that she was very difficult to work with. Wang also said he was never in danger of being written out (in the Delta Flyers podcast).

I don’t know what the truth is about High Ground Garrett (he's 53 years old and still acts like he's being bullied in high school), but he loves to shit-talk the writers. This time he didn't.
Given how she turned out I wouldn't be shocked
 
But I can't help but notice when he took a back seat in TOS Season 3, the show turned to crap. So he must have been doing SOMETHING right, at least back in the '60s.
If nothing else the man was actually good at surrounding himself with competent people and letting them work. He may have been a drug addicted, sex crazed, greedy glory hound but at the end of the day he believed in his people. Not so much on TNG, I guess, but he was getting old and senile so I'm less willing to hold that against him.

Also I don't know if it was ego or if it was genuine but he really seemed to believe in the fans and giving them what they wanted. There's an story I'm fond of where Nick Meyer tried to consult with a dying Gene Roddenberry about the character of Lt. Saavik showing up in Star Trek 6. She was going to be the traitor, but Gene, literally dying, told him no, he shouldn't do that, even though Saavik was a creation of Nick's, not Gene's. Gene told him the people wouldn't like it, and Nick Meyer said "She's my character and I'll do what I want with her!" and stormed out. Roddenberry suffered a stroke or something not long after, so that was basically the last time he was ever consulted about the franchise.

The thing is, they did ultimately have Saavik replaced with Lt. Valeris. Which ultimately worked out for the better for a couple of reasons. The first being it didn't screw with Saavik's character from the last few movies, but also Valeris was a hit with fans and critics thought her actress put in a great performance. She later went on record saying she wouldn't have wanted to take the role if she was going to be playing an established character, which believe it or not was the original plan for Saavik since both Kristie Alley and Robin Curtis couldn't come back to play her.

There's no way Gene in his state could have known all this, but even near the end the man's intuition was surprisingly sharp and he was right on the money, even about a character that wasn't even his.
 
If nothing else the man was actually good at surrounding himself with competent people and letting them work. He may have been a drug addicted, sex crazed, greedy glory hound but at the end of the day he believed in his people.
It's an interesting thing to compare to Star Wars. I think many parallels can be drawn: The iconic creator with a shitton of helpers that made a great IP, then the creator gets all the laurels, makes a few more products much later and it starts out rather lackluster, but slowly improves. Only with ST, TNG found its footing and gave an opportunity to grow into DS9, VOY and ENT (with growing flaws in those subsequent shows, but still some good things to be had).
SW really dropped the ball in the prequels, sorta got better by the end, but the overall damage to the IP was greater. Imagine TNG had stopped after season one, I think that would have been the tv-series equivalent of SW.

And of course, now both SW and ST have been turned into shitshows panhandling political ideologies in awkward ways, shitting all over established canon.
 
And of course, now both SW and ST have been turned into shitshows panhandling political ideologies in awkward ways, shitting all over established canon.

If you watch Those We Left Behind, which is the documentary of DS9... the first couple of minutes or so is the actors reading out viewers letters of complaint about how DS9 turned the show into Politically Correct garbage and its interesting to see, some people were picking up on the idea of the political themes that were a lot more front and centre in this than any other show up to that point. Some of its Muh Raycisms episodes are almost hilarious in how clunky they are... but then admittedly they were then balanced out in the writing usually with someone like Kassidy Yates-Sisko. Heck, Badda Bing Badda Bang is so grossly blatant in this we'd never give it a pass and be dabbing on it for being CURRENT YEAR with how much Avery Brooks rants about how Vegas "Really was" versus Penny Johnson pointing out they can go and enjoy it "how it should have been." There was a degree of it in DS9 that has been burred off with time and the utterly god-awful standard of writers today ramming political ideologies down our throats instead of using political themes as storytelling devices.
 
Far Beyond the Stars-is probably the most "woke" episode. It's not bad just from a writing/artistic standpoint. I'd criticize it on the grounds-that quite predictably to woke-ist trends-the White characters are all some sort of caricature.

The cops are literally the two villains of the series, Auberjonois is the timid businessman afraid of social change(tm), Shimmerman the idealist communist, and the rest are basically pastiches of RL sci fi writers of the time.

This is balanced because the acting is okay(whatever you think of how Brooks did the whole meltdown thing).

Star Trek has always had a liberal tent on racial issues-the idea of genuine equality and all.
 
This is balanced because the acting is okay(whatever you think of how Brooks did the whole meltdown thing).

I personally think it's one of the best acting sessions in Trek ever.

But Trek has always pitched it's tent towards the left but it wasnt preachy and got it's point across without being heavy handed.
 
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