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I didn't know it was coming and didn't notice it at all in the episode.
Which was good (apart from the "Braga" shit); even Chapel was completely tolerable.

But, and I guess it might be related to whatever the hell you're talking about, I did laugh when she suddenly put on an Elizabeth Holmes voice.
 
Because you faggots are talking about not very trekky shit, I'm here to talk Trekshit.

I really enjoyed episode 5 and wonder how thick the previewers are due to the fact that this was a character driven, somewhat amusing, bottle episode. Filmed entirely on the set of the Enterprise and a park/wood somewhere playing the role of Starbase 1 was just the kind of mid-season palette cleanser required.

We get to focus a bit more on Una and get more hints towards Chief Kyle who seems to be being quietly set up as a new Chief O'Brien in which a deeper character is hinted towards without actually showing it entirely on screen which breaks the "show don't tell" rule pretty grossly... but also seems to work in the same way a workplace reputation can get out of hand. Which is an amusing realistic touch that I actually enjoyed.

La'an and Una going about doing the Star Trek Bingo which is something the "lower ranks" did to amuse themselves was a good team building exercise and them going about it so awkwardly as the pair of workaholics they are was pretty good.

But all of that? Was the actual B plot, which did surprise me.

No, our main plotline was Spock and T'Pring... in a fucking Freaky Friday rip off.

It was pretty good. I kind of like this slightly more "new" take on Vulcans who, while following the teachings of Surak have simply controlled emotions and are still capable of feeling them. We see a bit more of this philosophy in T'Pring's job and how she returns "lost vulcans" those who have rejected Sunak's teachings to the fold.

Pretty fun conclusion to this subplot, in which Spock (In T'pring's body) simply decks the bloke she's supposed to be bringing back. When Spock tells her and apologises she points out that Spock having met him, twatting him was the logical conclusion.

A nice primary plot in which two characters are allowed to grow and better undertand eachother. Not going to spoil the T'Pring (as Spock) subplot but it gives equal and welcome character growth.

We also get a C (ish) plot about Chapel in which is a bit blah. It's revealed she's kind of hookup culture thru and thru and Ortega spends most of her time eye fucking her but this goes nowhere as it turns out Chapel begins to have a thing for Spock. To the point Spock confides in her about the whole situation.


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Theeeeeeen we go onto, well, the next episode which I personal feel was the weakest and wobbliest.

TBH its barely worth covering aside from a planet of child-killers and Pike beds their equivalent of Hilary Clinton. Its the first episode I could honestly say "eh, miss it." aside from the mild development of M'Benga's character and the subplot with his daughter. Some OK acting, but nobody really stands out in this one.

This is the one thing I will say about SNW, it does remind me a little of DS9. It's got consistent plotlines weaving its way through which allows us to see how these characters tick and think, and the extra 15 minutes is being used properly and well, even if it means we're losing 3 episodes as a result.
I thought the episode was just okay. It felt like they were trying to set up some kind of moral dilemma but just failed miserably. This week's episode was dumber but felt more like a Trek episode with an actually interesting reveal at the end.
 
I saw the TNG episode where Riker falls for the genderless "woman" again yesterday. I bet their point was "see, in this crazy mixed up world a person who wants to be female is treated as a villain - now imagine how a genderless person must feel in OUR world".

What they didn't account for was the fact that, if some people had their way, our future would unfold EXACTLY AS THE SOCIETY IN THIS EPISODE WAS WRITTEN. Complete with treating actual women as felons.
 
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I saw the TNG episode where Riker falls for the genderless "woman" again yesterday. I bet their point was "see, in this crazy mixed up world a person who wants to be female is treated as a villain - now imagine how a genderless person must feel in OUR world".

What they didn't account for was the fact that, if some people had their way, our future would unfold EXACTLY AS THE SOCIETY IN THIS EPISODE WAS WRITTEN. Complete with treating actual women as felons.
Actually, the episode was meant to be an allegory about discrimination against homosexual people. It just got rewritten to be about transgender people, then got rewritten again to be about feminism, before getting one last rewrite because Rick Berman thought it was too preachy, hence why the message is really confused and unclear.
 
To quote Cracked (Back when they were good) it comes across as one brave woman's quest for cock in the face of lesbian tyranny.
 
I saw the TNG episode where Riker falls for the genderless "woman" again yesterday. I bet their point was "see, in this crazy mixed up world a person who wants to be female is treated as a villain - now imagine how a genderless person must feel in OUR world".

What they didn't account for was the fact that, if some people had their way, our future would unfold EXACTLY AS THE SOCIETY IN THIS EPISODE WAS WRITTEN. Complete with treating actual women as felons.
Yeah, I said it was a redpilled episode much earlier in this thread.
 
If you had told them at the time that this episode will reverberate in the future they'd have been pleased then subsequently lost their shit when they realized exactly HOW it would reverberate. As you say, a gigantic fucking red pill.
IKR? Riker is literally a member of the Cis-Hetero patriarchy and is super trad gender relations.
 
IKR? Riker is literally a member of the Cis-Hetero patriarchy and is super trad gender relations.

Riker was Kirk toned down to a level that was acceptable for the late 80's and early 90's, he never met a chair he wouldn't sexually assault (yes I know about the actors back) and a alien species he wouldn't help to get to know better, he just did it with more charm than was expected of a I Love Lucy studio B side production at the time.

The initial casting idea was for Riker to look at Picard as a roll model of the man he should be, but he played the roll so well he just became his own in the end. On a side note I never like the Troy and Riker love pairing they did in the show and the films Troy and Riker just seem to different to be a couple and it ends up feeling forced, if Yar didn't get killed off I could have seen something happening there but I just didn't see it with Troy in a organic way.

There was apparently some question early in the writing for the script where Yar died and it was a toss up between her and Troy, and the writers where pressed to make it Yar by Rottencunt because he had a thing for Cirtis, I've never heard it conformed but he did have a thing for her and the actress who played Yar wasnt having any of it but Cirtis was so got special treatment.
 
I didn't know it was coming and didn't notice it at all in the episode.
Which was good (apart from the "Braga" shit); even Chapel was completely tolerable.

But, and I guess it might be related to whatever the hell you're talking about, I did laugh when she suddenly put on an Elizabeth Holmes voice.
The tranny refers to the guest star who played Dr. Aspen in this episode. The character was some sort of enby ayy, I guess, who nonetheless presents xirself as a chick. In real life, the actor is a tranny... specifically, a dude pretending to be a female. So, if you inadvertently fapped to that sultry minx in the catsuit you have my condolences.

Jess Bush as nuChapel I think comes by that tomboy voice honestly, but yeah she does kinda have an Elizabeth Holmes vibe with it when it goes super low.
 
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There was apparently some question early in the writing for the script where Yar died and it was a toss up between her and Troy
First I've heard that. The story has always been that Yar was killed off because Denise Crosby felt her character want getting developed enough.

But yep, they brought Sybok into it.
Ruined.
 
Discovery probably would be a better show if it were about Sybok instead of Whining Nigress.

That's how low the bar is.
 
The story has always been that Yar was killed off because Denise Crosby felt her character want getting developed enough.
Imagine if they had actually given her the role of Troi instead, which is what she was originally cast for. She would have played Psychic Woman Who Could Solve Half the Episodes in Five Minutes But Is Conveniently Absent. Assuming she made it past the first season she could then seethe as a Magical Negro stereotype shows up and steals what little her character has left. Marina should have been furious. I always wondered what the show would have been like if they had gone with the original casting before swapping her and Denise Crosby. Marina did surprisingly well in those "tough Troi" episodes.

I've been saying this for seven episodes and yet this nuTrek SNW show refuses to conform to my expectations and ruin itself just to spite me. It's entertaining me instead and I find that highly sus. There is a trick here somewhere.
 
Jess Bush as nuChapel I think comes by that tomboy voice honestly, but yeah she does kinda have an Elizabeth Holmes vibe with it when it goes super low.
I was referring to the character we were talking about, the one who's an obvious space pirate five seconds into the episode, but I guess it all makes sense now. If you're a dude you can drop an octave; I take it back.
 
I actually lost a ton of respect for Ira Steven Behr when he started claiming Garak and Bashir were supposed to be gay
The way I see it is that Garak used to be a naive idealist like Bashir and ran headfirst into reality, the talks with Bashir and the advice he gives are there to ease him into how shit the universe can be so that he doesn't have to go through the same thing Garak did. It also helps that, being the naive idealist, Bashir is probably the only person on the station who would actually be willing to talk with him. I guess there's also Jadzia but she's a boring thot and he ain't got time for that.
 
I don't know what crack the rest of y'all are smoking, but the new episode of SNW was absolutely awful. Everything with the smug tranny, Chapel saying "protip", the constant zoomins on El Navigatora de Goblina, the wink-wink nudge-nudge mutiny plan, fucking Sybok, and the retarded 80's cartoon villain getaway at the end. It somehow managed to be even more pointless than the mediocre Orville episode I followed it up with.
 
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