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I just had a thought, or more precisely a series of thoughts.

Cardassia undergoes natural disasters, resource shortages, famine, and plague that decimate their people.
This results in the Cardassians turning to a ruthless totalitarian state to survive.
This survival necessitates the invasion of Bajor, the enslavement of their people, and the rape of their world for resources.
This prompts the Bajoran resistance to fight back, eventually driving the Cardassians from Bajor.
Enter the Federation, who happily take control of DS9 and place Benjamin Sisko in charge.
Benjamin Sisko, as we know, was the Emissary of the Prophets, who had a direct hand in his creation for the purpose of defeating their ancient enemies the Pah Wraiths.
To contact Sisko the Prophets open the Wormhole.
The wormhole opening leads to the conflict between the Dominion and the Federation.
This conflict, in turn, leads to Gul Dukat, the overseer of the occupation, becoming a worshiper of the Pah Wraiths and a subsequent attempt to release them from their imprisonment and their defeat at the hands of the Emissary, as planned.

Funny how that all worked out for the Prophets, and all it cost them was the lives of 15 million Bajorans, 800 million Cardassians, and who knows how many Klingons, Humans, Vulcans, and other assorted "aggressive, adversarial" corporeal linear beings that they don't really seem to care about.
 
Exceptionally Exceptional said:
I just had a thought, or more precisely a series of thoughts.

Cardassia undergoes natural disasters, resource shortages, famine, and plague that decimate their people.
This results in the Cardassians turning to a ruthless totalitarian state to survive.
This survival necessitates the invasion of Bajor, the enslavement of their people, and the rape of their world for resources.
This prompts the Bajoran resistance to fight back, eventually driving the Cardassians from Bajor.
Enter the Federation, who happily take control of DS9 and place Benjamin Sisko in charge.
Benjamin Sisko, as we know, was the Emissary of the Prophets, who had a direct hand in his creation for the purpose of defeating their ancient enemies the Pah Wraiths.
To contact Sisko the Prophets open the Wormhole.
The wormhole opening leads to the conflict between the Dominion and the Federation.
This conflict, in turn, leads to Gul Dukat, the overseer of the occupation, becoming a worshiper of the Pah Wraiths and a subsequent attempt to release them from their imprisonment and their defeat at the hands of the Emissary, as planned.

Funny how that all worked out for the Prophets, and all it cost them was the lives of 15 million Bajorans, 800 million Cardassians, and who knows how many Klingons, Humans, Vulcans, and other assorted "aggressive, adversarial" corporeal linear beings that they don't really seem to care about.
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>invasion of Bajor
there was a perfectly reasonable treaty exchanging mineral rights for immediate assistance
just because the STUPID FILTHY BAJORANS couldn't keep up their end of the bargain isn't Cardassia's fault
 
FYI, our Captain Janeway is in the new Flowers in the Attic prequel.

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I haven't yet watched it (it's a miniseries of 4 episodes), but seems to be doing ok for ... well, being Flowers in the Attic.
 
Flexo said:
I feel ya but even SFDebris said it REALLY picks up from episode 3. (and I've heard from some other trekkies praising it) Like - the first two episodes are just awful.

I haven't watched it myself yet, but I'm about to give it a try once a copy falls off a truck based on all these recommendations.
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I want to reiterate that it gets better after the first two episodes, but its still VERY juvenile and a lot of its plots just go nowhere. It still has more genuine Trek moments in it than Discovery and Picard combined did, which is of course not saying much but its something.

Make no mistake though, the show has a lot of problems beyond just "the first two episodes suck". I stand by my point that Mariner and Boimler are irredeemable characters that should have just straight up not been part of the show and it should have focused on Tendi and Rutherford instead.

Haven't been compelled to see season 2 yet, either way.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
FYI, our Captain Janeway is in the new Flowers in the Attic prequel.

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I haven't yet watched it (it's a miniseries of 4 episodes), but seems to be doing ok for ... well, being Flowers in the Attic.
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Did Flowers in the Attic NEED a prequel?????????

L50LasPak said:
Make no mistake though, the show has a lot of problems beyond just "the first two episodes suck". I stand by my point that Mariner and Boimler are irredeemable characters that should have just straight up not been part of the show and it should have focused on Tendi and Rutherford instead.
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From things I've seen it's really hard not to read Mariner and Boimler as like... a perfect encapsulation and metaphor for modern day politics.
 
HarryHowler said:
The episode does have some interesting ideas, with exploring the consequences of prior Federation dealings with the internal affairs of worlds, and how captains might try to find loopholes in the Prime Directive, but grafting the age reversion plot onto it just killed the episode.
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I think it was a good concept. My elderly father really liked this and identified with Jameson's quest for youth.
I just think it wasn't executed all that well. The old man makeup is straight up comical. For some reason, it's looks especially funny when he's talking, like he's a Muppet or something.

I don't know why Hollywood never does this, but the best way to do something like this is cast a lookalike father and son for the old and young roles. Because old man makeup usually ends up looking silly.
 
Travoltron said:
I don't know why Hollywood never does this, but the best way to do something like this is cast a lookalike father and son for the old and young roles. Because old man makeup usually ends up looking silly.
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They literally did that in Supernatural where a father and son played the old and "youth" versions of a character with makeup adding a matching scar to them to make it extra obvious.

Hell a commercial did it.

So yeah, you're absolutely right it's silly they never thought to go with that idea.
 
Flexo said:
Did Flowers in the Attic NEED a prequel?????????
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Officially, there is a prequel book explaining why the grandmother is the bitch she is. I managed to watch the first half hour of the show and it's fine. It's meant to tell us how she started as a good, caring human who got trapped into a terrible family who broke her spirit. Very typical of the kind of literature that FitA is meant to be, full of tragic heroines.
 
Travoltron said:
The old man makeup is straight up comical. For some reason, it's looks especially funny when he's talking, like he's a Muppet or something.
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It doesn't help that he's made up to look like Steve Bannon's dick.

Simply put, he isn’t a particularly good actor. He reminded me too much of Joe Isuzu (best spokesman of all time).

 
Here is a great Stargate callback. In the episode Thor's Hammer, after being trapped in the labyrinth with James Earl Jones, MacGyver realizes that his gun still works despite Thor saying that weapons are disabled.

At this point Teal'c remarks: "This race may have considered projectile weapons too primitive to be concerned about."

Fast forward about seven years to season seven when the Replicators start to appear and Thor and the Asgard are all shocked that projectile weapons are so effective against the Replicator swarms. Thor claims that the Asgard have forgotten how to think in such simple terms; which is part of the reason why they like Humans and MacGyver in particular. This is good stuff.

Fuck new Star Trek.
 
Too Many Catgirls said:
Also the one with the super soldier armbands was neat. See, that's what Voyager always messed up. Those super soldier armbands came back into the show later on in an interesting way and were not just a one-off, throwaway bit. Just like the alien that thinks he's a guy that thinks he's an alien who later ends up making a television show. Or a whole bunch of the bits with Hathor. Or the Tok'ra arc and their originator Egeria being held in a cloning facility. That was all neat stuff. Voyager throws out their villains of the week all the time when they should have been keeping up with some of this stuff. The Kazon had a really cool looking design and were completely tossed to the side. The Hirogen were also pretty cool but again tossed away. Even a race like the Vaadwaur could have had some interesting stories to be told later on in the series besides a lame mention of their technology.

Stargate treated its creations much better than a show like Voyager which is crazy considering Voyager was being written concurrently with Deep Space Nine, which also took a lot of its creations seriously.
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that's a bit unfair, considering the shows have completely different premises and setups. getting a recurring villain in SG1 is as as easy as going "just dial the sequence again, lul". meanwhile it would make no sense for a kazon to show up in s4 or s6 when the main location - the voyager - is constantly flying right across the delta quadrant. you couldn't even add a large enough enemy faction that would show up constantly for long since that wouldn't fit the whole "lone federation starship far away from home". either it's friendly, helps the voyager crew out, and suddenly they're not really "alone" any more, or it's hostile, and given it's size and power would just nuke them in the premiere episode and be done with it.

Travoltron said:
I don't know why Hollywood never does this, but the best way to do something like this is cast a lookalike father and son for the old and young roles. Because old man makeup usually ends up looking silly.
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because you'd need a lookalike father/son duo to higher instead of slapping some rubber on a dude?

besides, it wasn't really big a deal imo. I didn't watch 90's TV for the great special effects, the whole thing was more to get the point across. kinda like why a stage play doesn't need cgi.
 
Kerr Avon said:
Stay away from Enigma Tales then.

which is a real shame because most of it is Doctor Pulaski mucking about postwar Cardassia and is funny

The insistence on Gay Garak really soured it
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And then Garak lovingly fucked him in the ass with his giant Cardassian dragon dick.

"Seems the Bajoran wormhole isn't the only thing around here that's open to invasion" quipped Julian.
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Flexo said:
Did Flowers in the Attic NEED a prequel????????
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Seeds In The Basement, or, its Italian title La Incestua de la Brotherfuckuas
 
Too Many Catgirls said:
Isn't Garak a pedophile though? Ziyal was definitely under age.
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She was with her first actress. They quickly got a much... older actress in her 3rd appearance when they realized they wanted to explore a relationship between her and Garak and wanted to AVOID the pedo thing.
 
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