Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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From John Larroquette's Memory Alpha page:
Among the Star Trek alumni who made recurring appearances on Night Court are Karen Austin, Jeff Corey, Alex Henteloff, Gregory Itzin, Keye Luke, George Murdock, Craig Richard Nelson, Annie O'Donnell, Bumper Robinson, Eugene Roche, Margot Rose, John Staible, Michael Hungerford, Kenneth Tigar, William Utay, and Brent Spiner. Other Trek alumni who made memorable one-time appearances include Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's Nana Visitor, Jack Axelrod, Robert Barron, James Cromwell, Larroquette's Search for Spock co-star Robin Curtis, Bibi Besch, Raye Birk, Paddi Edwards, Max Grodénchik, Kevin Peter Hall, Teri Hatcher (as his boss' daughter who kept trying to seduce him), Harvey Jason, Tony Jay, Paul Lambert, Stephen Lee, Eric Menyuk, Katherine Moffat, Nancy Parsons, Stephen Root, Ron Taylor, Wendy Schaal, Tony Todd, and Ray Walston.
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Flexo said:
Given that Klingons are supposed to have longer life spans than humans, Worf should only just be approaching middle age for his race.

I like to think his hair has turned white from all the beatings he's received over the years.
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He was also widowed twice, got cucked by Riker, murdured Gowron, found out his dad was slamming Romulan puss while he was being fed borscht by his russian parents and turned his son into a pussy through neglect,

Worf had a hard life
 
The more I think about it, the more it absolutely doesn't make sense that Seven of Nine would ever be in Starfleet as a command officer. Line officers weren't just people wearing red uniforms piloting ships; they had a specific personality type that put them in that uniform. They were, in TNG anyways, type A personality types that had a spine, were ambitious, socially adept, and learned how to fly ships as a basic profession. In junior officers, they look like Lavell or Young Riker or Locarno (not Tom Paris).

Now, look at Seven as a whole. In Voyager, she started off as a Borg liason, so not so great at diplomacy in the first place. Then she became a civilian scientist. For most of the show, she was largely aloof of other characters and formed bonds with a couple of people at most. While she absolutely has a spine, I would not say she ever became socially adept; her coolness is part of her charm. If you add her characterization in Picard, she was a vigilante, which law enforcement like Starfleet frown upon.

So, on a conceptual level, it makes no sense for her to be a First Officer because she's not that great with people. She's good at yelling at them, I guess, but anyone can do that. Good leaders inspire others to do their jobs well. She does make for a fine Chief Engineer though and that might have served the plot better.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
So, on a conceptual level, it makes no sense for her to be a First Officer because she's not that great with people. She's good at yelling at them, I guess, but anyone can do that. Good leaders inspire others to do their jobs well. She does make for a fine Chief Engineer though and that might have served the plot better.
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I think a Sciences officer would fit her better, specially someone who specializes on cybernetic applications in health, not necessarily with Starfleet. I can see her using what she learned with the borg to help people like Geordi to improve their lives. If they had done a good storyline with the whole androids plot, she could have been on the side of "tech is good, actually" and defending them as she was close to be a robot herself.
 
CaptainAutism69 said:
Sneed makes her take drugs to prove she's not a Fed. Of course this is only going to be because she has a drug addic arc for the rest of the season and cries a lot. The stuff back on the Titan is entertaining enough, although I wish the Captain wasn't such a crybaby cunt.
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least makes some sense, but then you remember that is star trek and the 24th century, with the medical knowledge available all the problems an addiction would cause are bs. you're telling me starfleet hasn't figured out a way to make people quit cold turkey with a single hypospray?
on top of that you have betazoids and other empaths running around, which would take care of any possible mental issues (and pick up on that shit the second they look at you). it's still a fucking military with mandatory military procedure...
 
bifftango said:
If the next episode of Picard starts with Worf torching Raffi's OD'd corpse on a funeral pyre... I'd be so happy.
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My instinct is rarely to blame actors for more than 41% of a bad character when the director, producers, and writers are generally way more culpable but with Raffi I am just not sure. I think the writing for her is definitely awful and they've tried so hard to make her into this edgy wild-card idealist who's got problems man, but when the rubber meets the road she's a total badass girlboss.

But in general the writing is just so shitty and tonally inconsistent/incorrect that you basically have to do what Mike and Rich said in their Picard review and accept that classic Trek is dead and gone forever outside of stuff like the Orville. Once you pass through the stages of grief the show becomes more palatable until the shitty writing and production starts smacking you in the face enough to snap you out of the coma the show has lulled you into.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
I think a Sciences officer would fit her better, specially someone who specializes on cybernetic applications in health, not necessarily with Starfleet. I can see her using what she learned with the borg to help people like Geordi to improve their lives. If they had done a good storyline with the whole androids plot, she could have been on the side of "tech is good, actually" and defending them as she was close to be a robot herself.
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Imagine a good episodic Star Trek show set in the same year as Picard, where one of the episodes is about 7 as a cyberneticist dealing with pushback against her pioneering implant technology, both as a result of her Borg past and due to lingering fears of transhumanism spurred by Trek's eugenics wars: it could explore whether the federation's ban (I think it was a ban? I'm not a giant Star Trek nerd) on genetic augmentation should also be extended to cybernetics, and incorporate a dramatic dose of anti-Borg prejudice that is actually appropriate in the context of an ex-Borg helping to design increasingly advanced and invasive implants for Federation citizens. Heck, bring Data back in, ask the question "if we aren't allowed to modify ourselves, why is it acceptable to make tailored, superior synthetic life?" if there has to be an element of endangerment for synths involved.
 
Brain Problems said:
My instinct is rarely to blame actors for more than 41% of a bad character when the director, producers, and writers are generally way more culpable but with Raffi I am just not sure. I think the writing for her is definitely awful and they've tried so hard to make her into this edgy wild-card idealist who's got problems man, but when the rubber meets the road she's a total badass girlboss.

But in general the writing is just so shitty and tonally inconsistent/incorrect that you basically have to do what Mike and Rich said in their Picard review and accept that classic Trek is dead and gone forever outside of stuff like the Orville. Once you pass through the stages of grief the show becomes more palatable until the shitty writing and production starts smacking you in the face enough to snap you out of the coma the show has lulled you into.
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I have nothing against the actress -- she was perfectly fine in Ash vs Evil Dead. I just want the character to go away.
 
crowabunga said:
Imagine a good episodic Star Trek show set in the same year as Picard, where one of the episodes is about 7 as a cyberneticist dealing with pushback against her pioneering implant technology, both as a result of her Borg past and due to lingering fears of transhumanism spurred by Trek's eugenics wars: it could explore whether the federation's ban (I think it was a ban? I'm not a giant Star Trek nerd) on genetic augmentation should also be extended to cybernetics, and incorporate a dramatic dose of anti-Borg prejudice that is actually appropriate in the context of an ex-Borg helping to design increasingly advanced and invasive implants for Federation citizens. Heck, bring Data back in, ask the question "if we aren't allowed to modify ourselves, why is it acceptable to make tailored, superior synthetic life?" if there has to be an element of endangerment for synths involved.
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Deus Ex? I know the prequels really want me to play it as if it was Star Trek.
 
Picard episode 3. More of the same. This show certainly is a slow burn. Worf, while being a violent pacifist (?) also has old man voice. Troi cameos and is just acting like Sirtis. Crusher and Picard have one meaty scene explaining her running away pregnant, marred by spastic shaky cam (one of the show's worst flaws which the producers might think keeps the tone "exciting.") There's also pensive, emotional slow motion trauma scenes to help us know we are sad.

Some more random swearing, non professional chit chat, and un-Roddenberry blaming from the crew to various parties "it's all your fault!" Titan's doctor chides Beverly "you're old and can't do stuff anymore" before Bev puts her skills to use, rather like Geordi bitching at Scotty in the Dyson Sphere episode.

Vadic creatively uses the portal weapon, to keep Titan from escaping, and to send Titan's own torpedos back at it. By the end of the episode little more has happened besides revealing Vadic is in cahoots with
rogue Changelings.

Worf and Rafi's prisoner doesn't even try to escape. Worf determines the portal weapon was a diversion so he and Rafi are on their way to Daystrom to investigate. Captain Shaw is injured so he transfers command to Riker. Picard pisses off everybody by insisting they fight before that strategy gets their asses handed to them, and the final shot is him sulking off the bridge with his tail between his legs.

We are at the point where three hours of runtime could fit in less than half of that.
 
Episode 3 - was okay. In fact I was quite enjoying it until the last 10 minutes or so. River being a big pussy feels out of character. Raffi is still by far the worst part of it. It benefits immensely from having a cast (i.e. the TNG crew, and 7) which actually has chemistry. Shaw grows on you more and more. The big bad is revealed to be

changelings


It hasn't yet turned to complete shit, which is frankly amazing. It has lots of easter eggs which can be a bit distracting like Worf listening to Berlioz, the red alert icon looking like TOS movie version, etc.
 
Really good episode, although it seems to be a pain in the ass for the writers to turn Raffi into an watchable character. She's basically female Worf but without the Klingon Warrior LARP or the interesting background.

Cnut said:
Crusher and Picard have one meaty scene explaining her running away pregnant, marred by spastic shaky cam (one of the show's worst flaws which the producers might think keeps the tone "exciting.")
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I don't know why Frakes thought that he needed a shaky cam for the wide shots during that scene.
You can feel how this season is radically different from Kurtzman Trek, here Picard actually acts like Picard and not the old man that Stewart wanted to play.
 
Okay, Riker and Picard are too stupid to use photon torpedos as mines now or using the contents of the nebula to their advantage. Remember the Riker maneuver from Insurrection? Yeah, I do... Was probably one of the better things the movie established.
 
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