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Trek died with Enterprise.
Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier
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Well, I think I heard the "subtle dig" at previous show runners happened in this episode with "I don't care what you THINK happened on the Stargazer, but the REAL Borg are still out there, terrorizing the place."
Not a defense of the show, just that that Burnett guy said there was one.
Not a defense of the show, just that that Burnett guy said there was one.
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They said they were fans of TOS. You don't need to have actually lived in the 60s to be a fan of the original series, and they were old enough to have already seen reruns of it before TNG because they were 10 when Fairpoint first airead. And, at that age, it makes more sense for a kid to say "I don't like this new show because it doesn't have my favorite characters". Can't remember the whole thing, but Rich said he started watching ST during the break between Best of Both Worlds 1 and 2.
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RLM reviewed the rest...either they are watching something different to me, or they are broken in the head
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As a member of Generation X who watched the premier of Next Generation when it originally aired, this may sound a bit like an old man telling kids to get off his lawn, but this is a pretty accurate assessment of what was going on. The original crew still had movies coming out, there were novels being published every few months, the original series was still the highest rated show in syndication - TOS was still pretty popular.
It was difficult enough getting some older Trek fans to watch a show that did not feature the original crew. As a kid, I was kind of interested in the show, but gave up after a few episodes because I liked the guys from the movies better and the series wasn't exactly very good at that point. I didn't return to the show until I got to high school and some of the other kids assured me the show had gotten good.
Back then it didn't pay to get too attached to science fiction shows because the few that made it on the air usually got cancelled fairly quickly. There were couple, like V or Something is Out There that had well received ministries but then flipped when made regular series out of them. If I wanted a science fiction fix on TV, I had to rely on reruns of The Tripods and Doctor Who on PBS on Saturday night.
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I was gonna write that too. Undiscovered Country was premiered in 1991, that's only three years before final season and about one year after Best of Both Worlds. It makes sense some kids, specially the nerd ones, would feel the need to be "loyal" to the original cast.
That's how Rich said it happened to him, IICR. People were saying "resistance is futile" everywhere, and then he decided to watch the show because everybody was watching it.
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fuck year
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Because it was pretty obvious right away they were "repurposing" the 80's TOS films pretty hard, I started rewatching the 4K releases of those films. It's astonishing what actual Star Trek was able to pull off so effortlessly, so succinctly and how this show just trips all over itself and agonizes hard with scene after scene of "character moments", pulling what might be the biggest Treknobabble cope of all time just to accommodate a few more (our power-hungry energy->matter holodecks have their own independent power supply in case we need to euthanize ourselves comfortably with memberberries and yet we can't plug replicators into these batteries to replicate ourselves oxygen or do anything else actually useful with that enormous source of energy). Sure, all those TOS films are full of plot holes too but they were usually in service of deftly-executed dramatic moments. With this show, it's a lot of wanking. I've never seen a show try so hard to piss down the back of it's audience while telling them that it's raining. Yes, Picard S3 is a Good Show™ by nuTrek standards but those standards were set so abysmally low by STD that it would never take much. I thought Strange New Worlds was good, relatively speaking, but it's still nuTrek and Picard S3 is still nuTrek.
There is a moment at the very end of this past episode (Episode 4) that pretty much sums it up:
nuCrusher: To seek out new life...
nuRiker: Guise let's boldly get the fucking shit cunt out of here..!!!
I may not be 100% accurate on the wording because there was a lot of talking in this episode, a lot of dialogue, but that was basically the gist. I guess, though, that's it's easier for the TOS era to naturally extend some character relationships and story arcs 15-20 years into the future than for nuTrek to get hold of TNG and do the same thing with a different iteration, with MUCH older characters/actors, with the bonus imperative to rip-off better work done by prior iterations of the franchise.Honey Bunny is really gonna have to pee next time she has to severed-limb zoom call Snoke.
No, its really doesn't, man. No 10 year old in 1987 was going "this sucks. Where's my Kirk?" 30-40 year olds, maybe. You aren't a 10 year old watching the countdown to TNG and thinking: "God, I can't wait for the 80's to be over so things stop sucking. Gonna check out for a few years and go watch Alf". That is a pure cope in retrospect. If somebody says "I just quit watching it", you likely forgot what time and channel it was being syndicated on or some shit because TNG was all over the place. The idea of 10 year olds being these fickle fans with perfect perspective is fucking dumb.
The reason they didn't watch until S3 is most likely because they weren't into Star Trek and were just slow on the uptake coming from Star Wars once the culture shifted in the 90's. Today, most genre nerds are "fans" of everything and back then you would have watched it all too (because there just wasn't that much of anything) but your public utterances were something different. You had a preference and that's what you were a "fan" of and it likely had to do with what you were exposed to at the time it was "a thing". Being a sci-fi / genre fan back in the 80's was sort of like Olymipics gymnastics: you could be born just a year or two too late and miss out on it catching you. The >muh first two seasons meme has done more damage to people's recollection of 1980's Star Trek than anything, nevermind people who are too young to have any living memory of what it was like to be a kid in the 1980's in the first place. Some dork sitting around going "nah, fuck you TNG people and fuck you Star Wars on VHS people I'm a fan of TOS" would have gotten the shit kicked out of them by both (nerd-debate speaking). It would have been highly suspicious. Only explanation is they had convention uncles in their 40's protecting them from getting bullied but not letting them watch TNG at first and they're still coping to this day. Only thing that makes sense, dude.
Oh for fucks sake...
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Encounter at Farpoint sucked and convinced a lot of old Trekkies that TNG was just going to be absolute shit. It wasn't really until the third season that things got consistently good. At that point, though, a lot of the space opera shit needed to be seen in order because they started introducing character arcs and more complex plotting than simply having an episodic series.
And then you had fucking Wesley. Thanks a lot Eugene WESLEY Faggenberry.
Coming from the same viewpoint, and actually enough of a nerd and a Trekkie that I was actually at a party where we watched it, my problem wasn't that the original cast wasn't in it, but that it SUCKED.
There was a sour sense of disappointment in the room.
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It's a cope, Picard S3 might be better than seasons 1 or 2 but it's still liquid shit. Trekkies spent years complaining about ENT, VOY and even DS9 or TNG as "not MY Star Trek!" But they btfo anything made since the end of Nemesis, the fucking episode were Janeway and Tom Paris get turned in lizards and fuck is better than all of Picard. This is the hell that Trekkies made for themselves.
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Sturgeon's Law. Ninety percent of everything is crap. TOS, the first six movies, TNG, and DS9 were good. We should expect about 153 seasons and 54 movies of crap to follow. More or less. You can make adjustments for TOS S3, the odd-numbered movies, and TNG S1-S2.
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Don't forget change over time. Those odd-number movies have definitely improved with age. Probably should start visualizing shit with advanced analytics and a rolling sentiment graph to monitor relative opinion changes, though. I want to know if and when I've shifted into another Berenstain universe where toddlers were throwing Spaghetti-O's at their TVs in fall '87 because Decker and Illia became Riker and Troi, sorta like how Crusher had the computer read-out Picard's vitals in real-time in TNG: "Remember Me". I suppose next some fucker's gonna try and tell me Dolly never wore braces. I want to be ready.
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III is a solid movie, I never understood where the hate for it comes from. V is just Shatner's personal memetic device - which suffers from the absence of ILM, but otherwise it's pretty good.
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I'd say that even about the episode where Deanna Troi gets raped and impregnated by an alien, which is probably the cringiest episode in the entire series.
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I've watched some of S1 and 2 this week. I like the one with the drones where Jordi Le Fridge gets command and seperates the ship, and the war games one with Riker and the space jews. Then there's the one with the parasites, and the introduction to the Borg.
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I'm enjoying it.
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No you're not.
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Nah not a chance in hell this was worse than Threshold or Profit and Lace or...most of Enterprise. It was solidly meh episode that had some decent moments, but it most certainly wasn't the worst of Picard.
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It's a danger critics have to struggle with. If it's your literal job to watch films, and you're seeing them all day after day, then of course the 37th copycat slasher film or 800th rom com is going to bore your brains out. So then that weird, quirky indie flick becomes the greatest thing you've ever seen just because it's something different.
Whereas with regular audiences who maybe only get to see one or two movies for an entire week, they're not seeing all the copycats, just a movie they are in the mood for.
Likewise if you're stuck watching crap consistently, any improvement makes it feel like the greatest thing you've ever seen.
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You don't have to be one or the other. Star Wars was a spent force by the time The Next Generation came out. There was no rivalry. At least not for someone who wasn't a basement dwelling, comic book reading, fingers stained with Cheeto dust, forever virgin.
TNG got off to a rough start. Encounter at Farpoint was a lame. The next episode was a follow up to a forgettable TOS episode. And then the horrible black person episode. After the black person episode I dipped out and would only watch it if the commercial looked good. Which was few and far between.
What put it on the map was The Best of Both Worlds. That made TNG event TV. Not just something you watch if you have nothing better to do. That cliffhanger was amazing back in the day. That's when it made up ground on TOS and became something normies talked about.