Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Pissmaster]

DATA NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

[TVB]

This is actually relevant here

 

[GilaCutter]

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Negro, colored, and n*gger were terms used for people of African ancestry or appearance (such as having dark skin or being black) throughout the English-speaking world until the mid-20th century. During Benjamin Sisko's vision of 1950s America, Benny Russell and other people of color were often...

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I'm sure not a single editor of that wiki notices the irony.

I used to like reading memory alpha.

As much as I hate nu-Wars, at least wookieepedia conveniently has the articles split into both "legends" and "canon" so you can easily skip everything Disney was involved with.

 

[WonderWino]

https://blog.trekcore.com/2023/03/star-trek-starfleet-academy-series-begins-production-in-2024/

More info about the academy show. Strong implications that it may be set in the era discovery is currently in and word is starting to go around that it may involve tilly in some way through some kind of setup in discovery

ffs they really are trying to do everything possible to kill it right from the get go

 

[Ike Aim]

As much as I hate nu-Wars, at least wookieepedia conveniently has the articles split into both "legends" and "canon" so you can easily skip everything Disney was involved with.

Legends only refers to EU, though. All of the pre-Disney Lucasfilm Star Wars including the OT and PT and Clone Wars are still hopelessly mixed with Disney nuWars in canon. Star Trek is a mess too but the one (slight) advantage that Star Trek fandom has is that - almost universally - nuTrek is radically different in appearance and tone to "classic" pre-2009 Star Trek. Whereas Disney went very intentionally for a superficial aesthetic similarity, both JJ Abrams and Paramount did not. You can tell almost immediately that something you're looking at is nuTrek fugazi garbage. Everything done since JJ Trek looks and feels like watching a fan film. Even the greatest departures, such as ST4->TNG or VOY->ENT still had a basic tonal and aesthetic through-line.

Another advantage that Trek has is time travel and alt universes in canon, making it trivial to invalidate everything done by nuTrek with literally a snap of Q's fingers. Whatever byzantine arrangement that exists constituting the Star Trek rights situation at Paramount / Bad Robot / Secret Hideout, it apparently precludes them (or strongly discourages them) from directly involving themselves in anything done in classic Trek to any meaningful extent. You get cameos and dream sequences and fan service-y glimpses of props and name-drops out the ass but we've yet to see them actually touch classic Star Trek except from this askew nuTrek re-telling that looks and feels nothing like what they're telling you it represents. I've also read speculation that this is done as a way to "vault" classic Star Trek to preserve lucrative merchandising licensing deals but I don't claim to understand any of it.

The point is I guess if someone wanted to create a wiki for "classic" Star Trek it's definitely do-able while maintaining plausible deniability. I didn't even touch on how gaming and the litverse represent a potential cleavage with nuTrek, in a way not unlike how the 80's TOS films kinda wrecked shit for FASA and TNG ass raped the extant (and quite excellent) Klingon lore in the late 80's, but it's possible. I vaguely remember one prominent fan creating and maintaining a "non-nuTrek" site but he may have since cucked.

Star Trek: Strange New Worlds tried passing this off as the authentic Monster Maroon uniform.

 

[IDanceonTrannyGraves]

Tonight's episode was pretty good. Nothing felt inherently stupid and I didn't mind how they took back the ship.

Spiner is still great as Lore and that Geordi/Data moment about friendship hit me right in the feels.

Also Worf's line about heads was fucking hilarious.

It was nice to watch an episode that felt like it was written by someone who actually likes Star Trek.

 

[Cnut]

This week's Picard was dumb and barely enjoyable. I don't really remember all the setup from last week but Picard/Crushers/LaForges are in a safe part of the ship while the changelings have taken the Titan's bridge and everyone else is in danger. Vadic demands Jack to the bridge and tortures the crew until he arrives, including executing one. (Sadly it was the pudgy bald Vulcan chick I know you all thirsted for. Actually of all the lower-tier characters I thought she had the best screen presence. The Asian green sweat alien chick weeped all her charisma away tonight.)

Data and Lore have a cyber-showdown that is one of the series highlights so far. You'll never guess the trump card.

So Jack comes to the bridge as demanded in what should have been a "show us your hands" moment. Turns out he's not got a thermal detonator but a personal forcefield device he activates while the FUCKING VIEWSCREEN OPENS LIKE A SHUTTLE BAY DOOR sucking all the bad guys into space right before Vadic could tell him the secrets of his funny powers which have so far proved semi-useless. Thanks Data. Vadic flies into the void and dies by shattering into a million pieces on the Shrike's hull, strangely just feet from the deflector dish. Get your money back on that deflector, guys. Famous last words: "Fucking solids!" No one ever knew what was up with her talking hand.

Worf saves Troi and Riker by stabbing a birdman. They discover, like many of you guessed, that the changelings wanted parts of Picard's brain with Irrumodic Syndrome. They all get back to the Titan on a cloaked shuttle. Later Raffi and the birdmen have a swordfight. With swords. Raffi stabbed a changeling in the face. That's right. Changelings 2.0 killed by swords.

The old gang is back together having an important conference like they always did on TNG. Excepted are Seven, Raffi and Shaw because this is a nostalgia moment. Data can use contractions now. Pacifist Worf jokes about decapitation. Troi has funny hair and I don't think it was supposed to be implied but Beverly seems standoffish with her. It is decided Troi needs to "counsel" Jack about his visions when he could have just asked Vadic. Let's open the red door together. Spooky music. Cue cliffhanger.

It's interesting in retrospect how many spoilers the end title sequence contains. I wonder how many I missed and how many are forthcoming.

Amanda Plummer was a delight on this show, too bad she's gone.

All in all, the character moments are proving to go down very well but the poor "star trekishness" and all the convenient turns of the plot make this series like a 3 out of 10 so far. I've been watching Better Call Saul lately which is Grade A modern television; funnily in comparison the ethical dilemmas and culture clashes are much akin to old trek.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

How lame that's how they decided to kill off Hunny Bunny. It's like the script writers said 'ok, time to move onto the next phase of the story, get rid of her'
Again, nothing with the mystery boxes explained or hinted at, just more treading water.

 

[Quarterback Rex Grossman]

https://blog.trekcore.com/2023/03/star-trek-starfleet-academy-series-begins-production-in-2024/

More info about the academy show. Strong implications that it may be set in the era discovery is currently in and word is starting to go around that it may involve tilly in some way through some kind of setup in discovery

ffs they really are trying to do everything possible to kill it right from the get go

As long as they keep sending early screeners to Nerdrotic and company they'll have the anti-woke brigade fully on their side.

 

[White Devil]

How lame that's how they decided to kill off Hunny Bunny. It's like the script writers said 'ok, time to move onto the next phase of the story, get rid of her'
Again, nothing with the mystery boxes explained or hinted at, just more treading water.

Isn't Kuntzman a disciple of JJ Abrams? Mystery box was his only technique.

 

[Tasty Tatty]

https://blog.trekcore.com/2023/03/star-trek-starfleet-academy-series-begins-production-in-2024/

More info about the academy show. Strong implications that it may be set in the era discovery is currently in and word is starting to go around that it may involve tilly in some way through some kind of setup in discovery

ffs they really are trying to do everything possible to kill it right from the get go

They think that because people are somehow liking PIcard, they will then like the previous atrocities... how can anybody understand so little about how humans work?

"You don't like the food I made? Well, I'd do something else and if you like that, it means now retroactively you will enjoy the thing you didn't like."

 

[TVB]

Isn't Kuntzman a disciple of JJ Abrams? Mystery box was his only technique.

They're on the same tugboat

 

[WonderWino]

How lame that's how they decided to kill off Hunny Bunny. It's like the script writers said 'ok, time to move onto the next phase of the story, get rid of her'
Again, nothing with the mystery boxes explained or hinted at, just more treading water.

Not 100% sure she was killed. Getting frozen and smashed up doesn't make a whole lot of sense as a way to kill a changeling. Remember what happened to the T-1000 in the liquid nitrogen? Not that I expect the same thing here but it wouldn't surprise me if she popped up at the very end pissed off either

Raffi stabbed a changeling in the face. That's right. Changelings 2.0 killed by swords.

Lets take a moment to remember that odo had a literal mace thrown through his head that didn't harm him in the slightest. Nice going writers

That said the entire episode was another pointless filler episode that didn't advance the actual plot and somehow managed to end on the exact same cliffhanger the previous episode did. and troi being the idiot she is telling jack to open the door that the big bad wanted him to open doesn't sound like the smartest way to handle the situation. She's either more incompetent than I ever thought possible or the changelings pulled a switcheroo on their ship and troi is deliberately trying to trick him into doing what the changelings want him to

 

[feral cat #6385]

I'm rooting for Jellico to swoop in and save the day. F these sissies.

 

[CaptainAutism69]

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Lets take a moment to remember that odo had a literal mace thrown through his head that didn't harm him in the slightest. Nice going writers

Do we know for sure that the clicky bird monsters are actually changelings? Like, have we ever seen them change?

 

[WonderWino]

d

Do we know for sure that the clicky bird monsters are actually changelings? Like, have we ever seen them change?

Yes, they've done it several times, including when gaining access to the bridge

 

[Molly White's Breast Milk]

d

Do we know for sure that the clicky bird monsters are actually changelings? Like, have we ever seen them change?

I was just watching Schisms and the subspace aliens made the exact same clicking sounds. Maybe they're still pissed Riker wasted one of their scientists when he escaped?

 

[CaptainAutism69]

Yes, they've done it several times, including when gaining access to the bridge

Well I missed/forgot that, and think it's fucking retarded that a) they die to knives in the head, and b) they choose to take the form of bird clicky monsters instead of starfleet crew when trying to capture a ship

 

[BIG BILL HELL'S]

I'm rooting for Jellico to swoop in and save the day. F these sissies.

From the looks of it on IMDB Ronny Cox is still working at age 84!

 

[Kerr Avon]

Not to be outdone by RTD casting one of these freaks in Who , the official Star Trek accounts are boosting this things appeal for gibs to an ACLU Drag Defense Fund