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Clown College 2nd Year said:
They made a huge mistake in saying that the entire fleet was there assembled at earth. They should have said some random percentage over 50% or something that way the stakes would have been high yet not complete overkill.
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Eh even at the low end estimates of Starfleet's fleet strength is at around 5 to 6,000 thousand ships not counting runabouts, shuttles or fighters.
 
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They're putting DNA in the transporters that turn the friggin kids Borg! Don't you understand that!?
 
Just rewatched Hard Time and Wounds back to back.

O'brien must suffer on the daily. From veteran's PTSD, to being cloned, to twenty years in virtual prison to being kidnapped for a Cardassian show trial, to having his daughter do time travel and end up feral, and his son get womb transplanted.

Keiko isn't the most pleasant lady on screen, but she must be incredibly supportive because that man holds together better than stone.
 
Ishtar said:
Just rewatched Hard Time and Wounds back to back.

O'brien must suffer on the daily. From veteran's PTSD, to being cloned, to twenty years in virtual prison to being kidnapped for a Cardassian show trial, to having his daughter do time travel and end up feral, and his son get womb transplanted.

Keiko isn't the most pleasant lady on screen, but she must be incredibly supportive because that man holds together better than stone.
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It's also an inside joke that his old kayaking injury also happens to be the place where he gets shot or hit. I call it O'brien's Law of Gravitational injury which dictates that every fist, rifle butt, rock, and energy beam must hit him in the shoulder.
 
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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
It's also an inside joke that his old kayaking injury also happens to be the place where he gets shot or hit. I call it O'brien's Law of Gravitational injury which dictates that every fist, rifle butt, rock, and energy beam must hit him in the shoulder.
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"AAAAAAAH MY SHOULDER!" - A very cultured man.
 
Betonhaus said:
Which is kinda disappointing, as the Jurati Borg could've been an interesting concept to delve into. it could've been an asynchronous hivemind, with members having some individuality - and even ability to leave and rejoin as they wish. They could've been scientists pursuing their passions while having access to advanced tech and processing abilities. They could be working in conjunction with AI's like alt-Earth Jurati's holographic pet.
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Jurati died on her way back to her homeworld.
 
Burt Ryan said:
I was expecting Pah'wraiths behind that red door
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As soon as Troi asked if she could open the door for him, I audibly kek'd and no longer cared what it was. You don't just waltz into someone's subconscious and start fucking with their totems and symbolic objects like it's no big deal. And if you do, you commit to the bit and treat it like a dream heist from Inception. So, devote the b-plot of an entire episode to Troi doing an "away mission" inside his mind to steal whats behind the door if he refuses to open it. She has to forcably open his "door" (a profound symbol for growth, revelation, and other gay shit), but it mindbreaks Jack and spiritually/psychologically cucks him. This sets up Jack being a crybaby bitch in a more sympathetic way and also sets up a much more interesting conflict between her and Beverly/Jean Luc rather than a 60-second conversation. It's as if the writers themselves did not fully understand what the significance of a door in dreams and visions should be.

I get that Marina Sertis' Troi was so disrespected on Star Trek it makes you wonder if they were trying to get her to quit during TNG since they couldn't kill-off two original female characters, but that doesn't mean that they couldn't make it right by giving her more to do than running back to Sickbay with gossip and then citing "starfleet protocol" on Borg as-if they weren't all already a bunch of outlaws. I always had a soft spot for Marina Sertis role on TNG ever since they gave her a few darker roles to play and she did really well and it was apparent they utterly fucked up when they swapped her casting with Denise Crosby (Marina was originally supposed to play Tasha Yar) and then added insult to injury with Guinan.

Betonhaus said:
Which is kinda disappointing, as the Jurati Borg could've been an interesting concept to delve into
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Ike Aim said:
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The Borg inherently could be interesting if the same level of technology had a different culture. If the Borg wasn't so obsessed with uniformity and utilitarianism, but acknowledged its core members cultural origins and had a sense of 🎶aesthetics✨ it could've been very interesting.
 
Betonhaus said:
The Borg inherently could be interesting if the same level of technology had a different culture. If the Borg wasn't so obsessed with uniformity and utilitarianism, but acknowledged its core members cultural origins and had a sense of 🎶aesthetics✨ it could've been very interesting.
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I don't know if this was part of the studio mandate for named Borg characters, but the Borg have been fucked since Borgified Picard got a name. I always thought the mandates came after BoBW, but I could be wrong. Either way, Locutus led to Hugh which led to Borg Queen and all of these things just reduce them to another race / faction. The entire draw of the Borg is that they're basically space zombies and as played-out as zombies may be, all the same lessons apply. They're not interesting. They're a force of nature. The interesting stuff rests with how they came to be and what individuals/groups/society becomes in dealing with them. You get all the basics covered in TNG: Q Who with Q's monologue on the Borg and then Riker's away mission in that same episode. From that point forward, all you can do is make things worse by "exploring" the Borg.

Instead, we've got the Dominion War and Soong androids playing the role of life-as-we-know-it -altering threat and the Borg being studio-mandated arch villain / antagonist that show up once per season to job.
 
Cnut said:
Variety article about the bridge with tastelessly colored still promotional photos featuring the cast dressed like 1999 X-Men
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The X-Men movie came out in 2000, dingus. You're a year off.
 
It might be a low bar, but this is the best season of Picard. 1 and 2 were slow as fuck snooze-fests, then they forced faggotry into it with Seven and Raffi lezzing it up which also put me off it.

I unironically enjoyed most of season 1 and 2 of Discovery, then vowed to never watch it again after watching the whole of S3 waiting for it to get good, but instead just got more queers and overweight bridge trolls. It's a shame because it wasn't the best Trek by far but it was one that I could also watch with my wife. She doesn't give a shit about tachyon emissions and positronic dicks etc, so I don't think she would be interested in anything pre Enterprise.
 
Betonhaus said:
I wasn't expecting the Borg. I was hoping Jack would go to the benign faction from last season but that didn't happen.

... Hang on, would this hint that the insurgent Changelings are NOT associated with the Changing hive but are tools being used by the Borg? What happened to all of the Changelings on the ships? Did they evacuate, get assimilated, or are cooperating? Is the Borg going to betray them?
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The answer to that question is absolutely yes. Its how the borg operate and they have a history of it. Something you'd think they'd be aware of and expect. I suspect the borg are using them because they rightfully noticed they are ignorant fanatics and are using them as useful idiots

That said, i'm starting to think there is some truth to the writers getting ideas from that return novel. The fact the name vox came up strongly implies it given that it was the name of the romulan equivalent of locutus in that novel

Cnut said:
So far the story's been C- and drawn out… the idea that some sad Pooner Changeling had an alliance with Borg is completely illogical, especially with the sliced hand thing as a biological link
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Not to mention the queen was somehow able to inflict pain during said communication. The hand thing doesn't make sense at all

Miller said:
Given how Kurtzman unofficially blacklisted Shatner, I wouldn't be surprised if Marc Alaimo got the same treatment.
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You can add dwight shultz to that list as well, to the point cryptic wouldn't even consider using his character in any capacity in STO

Remember the same people doing this shit will tell you the anti communist blacklisting in hollywood back in the day was totally abusive and wrong

I imagine they'll have jack break control and shut down the network or something,
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At this point thats basically the only thing that could happen, otherwise they're pretty much fucked on every level as far as being able to do anything about the situation

Cnut said:
Allegedly the D bridge's verisimilitude is due to Doug Drexler having a set of genuine blueprints he lent the production. I wonder where the carpet came from if it hasn't been manufactured in decades.
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I'd take that with a grain of salt. cbs got rid of the majority of props, costumes and such a few years after enterprise ended and they decided they weren't going to be producing anything for the foreseeable future, but they absolutely retained the plans and blueprints for sets. I know this because it was cbs that provided the original plans to cryptic at their request to help then design the galaxy and intrepid class bridges and the redesign ds9 to make it 100% show accurate. As for the carpet the probably put the word out and found somebody who had a very old supply in storage somewhere

Molly White's Breast Milk said:
They're putting DNA in the transporters that turn the friggin kids Borg! Don't you understand that!?
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I laughed way too hard at that
 
Betonhaus said:
The Borg inherently could be interesting if the same level of technology had a different culture. If the Borg wasn't so obsessed with uniformity and utilitarianism, but acknowledged its core members cultural origins and had a sense of 🎶aesthetics✨ it could've been very interesting.
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Yep, you would have Liberal borgs... meaning they would self-destroy in about 50 years.
 
IDanceonTrannyGraves said:
Better than not getting it. It could have ended up like Star Wars.
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There was no guarantee it was going to turn out oriented to the fans, but I agree on the grounds that they were already fucking with TNG. If there had been no Picard S1 or S2 I would have been among the group of people saying "leave TNG alone", but as a way to cope with all the damage that Secret Hideout was doing and as a way to potentially stop people from doing more damage, sure why not.
 
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