Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
I think the lore reason why the Terran Empire fell apart was because Mirror Spock did try to larp as the Federation, but it was politically infeasible given the political climate. And it also means Kirk lied by omission because the regular universe also had war with great powers. It's just by the time of TOS, the war had gotten cold* and they were patrolling to stop possible incursions.

*Garth of Izar was still alive, meaning the Battle of Axanar was in living memory.
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Its not canon, but in the glass empires series of novels that starts a few days after mirror mirror ends its shown that mirror spock eventually took power with the intent of moving the empire toward a republic and then deliberately setting things up to allow that republic to fall to the klingons and cardassians, with the mentality being that if he didn't do that then sooner or later some politician would gain enough influence to have himself elected dictator for life and essentially recreate the empire which would eventually be destroyed anyway, whereas if he allowed it to be destroyed by outside powers it would create an us against outside oppressors situation where a rebellion would form to overthrow them and establish a federation like republic afterwards. The idea being that he prepared and set up that rebellion before allowing the republic to fall and set it up so that an intelligence network was already in place using vulcans (who for some reason nobody seemed to know were telepaths) to be taken and distributed as slaves throughout the alliance where they would act as the eyes and ears of the rebellion

Kind of a stupid idea on his part given the sheer number of things that could go wrong with that kind of plan but its fairly well written and incorporates aspects of the tos era films and such rather well in places, like having valeris and that group attempting to assassinate him to keep him from destroying the empire, thinking he was leading everybody to their own destruction - which he was but they didn't realize it was deliberate

That said, in enterprise its implied that humans were already acting like terrans when the vulcans showed up (note the stuff going on in the new intro) and that whatever happened that set them on a different history happened centuries before that at least (at least one novel implies it happened at least as far back as the ancient greeks as picard notices while reading the illiad that in their version of it achilles flat out murders king priam when he shows up asking for hectors body, and similar changes to other historical fiction that implies cruelty was a common trait going back a long time)
 
Travoltron said:
TOS was all about helping people. '60s American idealism.
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Hear me, HEAR THIS!
among my people
we carry many such words as this from many lands, many worlds. Many are equally good and are as well respected.

But wherever we have gone, no words have said this thing of importance in quite this way.

Look at these three words written larger than the rest, with a special pride never written before or since; tall words proudly saying:

We The People
 
I used to do "reviews" of Doctor Who episodes on here. I miss doing them, but I also just can't make myself give enough of a shit about Doctor Who in general to do another one again at the moment. (The fact that I left off at "Love and Monsters" doesn't help.) I do still love Trek though, despite what they've done to it.

Would anybody be interested in seeing me talk about Trek Episodes like that? I have access to most of the episodes and movies before current day shit. (And I could probably get access to more recent stuff if really necessary).

I was also thinking about taking requests... Only unlike YouTube reviewers, I'd do it for free lol.
 
"That Creature Napping In Sickbay Is A Dinosaur," The Doctor

I like how in the Trek universe the ship computer's capability ranges from omnipotent to Windows 95 per the demands of the script.
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Imagine the computing power needed to simulate 65M years if evolution in a literal second.
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As a fossil-enthusiast, this scene makes me rip my hair out, because there’s so much wrong but also cool about this
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Burt Ryan said:
Say what you want about the ending, but I still think Dukat is the best Star Trek named villain. People saying Khan and the Borg Queen are delusional.

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Honestly his whole arc makes perfect sense as a tragedy. the acting was so good from marc that you could completely believe that he was trying and believed himself to be a hero up until the turning point.

You really can't judge an alien by human moral standards when he's trying to do right by his people.
Never Scored said:
The best Trek villain is when the villain was literally god.
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I considered that the devil pretending to be God.
BScCollateral said:
And remember Kirk never beamed over to Khan's ship to punch him and arm the self destruct. They completely sold the intensity and the two never met.
Seriously, it's an amazing film, despite the damage it did to the series. It's like Resident Evil 4.

They should have started Part 2 with Jonathan Frakes reading the "These are the voyages of the starship Enterprise." I will never forgive them for that.
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That's one of those amazing things you never think about because the writing and acting is so dam good. Some of the best episodes are the cheapest ones where they never leave the ship.
 
Travoltron said:
This really bothered me and I couldn't enjoy any of those Mirror DS9 episodes. They did the Force Awakens thing that undid all the good that Kirk did. TOS was all about helping people. '60s American idealism.
It was really only in TNG when "Prime Directive over People" first started.
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Thank international socialist Leonard Nimoy for that change in TNG.
 
Calandrino said:
Trek takes place in this dryly rational and materialistic universe where dinosaurs invented space travel, Amelia Earheart was kidnapped by space aliens, and the Greek gods are real. Among other COMPLETELY INSANE NONSENSE too numerous to catalog.
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More Apocrypha. Q accidentally killed the dinosaurs ergo Humanity owes it's existence to Q. Yeah. The books get even more retarded than that.
 
JustSomeDong said:
The Apocrypha from the books is that it was some kind of entity from outside our universe, brought here by the Guardian of Forever, and the Q Continuum locked him in the galactic core to save the galaxy.
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Also the galactic barrier was created to keep a bad guy called "0" out of the galaxy.

And being a creation of the Q, that barrier can give "ESP" powers to "normal" beings.

Calandrino said:
Among other COMPLETELY INSANE NONSENSE too numerous to catalog.
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JustSomeDong said:
Q accidentally killed the dinosaurs ergo Humanity owes it's existence to Q.
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Also the Q and Organians being "energy beings" of "pure thought" somehow*, and that "New Age" sounding thing about thought being "the basis of all reality" like spacetime.

* Which would need "magic" to work IRL as that's like software without a computer.
 
I got some positive stickers for me saying that I am interested in doing some (Dr)UnKillShredDur "reviews" of Trek episodes,
But does anybody have any requests?
 
WonderWino said:
at least one novel implies it happened at least as far back as the ancient greeks as picard notices while reading the illiad that in their version of it achilles flat out murders king priam
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I remember that one! It pre-dates the DS9 mirror universe episodes, so it had the Empire still in existence in the TNG era. The best part was when Picard went to tug at his uniform shirt and found out that the Empire had figured out how to stop it riding up in teh first place, meaning no tug was necessary. I think it offended him at a fundamental level.
JustSomeDong said:
The Apocrypha from the books is that it was some kind of entity from outside our universe, brought here by the Guardian of Forever, and the Q Continuum locked him in the galactic core to save the galaxy.
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Based on what they did in The Nth Degree, I always liked the idea that he was a Cytherian criminal of some sort. How many giant, disembodied-head aliens can there be in the galaxy?
 
teriyakiburns said:
Based on what they did in The Nth Degree, I always liked the idea that he was a Cytherian criminal of some sort. How many giant, disembodied-head aliens can there be in the galaxy?
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YES! That episode did take them to the center of the galaxy, how much more obvious could it have been? Why mention "center of the galaxy" while being greeted by a giant disembodied head if it wasn't supposed to be the same alien species?
 
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