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I can't decide who from the Voyager crew is more based, Tom Paris or Seven of Nine. Who would you pick?
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Well Tom did get to fuck and breed Janeway canonically so uh...pretty clear winner there
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Seven of Nine because I'd bang her.
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7 had an entire borg collective boosting her.
Tom did it all on his own trying to appease a demanding father.
Tom clearly superior.
She has some nice circuits I'll admit. I'd love to swap nanobots with her.
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Tonight the tv had on Equinox, aka the one where somehow Voyager comes across another Starfleet vessel in the Delta Quadrant. If that's not implausible enough, it's actually a new-ish ship and not one that floated there over 200 years. But the meat is that the Equinox crew kidnapped, enslaved, and murdered some weird aliens they could stick in the warp drive to make it go faster.
Imagine if we had Star Trek: Equinox instead of Voyager, where people don't kid themselves about breaking not only the Prime Directives but also the Ten Commandments and every other thing you can think of. Maybe it would make a good comic book or novel. Before Janeway ruins their fun, of course.
Imagine if we had Star Trek: Equinox instead of Voyager, where people don't kid themselves about breaking not only the Prime Directives but also the Ten Commandments and every other thing you can think of. Maybe it would make a good comic book or novel. Before Janeway ruins their fun, of course.
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I guess that's what the Battlestar Galactica Remake turned into, which I have complicated feelings for.
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Did you read Ron Moore's interview on Voyager? Hard not to think he deliberately did BSG as a kind of reply to the experience.
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He does have a point about not fixing the ship every week. Whenever Voyager looks good and not TNG-lite is when it's dark and gloomy. I think he went too far with BSG remake in making damn near every character a jerk and that's because he was unleashed from the TNG format moderating his edgy atheism.
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Brannon Braga has said that in retrospect, most of the scripts that Moore pitched during the last season of Voyager ended up being first drafts for the first season of the BSG reboot.
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Tuvok
It really makes you think when the only season worth a damn with the BSG reboot was the first season then.
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Janeway.
She stashed guns all over the ship and straight up murdered a guy because she didn't like his stupid flowery uniform. She's a keeper.
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I hate Captain Karen Janeway more and more with every passing season. Sometimes her bitchiness gets so bad it makes Chakotay look like a cool dude to hang around with in comparison, and that's a fucking problem
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The ending to DS9 was kind of weak. It wrapped up the whole Pa-wraith thing in literally two seconds and was an unsatisfying conclusion for Dukat and Winn. Just Sisko being "I suddenly know what I need to do..." And then fucking off. Rewatching TNG next. Watched most of it as it aired, but then haven't revisited it in over two decades. The deal was we had to finish DS9, first.
DS9's final season is a clusterfuck. There are still great episodes and the Dominion wars conclusion is fucking great.
But Ezri (who really is the core problem) is really shoehorned into everything to try and make up for the fact that they had to quickly kill off and then re-introduce the same character with a different actress only a season of runtime left. I don't blame them that much because it was either focus super hard on her to quickly build her foundation with the rest of the cast or leave her as an almost perpetual background character as every other character with far more foundation gets the spotlight.
I like that Ezri is far less confident and does have some pretty stark differences in terms of beliefs when compared to Jadzia. However it was too late in the game to bring in this character and, to be frank, they should have just never created the character to begin with and left Dax out the story from that point on.
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I felt the issue was more with Dukat and the sudden shift they did with his character because he was too likable. Tying him to the Pah Wraiths and the Bajoran religious shit was a colossal error. In fact Making Sisko half prophet was a colossal fucking error. That came from nowhere (Except him being able to punch Q and actually hurt him, but i doubt that was planned)
Dukat actually makes sense. He is a Narcissist who is desperate for everyone to like him, but is of course hated by almost everyone because he is a giant piece of shit (like all Narcissists).
For example, the reason he clings to his daughter so much and takes her death so hard is not because he actually gives a shit about her, but because she fawns over him as if he can do no wrong and it makes Major Kira think highly of him.
Him defecting to the Pah wraiths who offer him the adoration that he so desperately craves and starting a cult who basically worship him is pretty on form. The execution stumbled horribly at the end because the finale was rushed, but the buildup and character motives are all there.
The half prophet shit is absolutely retarded though and I will 100% agree it should have been dropped kicked out the writing room the minute it was thought up.
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This sounds good on paper but the execution is where they fucked it up. She behaves like a teenager's shitty self-insert OC. Most of her scenes are so awkward it comes across not as a character flaw but as bad writing.
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I still say that's just because Ben Sisko's pimp hand just slaps so hard it permeates through all the layers of reality into the metaphorical space of the Q realm.
Sisko has so little time and patience for Q's shit that his pimp hand becomes the equivalent of a Type V civilisation scale weapon to the Q.
I always wondered how powerful the Borg really were, particularly before VOY kinda sissified them. Q warns to not mess with the Borg, which would imply that they have at least the potential to be a threat to Q. Or it implies that Q isn't as powerful as they pretend to be, and that their shit doesn't necessarily work on the Borg. Or maybe the Borg are just Q's favourite drama source in the galaxy, and messing with them would spoil the fun.
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