Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

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Ialdabaoth said:
I think the role of lead actor in Star Trek lends itself to a larger-than-life quality.

It’s no coincidence that Shatner, Stewart, Mulgrew and Brooks had experience in Shakespeare prior to trek. It comes off as overacting at times, but Shakespeare rarely calls for subtle, naturalistic portrayals. And how can you be subtle and naturalistic when you’re arguing with guys in Klingon makeup who do nothing but yell?
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I mean, I never said I didn't enjoy his over-acting. :) I liked him, definitely. But even so, his Delivery. Is. Quite. Something.

Agreeably4263 said:
the dominion made no effort to remedy the situation with diplomacy. they let the alpha quadrant do whatever they wanted in their territory for like a year while they gathered intelligence/got goobacks into various institutions and then declared war. so yes they were encroaching but only out of ignorance and the dominon let the problem fester so they could get the upper hand in the war they were going to start regardless.
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Fair enough, I am playing Devil's Advocate a little bit. I wont go so far as to justify pre-emptive strikes. Still, Real Politik and all, you can see why the Dominion felt war was inevitable and if it's inevitable, why they'd strike first.

Ialdabaoth said:
This resulted from a massive disconnect between the writers (who wanted to make it more farcical) and the director/actor (who wanted to make it more grounded). The director (Siddig) and actor (Shimerman) were forced to reshoot it as a farce after they'd filmed it as a drama. That's why its tone is all over the place.
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That explains a lot. I'm glad at least that Quark got his happy ending in that episode.

Mussolini’s Merkin said:
Kai Winn is one of my favorite villains in anything, I don’t think I have loathed a character quite as much as her. Somehow she would always weasel her way out of her actions, it was great. Louise Fletcher did a fantastic job portraying her.
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I think they missed an opportunity by having Gul Dukat get back up again to be the final villain. It would be much more effective imo if Kai Winn did successfully just bump him off. I feel that because it would be an excellent conclusion to Dukat's overweening arrogance to see him brought low like that. A bit like Sauron being brought down by Frodo at the end (only Frodo is evil too). I think it would resonate a lot with the audience for this Banality of Evil character to ultimately take the top spot. And I think Kai Winn has earned that place through just being so perfectly authentically ambitious through out the series.

Now obviously you can't have Sisko in a fist fight with Kai Winn. You'd have to come up with something different. But I'm okay with that because I feel Sisko going full Golum on Dukat at the end was a bit of a sudden cop-out anyway. Do some light show battle at the end, have Sisko read from the book to shut it down or summon the prophets or anything else, maybe the caves collapse on them both. All of this would be better. But the main thing is that I think Gul Dukat's end should be a look of surprise that he is brought down by someone he dismissed so arrogantly. And Kai Winn shouldn't get her "what have I done" realisation. She should be there up until the end clawing for power like the Nazi girl with the grail at the end of Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade. Just an ordinary person who has set her quest for power above compassion and wisdom.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
He got pretty tubby by the middle of TNG.
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the compressor for the diplomatic hammer below needs to be fueled properly.

UnKillShredDur said:
I mean, they just redesigned the uniforms to that they weren't all tight spandex and looked better on fat people, but I see your point.
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he also had back issues iirc, which makes sport probably a bit of an issue too.
 
ZMOT said:
the compressor for the diplomatic hammer below needs to be fueled properly.


he also had back issues iirc, which makes sport probably a bit of an issue too.
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That's probably also why he sits on a chair in that weird way. lol.
 
Overly Serious said:
Kai Winn is probably the most dislikeable villain in the entire show. Mainly because we've all met her in real life one way or another.
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My thoughts exactly, I've met quite a few people who behave just like her: pretends to be all nice, smiles in your face but is always ready to stab you in the back if it benefits them.
 
Overly Serious said:
The show could alternatively be titled "Jake Sisko's Age Inappropriate Relationships". Seriously, he's forever chasing dabbo girls twice his age, Immortal alien space muse succubi, Major Kira. The list goes on.
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The kid lost his mum to the Borg. What he does is trying to get her back, somehow. It's coping and well done, too.
 
Flexo said:
Oh! You totally forgot to tell us what you thought about the whole Quark's daughter plotline!
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The which and the whatnow? I missed a handful of episodes here and there, mainly around S3&4, due to them not playing on the service I was using. I don't remember anything about Quark having a daughter. I just searched online and found nothing. Is this a funny way of alluding to something else?

Reinhardo-sama said:
The kid lost his mum to the Borg. What he does is trying to get her back, somehow. It's coping and well done, too.
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Well that's an unsettling psychological explanation that hadn't occurred to me.
 
Mussolini’s Merkin said:
Kai Winn is one of my favorite villains in anything, I don’t think I have loathed a character quite as much as her. Somehow she would always weasel her way out of her actions, it was great. Louise Fletcher did a fantastic job portraying her.
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The thing that always made me chuckle is that Louise Fletcher is your prototypical grandma outside of her character.

She would bring cookies and tea to the set for the other actors and was well like by everyone she worked with then she would turn into this raging cunt as soon as the shooting started.

The acting world is very strange to an outsider like me. How do you go from Grandma to Royal Bitch and back at the flip of a hat without pause?
 
Flexo said:
Oh! You totally forgot to tell us what you thought about the whole Quark's daughter plotline!
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So many people keep saying they skipped it, I wonder if it's not available on streaming. Maybe a rights issue or something idk
 
Cnut said:
So many people keep saying they skipped it, I wonder if it's not available on streaming. Maybe a rights issue or something idk
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Come on, you don't remember the B-plot of the episode where Dukat kept hailing Sisko and reading off a list of ancient Earth racial slurs? That's why you can't watch the episode anywhere.
 
Mr. Racewar1488 said:
Come on, you don't remember the B-plot of the episode where Dukat kept hailing Sisko and reading off a list of ancient Earth racial slurs? That's why you can't watch the episode anywhere.
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"ah! Benjamin! Finally got through, been _such_ a hassle getting a connection with your Federation comm channels, now about these crickets of your Earth's and their relation to your planet's orbiting body!"
 
Agreeably4263 said:
the dominion made no effort to remedy the situation with diplomacy.
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Yeah, and if their intelligence was as good as it should be, they'd have seen that Federation is perfectly willing to fuck over its colonists and forcibly relocate them to appease foreign powers, even weaker ones.

Also on first contact they straight up admitted that they were racial supremacists and considered solids to basically be dangerous insects. It was always going to come to war.

Except that in the lonely old Jake future from that ep where Sisko disappears they never attack. Obviously this is because they didn't exactly know where the show was going when they made that episode and wouldn't want to spoil it either way, but canonically speaking this means that it is somehow Sisko's fault.
 
Gan Ying said:
Yeah, and if their intelligence was as good as it should be, they'd have seen that Federation is perfectly willing to fuck over its colonists and forcibly relocate them to appease foreign powers, even weaker ones.

Also on first contact they straight up admitted that they were racial supremacists and considered solids to basically be dangerous insects. It was always going to come to war.

Except that in the lonely old Jake future from that ep where Sisko disappears they never attack. Obviously this is because they didn't exactly know where the show was going when they made that episode and wouldn't want to spoil it either way, but canonically speaking this means that it is somehow Sisko's fault.
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Sure, retcon and all, but probably when Sisko wanted that crashed Dominion ship and him stalling out negotiations got a Founder killed.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Sure, retcon and all, but probably when Sisko wanted that crashed Dominion ship and him stalling out negotiations got a Founder killed.
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Could be. Although that's already after Odo killed a founder, and after Sisko and friends exposed the Klingon conspiracy and the Martok fake, who also got iced.

Really there's a good buildup of agitating events on both sides that really draws out the 'cold war' part of the story. I don't think any other scifi show has managed to portray a war from the ground up like that. Babylon 5 disappointed me in that aspect.
 
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