Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

[Verpa Teutonica Ingens]

The occupation didn't kill enough Bajorans it wasn't six fifteen million more like 270k 500k and mostly due to disease.

You don't even need to downplay the number - it downplays itself. 15 million deaths over 50 years across an entire planet with a population comparable to 21st-century Earth? That's basically nothing!

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

You don't even need to downplay the number - it downplays itself. 15 million deaths over 50 years across an entire planet with a population comparable to 21st-century Earth? That's basically nothing!

Ah, Benjamin! I was doing some research (Damar, bring up the chart) and it turned out that your own Earth killed over four hundred million political dissidents in a single one of your "countries" in a similar span of time!

As much as I hate to admit it Benjamin, you Earthers really CAN outdo the cardassians when you put your minds to it!

 

[NoBueno]

I've been sitting around asking Grok about my schizo conspiracy theories

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I've been sitting around asking Grok about my schizo conspiracy theories
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there's probably something meta in using a shit computer simulated-thought thing to have a conversation about the shit computer that killed lots of stuff for simulating thought

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

I've been sitting around asking Grok about my schizo conspiracy theories
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>feed the AI schizo ramblings
>it starts to schizo ramble even harder
Pottery

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

>feed the AI schizo ramblings
>it starts to schizo ramble even harder
Pottery

my current personal annoyance at AI is when I was looking for cameos of Alfred E Neuman in DC comics, and google's AI told me about "The Greenest Lantern" a non-existent story about how he gets a GL ring
I'm not so much annoyed that it apparently hallucinated it, what really bugs me is that's actually a pretty clever title for the premise and without even leaning on any of MAD's crutch-words

 

[NoBueno]

my current personal annoyance at AI is when I was looking for cameos of Alfred E Neuman in DC comics, and google's AI told me about "The Greenest Lantern" a non-existent story about how he gets a GL ring
I'm not so much annoyed that it apparently hallucinated it, what really bugs me is that's actually a pretty clever title for the premise and without even leaning on any of MAD's crutch-words

AI is already doing the "My Dad works at Nintendo"
Or maybe it's doing a Mandella effect and picking up on the wrong timelines.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

AI is already doing the "My Dad works at Nintendo"
Or maybe it's doing a Mandella effect and picking up on the wrong timelines.

there's probably a hook for a movie in there
somebody's using NONTRADEMARKed AI tool, finds out it's actually not _wrong_ it's just already transcended all known universes and is having trouble spitting the right answers to the right realities

 

[khaine]

The Bajorans were able to travel through space using solar-powered ships made with wood before warp travel was invented. Sisko was able to take one to travel from Deep Space Nine to Cardassian space in his spare time.

In Star Trek IV, one of the ships disabled by the probe says their chief engineer is attempting to make a solar sail, so it's not like it was only known by the Bajorans.

Edit: I couldn't find a clip of it, but I found the movie transcript:

STARFLEET AIDE: Thank you, sir.
FEDERATION PRESIDENT: Status report, Admiral!
CARTWRIGHT: Mister President, the Probe is headed directly for us, The signal is damaging everything in its path. The Klingons have lost two vessels. Two starships and three smaller vessels have been neutralised.
FEDERATION PRESIDENT: Neutralised? How?
CARTWRIGHT: We don't know. Get me the Yorktown.
YORKTOWN CAPTAIN: (on viewscreen) Emergency channel zero one three zero. Code red. It has been three hours since our contact with the alien Probe. All attempts at regaining power have failed.
CARTWRIGHT: It's using forms of energy we do not understand.
FEDERATION PRESIDENT: Can you protect us?
CARTWRIGHT: We are launching everything we have.
YORKTOWN CAPTAIN: (on viewscreen) Our systems engineers are trying to deploy a makeshift solar-sail. We have high hopes that this will, if successful, generate power to keep us alive.

 

[E. Knee as Weapon - Cont.]

I've been watching through Enterprise for the first time. It wasn't as bad as I had been led to believe, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it now as I get close to the Season 3 finale. I do find it odd that they took a very Voyager-y premise and ran with it for Season 3, so soon after Voyager ended.

I thought Enterprise might give some insight into how we ended up with godawful slop like ST but it feels more like 90s-era Trek than NuTrek.

 

[AllieKat]

In Star Trek IV, one of the ships disabled by the probe says their chief engineer is attempting to make a solar sail, so its not like it was only known by the Bajorans.

That was the Jeet captain right? You just know that ship stank. Dude probably shit in the turbo lift

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

That was the Jeet captain right? You just know that ship stank. Dude probably shit in the turbo lift

I still have hopes that by 2286 niggers and jeets have been redeemed.

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

I've been watching through Enterprise for the first time. It wasn't as bad as I had been led to believe, and I'm thoroughly enjoying it now as I get close to the Season 3 finale. I do find it odd that they took a very Voyager-y premise and ran with it for Season 3, so soon after Voyager ended.

I thought Enterprise might give some insight into how we ended up with godawful slop like ST but it feels more like 90s-era Trek than NuTrek.

yeah I find it's not bad
it's got some nice enough mids, some pretty good high points, and a lot of little fun bits like Big Show as an Orion slaver hoisting Tpal around like she weighs less than a hundred pounds and he's a giant pro wrestler is great

 

[Ultraman Orb Dark]

I thought Enterprise might give some insight into how we ended up with godawful slop like ST but it feels more like 90s-era Trek than NuNuTrek.

I mean, that show also had thinly-veiled, very dated political references to then-current American issues. While Discovery's plot had a ton of MAGA allegories with the Klingons and Terrans, most of Enterprise's run took a lot of influence from a post-9/11, Bush Administration America. Discovery gave us "Make the Empire Glorious Again" after Enterprise gave us the Suliban.

That's not even getting into all the time travel shenanigans (a leftover from Voyager) that drove the plot, to the point where Archer and Pike had similarly crucial roles in history that depended on them not taking part in a battle. Daniels told Archer not to sacrifice himself during the balls with the Xindi while Future Pike told Present Pike to not get involved with the Romulans.

That's not to say Enterprise lacked strong moments. It's just that you can see how Discovery had some influence from Enterprise, for better and for worse. I personally think both are pretty good shows.

Also, fun fact: In an early episode of Discovery, Archer is listed among some of Starfleet's finest.

Because I guess Archer was the only notable Captain before the 23rd Century.

 

[khaine]

That was the Jeet captain right?

Yes

 

[E. Knee as Weapon - Cont.]

I mean, that show also had thinly-veiled, very dated political references to then-current American issues. While Discovery's plot had a ton of MAGA allegories with the Klingons and Terrans, most of Enterprise's run took a lot of influence from a post-9/11, Bush Administration America. Discovery gave us "Make the Empire Glorious Again" after Enterprise gave us the Suliban.

Maybe it would have rankled more if I was watching it in 2003.

One of the things I dislike most about NuTrek is how unprofessional the bridge crew seems relative to their depictions in series like TNG. Too much of an office sitcom sensibility sometimes, like they're working a floating skyscraper and aren't starship officers. Enterprise still does a good job of selling that these people are trained, professional, quasi-naval officers, whatever their personal quirks.

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

Because I guess Archer was the only notable Captain before the 23rd Century.

Nothing ever happened between 2161-2245 and 2293-2364. Literally nothing.

 

[William Murderface]

Nothing ever happened between 2161-2245 and 2293-2364. Literally nothing.

Not just that nothing happened, but in the off chance something did happen none of the captains involved rated being mentioned among the greats. If it wasn't onscreen, it didn't matter.

 

[Drag-on Knight 91873]

2293-2364

This was always an era I wanted to see more of. It's the era where the Excelsior and eventually the Ambassador were the Ships of the Line while the Constellation and Oberths were doing all the dirty work. And despite it being an era of relative peace, it's also the era where the Federation fought the Tzenkethi, the Cardassians, the Shelliak Corporate, and the Talarians (they mourn with autistic screeching).

 

[Curzon Dax-sama]

This was always an era I wanted to see more of. It's the era where the Excelsior and eventually the Ambassador were the Ships of the Line while the Constellation and Oberths were doing all the dirty work. And despite it being an era of relative peace, it's also the era where the Federation fought the Tzenkethi, the Cardassians, the Shelliak Corporate, and the Talarians (they mourn with autistic screeching).

You'd also have most of the TOS-characters running around, doing who knows what (at least between 2293-2320ish). Would have been cool if they did a series with Sulu or Chekov serving as instructors at the Academy and show the youngsters how things are done. Then you have tech developments, like the slow introduction of replicators or the holodeck. Diplomatic shenanigans (Curzon fucking half the galaxy? Sign me up). Gayops done by the Romulans. The Federation slowly becoming complacent. Yeah, there's a lot of stuff that could be done on the small screen.