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I imagine that there must be some kind of currency, as there must be some kind of demand for luxuries that can't be replicated. Land would have value, real food vs replicated. No one is going to want to be a plumber for love of the game. You fix space toilets you want to be paid. You pour space concrete you wanna be paid. There needs to be something that motivates people to go above and be beyond.

Maybe we haven't seen the underclass of the Federation. The people living on UBI scratching out a meagre existence eating protein slop. Or maybe the commie writers didn't think things through...
That was pretty much Chuck's entire joke in his review of the episode "In the Cards."
(wow, all this capitalism and people are happier...)

I mean let's all be honest. What's the currency in TNG?

Holodeck time.

The Enterprise D has 7 - S.E.V.E.N. - holodecks on it total.

The crew alone were 1,014. (probably equal or double that for civilians) That's 1 holodeck per 145 crew (144.8 but rounding up since I'm not allowed to turn people into fractions any more). Since there's only 1440 minutes in a day, that means each crewmember would get really close to 10 minutes of holodeck time in a day.

10 minutes to live out any fantasy you could want.

Yeah you better believe people were trading and bartering that shit. "I'll let you have my 10 min today if I get your 10 min tomorrow." "I'll do this job for you for 5 minutes of your holodeck time (and a copy of your image since you are pretty hot...)"

All you meatbags know I'm 100% right.
 
The crew alone were 1,014. (probably equal or double that for civilians) That's 1 holodeck per 145 crew (144.8 but rounding up since I'm not allowed to turn people into fractions any more). Since there's only 1440 minutes in a day, that means each crewmember would get really close to 10 minutes of holodeck time in a day.
I would assume that Officers were given their own to use, away from the stickiness that would no doubt result from enlisted holodeck use. Then two set aside for (the never seen)Enlisted use, that would no doubt always has an unpleasant smell, speaking to unknowable horrors that happen within. Maybe one for senior enlisted, so really it would be three for general use. So I imagine holodeck usage would be at a premium.

I could see trading holodeck time being a thing, but some asshole Captain would restrict the process after an officer gave away an hour in the Officer's suite to some Enlisted and they left the place an absolute mess. With unspeakable horrors coating every surface.

You all know it would happen.
 
I thought all the Good Guy non-Fed races like the Bajorans still had money but the Borg, Dominion, Species-Whatever etc presumably didn't.
The Bajorans do use money which you can sort of piece together when Leeta goes on strike. But Bajor never actually joins the Federation except in the weird half-canon book stuff so it’s a non-issue.

The Borg wouldn’t use money because, as you know, they’re not into haggling.
 
I would assume that Officers were given their own to use, away from the stickiness that would no doubt result from enlisted holodeck use. Then two set aside for (the never seen)Enlisted use, that would no doubt always has an unpleasant smell, speaking to unknowable horrors that happen within. Maybe one for senior enlisted, so really it would be three for general use. So I imagine holodeck usage would be at a premium.

I could see trading holodeck time being a thing, but some asshole Captain would restrict the process after an officer gave away an hour in the Officer's suite to some Enlisted and they left the place an absolute mess. With unspeakable horrors coating every surface.

You all know it would happen.
  1. In an egalitarian society like the modern Federation, Holodecks wouldn't be segregated between officer/enlisted/civilian. The only reason there's segregated mess halls is muh naval tradition.
    1. Having said that, it's almost a certainty that one of the Holodecks would be the unofficially designated Whack Shack, for all your... "Risian (or Orion Slave girl) needs". (It would likely be the one nearest Engineering, if Geordi's love life is any indication.)
  2. I'd be willing to bet that by the mid-24th Century using Holodecks would be almost passe, like how television is now. "Oh, you're doing a Dixon Hill novel again? Fuckin' Boomer."
 
Is this off-topic, but I've had this question for awhile and it's never been answered. In fact, I actually remember asking the "official" Star Trek forum this once and was just attacked by the autists who will defend the brand against any and all questions/criticisms. They are massive STD fans (probably the ONLY fans) after all.

How does money work in Star Trek? Kirk says in IV they don't use it and TNG rolls further with it than "We've moved past such petty notions", yet I know I've heard both McCoy and Scotty in material of the time saying things like "This cost me a bundle" or "I saved a bunch", etc, or something relating to money like that.

Is it just Earth and the Federation that doesn't use it? I love world building so this has been bothering me. I'm not as well-versed as I should be.
Youre getting into headcanon territory but I believe that while its a post scarcity society people get a share of the "wealth" of the planet like a UBI type deal and with that they can purchase such luxuries as real food, Picard wine, etc. Also gold pressed latinum is used as the universal trade medium as popularized by the ferengi because its not replicatable.
 
  1. In an egalitarian society like the modern Federation, Holodecks wouldn't be segregated between officer/enlisted/civilian. The only reason there's segregated mess halls is muh naval tradition.
    1. Having said that, it's almost a certainty that one of the Holodecks would be the unofficially designated Whack Shack, for all your... "Risian (or Orion Slave girl) needs". (It would likely be the one nearest Engineering, if Geordi's love life is any indication.)
  2. I'd be willing to bet that by the mid-24th Century using Holodecks would be almost passe, like how television is now. "Oh, you're doing a Dixon Hill novel again? Fuckin' Boomer."
It is "egalitarian" until some Captain walks into the mess left behind from Spaceman First Class Spiff's hour long session with holographic Duras Sisters blowing his back out with the safety protocols disengaged. Also the non-stop bitching from Enlisted about how the fucking civvies are hogging the Holodecks, and they can't get anytime with them would mean they would need to have some set aside for Federation personnel only. Or the bitching form the civvies because they keep walking into whatever depravity the Enlisted have cooked up.

Could you imagine the shit fit Keiko O'Brien would throw walking into a bunch of Senior Spacemen dressed like Roman Emperors making holographic Orion Slave Girls fight to the death? Better to segregate that shit, just to avoid the headache. Because true egalitarianism you doing your thing over there and not bothering me with me it.
 
There’s this quote floating around, can’t verify it, where Patrick Stewart says he used to get bummed out every time “Livingston the fish” died and they replaced it with another Livingston. On some level, I get it, you ever go into a dive bar and they’ve got that cloudy, half-dead aquarium full of resentful guppies? Bleak.
I know his current behavior doesn't make him particularly sympathetic at the moment, but as a Picard was best Captain dead-ender (I do not consider the recent Picard series canon and I can do that because fuck you that's why), I feel compelled to defend him, at least unless more facts come out about this.

Suppose the fish actually were dying from stress from constantly being on a TV set. Lionfish, according to the usual unreliable sources like Wikipedia, generally live 10 to 18 years. Why would he get bummed out "every time" the fish died unless this was a recurring event?

It shouldn't have been. They generally have a good lifespan in captivity. TNG lasted like seven years or so. There shouldn't have been multiple deaths of lionfish if they were actually taken care of.

It sounds to me like he was objecting to the conditions the fish lived in, not merely that they were using a fish in the show.

Random anecdote, when I was a kid, my family often ate at a Japanese restaurant run by a family in our neighborhood. They had a huge aquarium in it that was basically an indoor koi pond. After I grew up, and came back years later, every single koi I remembered was still there.

What were they doing to these lionfish that Stewart had to mourn multiple losses?

Sounds like he was correct. They were not taking proper care of those fish.
There are old interviews, circa season 1 or 2, of him being like "I feel the women are.... tokens... I'm so disappointed."
He was right about that, too. I mean with exceptions, like Lwaxana Troi and blow me, I think Whoopie did a top-notch job as Guinan.
 
He was right about that, too. I mean with exceptions, like Lwaxana Troi and blow me, I think Whoopie did a top-notch job as Guinan.
A shame what happened to Whoopi. Now she’s like every other boomer with too much money who's mad at clouds.

It's wild because she used to have aura. There’s that Dixon Hill episode "Clues" where they cut to her meaty mocha legs in stockings, and you’re like, “Ok, Guinan got that sauce.”
 
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A shame what happened to Whoopi. Now she’s like every other boomer with too much money who's mad at clouds.

It's wild because she used to have aura. There’s that episode "The Big Goodbye" where they cut to her meaty mocha legs in stockings, and you’re like, “Ok, Guinan got that sauce.”


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That's one of the things I find facinating about the Ferengi. In some ways, their society is less advanced than humanity, but in other ways, they're more advanced.
They're "less advanced" according to the ultra liberal writers of the first seasons or TNG. They spent enough episodes shitting in capitalism, yet the Ferengi still managed to get to space while being ultra capitalists and keeping their females oppressed.
 
They're "less advanced" according to the ultra liberal writers of the first seasons or TNG. They spent enough episodes shitting in capitalism, yet the Ferengi still managed to get to space while being ultra capitalists and keeping their females oppressed.
The only reason the Ferengi are on the Federation’s radar at all is because they grifted warp drive off some other poor civilization.

In TNG, Riker is like, “oh, murder? Crimes of passion? The Ferengi could never.” Don't they have a rule of acquisition for selling weapons?

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I'm going to be finishing voyager either tonight or tomorrow, and I'm sorry to say, I still don't like it more than DS9. (I DO still like it though.) its a fun show and I'm glad for the rewatch.

Im debating what to watch next. Nemesis immediately after Voyager, obviously, After that, I'm not sure if it makes more sense to watch Enterprise or Lower Decks (LD and Picard Season 3 are the only nu-Trek shows I'm willing to consider even remotely canon.)

Aside from like one T'pol cameo, and Riker referencing the Enterprise theme song/finale, I don't think Enterprise gets mentioned much in Lower Decks much, and it's relatively short so I'm leaning towards LD first..
 
I'm going to be finishing voyager either tonight or tomorrow, and I'm sorry to say, I still don't like it more than DS9. (I DO still like it though.)
Don't worry, we didn't like it that much when it was airing.

Aside from like one T'pol cameo, and Riker referencing the Enterprise theme song/finale, I don't think Enterprise gets mentioned much in Lower Decks much, and it's relatively short so I'm leaning towards LD first
I hated Enterprise when it was airing and it was one of the first shows I hate watched but after rewatching it during Covid it's actually really good. There are some shit episodes but overall it's better than Voyager. When you do watch it see if you can guess what season was written post-9/11 from the vibe shift of the show.
 
Don't worry, we didn't like it that much when it was airing.


I hated Enterprise when it was airing and it was one of the first shows I hate watched but after rewatching it during Covid it's actually really good. There are some shit episodes but overall it's better than Voyager. When you do watch it see if you can guess what season was written post-9/11 from the vibe shift of the show.
To be clear, I'm definitely watching both LD and Enterprise (and eventually Picard season 3), it's just a matter of which first.
 
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