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Bâtard Consanguine said:
Taking bets on how much they'll subvert Trek norms. That Klingon will reject the 'toxic masculinity' of Klingon culture in favor of the cosmopolitanism of the Federation. There will be a Ferengi cadet who rejects capitalism. There will be a Vulcan cadet who dabbles in stand-up comedy. We'll probably see background cadets who are Cardassian, Romulan, Breen, and other 'villain' species all breaking the mold by joining Starfleet.
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There is this thing, she's a half Klingon half Jem Hadar instructor.
 
Bâtard Consanguine said:
Taking bets on how much they'll subvert Trek norms. That Klingon will reject the 'toxic masculinity' of Klingon culture in favor of the cosmopolitanism of the Federation. There will be a Ferengi cadet who rejects capitalism. There will be a Vulcan cadet who dabbles in stand-up comedy. We'll probably see background cadets who are Cardassian, Romulan, Breen, and other 'villain' species all breaking the mold by joining Starfleet.
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Most of these points have already been at least somewhat addressed in previous series. The difference is Starfleet Academy will be awful with their takes.
 
Bâtard Consanguine said:
I'm less offended by how it's biologically impossible for a Jem'Hadar to even breed as I am for how fat she is. A warrior race crossbreed with genetic super soldiers shouldn't produce something that looks like that.
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To be fair, I don't think it's ever explicitly said that Jem Hadar *can't* sexually reproduce, just that there are no females... I'm not entirely sure that thing even qualifies as one.
 
UnKillFill said:
To be fair, I don't think it's ever explicitly said that Jem Hadar *can't* sexually reproduce, just that there are no females... I'm not entirely sure that thing even qualifies as one.
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I am reminded of when Quark was lamenting the Dominion's impending takeover of DS9, not because of the inherent oppression, but because they won't patronize his bar. "The Founders don't drink, don't eat, and don't have sex. The Jem'Hadar don't drink, don't eat, and don't have sex..." then Jadzia reassures him "well maybe the Vorta are all alcoholic, gluttonous, nymphomaniacs".

Which you're right, doesn't mean the Jem'Hadar CAN'T have sex... it's just retarded to establish them as literal golems only to renege on it and make them actual people.
 
Bâtard Consanguine said:
I am reminded of when Quark was lamenting the Dominion's impending takeover of DS9, not because of the inherent oppression, but because they won't patronize his bar. "The Founders don't drink, don't eat, and don't have sex. The Jem'Hadar don't drink, don't eat, and don't have sex..." then Jadzia reassures him "well maybe the Vorta are all alcoholic, gluttonous, nymphomaniacs".

Which you're right, doesn't mean the Jem'Hadar CAN'T have sex... it's just retarded to establish them as literal golems only to renege on it and make them actual people.
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I'd imagine when you're zonked out of your mind on ketracel white all the time your sex drive is the first thing to go.
 
Bâtard Consanguine said:
Taking bets on how much they'll subvert Trek norms. That Klingon will reject the 'toxic masculinity' of Klingon culture in favor of the cosmopolitanism of the Federation. There will be a Ferengi cadet who rejects capitalism. There will be a Vulcan cadet who dabbles in stand-up comedy. We'll probably see background cadets who are Cardassian, Romulan, Breen, and other 'villain' species all breaking the mold by joining Starfleet.
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Buck breaking Klingons is mandatory in Kurtzman Trek. They need to get rid of ther toxic masculinity in order to be able to wear the extra-slim cut uniforms.
Also apparently they are deepening the guy's voice in post after people made fun of the character in the first trailer.
 
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Brett Somers FanClub 2.0 said:
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There is this thing, she's a half Klingon half Jem Hadar instructor.
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Bâtard Consanguine said:
I'm less offended by how it's biologically impossible for a Jem'Hadar to even breed as I am for how fat she is. A warrior race crossbreed with genetic super soldiers shouldn't produce something that looks like that.
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Bâtard Consanguine said:
Which you're right, doesn't mean the Jem'Hadar CAN'T have sex... it's just retarded to establish them as literal golems only to renege on it and make them actual people.
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I mentioned this a few months ago when the character was first revealed, but you could argue that Jem'Hadar biology has changed in the centuries since the end of the Dominion War so they don't have shorter lifespans or a dependence on ketracel-white. Hell, they may possibly even be able to reproduce naturally.

What I don't get is what this means for the Jem'Hadar politically. Did the teacher's Jem'Hadar parent defect to the Federation? Did the Jem'Hadar join the Federation? If so, was it pre- or post-Burn? Is the Dominion still around, or did it collapse after the Burn?

As a matter of fact, are the Klingons part of the Federation now? I think Daniels mentioned then joining in the future, but I'm not sure if that's the case in this show.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
I mentioned this a few months ago when the character was first revealed, but you could argue that Jem'Hadar biology has changed in the centuries since the end of the Dominion War so they don't have shorter lifespans or a dependence on ketracel-white. Hell, they may possibly even be able to reproduce naturally.

What I don't get is what this means for the Jem'Hadar politically. Did the teacher's Jem'Hadar parent defect to the Federation? Did the Jem'Hadar join the Federation? If so, was it pre- or post-Burn? Is the Dominion still around, or did it collapse after the Burn?

As a matter of fact, are the Klingons part of the Federation now? I think Daniels mentioned then joining in the future, but I'm not sure if that's the case in this show.
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Listen, I wanna know, but if finding out requires watching this slop, I'm gonna pass.
 
Ultraman Orb Dark said:
What I don't get is what this means for the Jem'Hadar politically. Did the teacher's Jem'Hadar parent defect to the Federation? Did the Jem'Hadar join the Federation? If so, was it pre- or post-Burn? Is the Dominion still around, or did it collapse after the Burn?

As a matter of fact, are the Klingons part of the Federation now? I think Daniels mentioned then joining in the future, but I'm not sure if that's the case in this show.
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I suspect the writing team's thoughts on these is "TNG had the kinglon guy, and they were bad guys before"
 
XYZpdq Jr. said:
I suspect the writing team's thoughts on these is "TNG had the kinglon guy, and they were bad guys before"
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It is kind of a tradition to introduce into the main cast someone from an antagonistic race/faction. TNG had a Kingon, DN9 had a Ferengi and a Cardassian, Voyager had Maquis, then a Borg when they needed something to boost ratings. But these were presented as exceptions to the rule or necessity to dire circumstances, not subversions. Worf joined Starfleet because he was having an identity crisis being the only Klingon he ever knew after being adopted by humans, Nog joined Starfleet because he was ashamed of his father wasting his potential and didn't want to end up the same, The Maquis rejoined Starfleet because they were all stranded in uncharted territory and needed to cooperate for survival. What all these characters have in common is "I have failed to live up to the standards of my people, Starfleet is a means to find purpose to make up for it". They weren't rebelling against what they are, they're compensating. New Trek has these odd ducks joining Starfleet as open rejection of what they are. The Orion girl from Lower Decks for example hates her people's ways and joined Starfleet to spite them.
 
Bâtard Consanguine said:
We'll probably see background cadets who are Cardassian, Romulan, Breen, and other 'villain' species all breaking the mold by joining Starfleet.
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I was gonna make a joke about a Breen wearing a tight uniform over their bulky spacesuit but then I remembered that Nu-Trek straight up fucking showed what the Breen look like.

So it'd just be a generic looking alien.

Ultraman Orb Dark said:
I mentioned this a few months ago when the character was first revealed, but you could argue that Jem'Hadar biology has changed in the centuries since the end of the Dominion War so they don't have shorter lifespans or a dependence on ketracel-white. Hell, they may possibly even be able to reproduce naturally.
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It's funnier if they're all still autistic drug addicts that die at the age of 10.

As for the reproducing thing, I'm not sure the Jem'Hadar being able to mate makes any sense. Why would the founders give a warrior race that they grow in tubes genitals if they can't even use said genitals because there are no females and every Jem'hadar is grown for a specific purpose? What purpose would sexual arousal of any kind serve, let alone the equipment to follow through with it?

At best it would be a nonfunctional vestigial dong, but the more likely outcome is that they're just smooth like Ken down there. They don't even need buttholes or urethraes either because 100% of their nutrients come from Ketracel and it's completely absorbed by their bodies. They have no waste.
 
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