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Voyager really fucked up handling entering Borg space. Completely declawed them as a serious threat for everything afterward except the Enterprise episode. Introducing species 8472 so blatantly was a mistake
In "Blood Fever" they find a Borg skeleton and it's supposed to be "ohhhhh fuck". And instead it’s like finding a Party City outfit in a rubber plant.

VOY had this superpower to take a guaranteed heater and make it feel like a school assembly. I think it was franchise fatigue.

No, I take that back. It's because they always need to reset everything back to status quo in 42 minutes. So the writing felt half-assed and half-embarrassed at the same time.

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Do you think if Roddenberry was still alive and aware today that he would be on the current bandwagon with Star Trek or would he be the disgusted and disappointed creator like Lucas is with Star Wars now?
He would be disgusted at the lack of hot chicks on the show. Gene believed in that 60s-70s hippie sort of liberalism. He was liberal because he wanted to bang young actresses and do drugs with impunity. He would not enjoy the current state of things at all.
 
Next Up: Marketing wanted you to think it was the Borg for a second, then shot their own misdirection right out from under themselves for no reason. (Marketing Retards: you are allowed to fake the audience out in a teaser!)
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Next week, the, uh... Cybermales.
Either that, or they're a new species that attacks the Athena because GET IT?
I shouldn't have been surprised Sisko ended up being that famous revolutionary - I knew it'd end up being one of the crew, but for some reason I'd assumed it'd be Bashir. I guess because I figured Ben would be a bit too on-the-nose.
Oh, I get it. You think all 21st Century revolutionaries look the same, you racist.
VOY had this super power to take a guaranteed heater and make it feel like a school assembly. I think it was franchise fatigue. No, I take that back. It's because they always need to reset everything back to status quo in 42 minutes. So the writing felt half-assed and half-embarrassed the same time.
Was the uptick in Borg episodes sparked by the positive reception First Contact got in 1996?
He would be disgusted at the lack of hot chicks on the show. Gene believed in that 60s-70s hippie sort of liberalism.
He'd look at the crew of the Athena and scream at them for wearing pants as if he was Shadiversity.
Let's not forget the poster boy for progressive shit in fiction, Wil Wheaton.
 
She's not a sperg, as far as I've seen myself. I mean, she's not obligated to like him.

Let's not forget the poster boy for progressive shit in fiction, Wil Wheaton.
I should have clarified. I specifically remember her saying something along the lines that anybody who supports Trump isn't a real Trek fan. As if she were even remotely qualified to make such a decision. Maybe not as much compared to Wheaton, but I do think she's a sperg too.
 
I should have clarified. I specifically remember her saying something along the lines that anybody who supports Trump isn't a real Trek fan. As if she were even remotely qualified to make such a decision. Maybe not as much compared to Wheaton, but I do think she's a sperg too.
I remember she said, "You're dead to me," to Kirstie Alley when Kirstie supported Trump.
Then Kirstie actually died not so long after that. Marina Sirtis is a total piece of shit just like Wheaton and Stewart.
 
Whose idea was it to make Kennedy the successor? Also he literally wrote the Clone Wars as a War on Terror allegory. Palpatine controls both sides in a war even through its geographically impossible.
Geographically and communication wise it is possible, with Star Wars hyperdrive and FTL communication tech. It is having the amount of time to tard wrangled the Republic Senate, other politicians while also wrangling the Republic and Separatists militaries within a span of three years. If anything the Clone War(s) should've gone longer on the virtue of Palps having to run the Republic and can't get away long enough to do his sith calls.
 
I know Voyager has been a bit of a punching bag, but did anyone else see this announcement today?
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Where on earth did this come from? What, why, and how? I have so many questions, but...honestly, even if it -as a game- it ends up being not that great, it looks like it'd be awesome as just a 3D free-roam ship sim of the Voyager. Most of the ship appears fully modeled inside and out:
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Yes I'm aware of Elite Force and still love it to pieces, but that game is over 25 years old and was built on the Quake III engine. I'm still absolutely dumbfounded that something like this is being made, especially considering it's Voyager of all things and not an Enterprise.
 
I know Voyager has been a bit of a punching bag, but did anyone else see this announcement today?
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Where on earth did this come from? What, why, and how? I have so many questions, but...honestly, even if it -as a game- it ends up being not that great, it looks like it'd be awesome as just a 3D free-roam ship sim of the Voyager. Most of the ship appears fully modeled inside and out:
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Yes I'm aware of Elite Force and still love it to pieces, but that game is over 25 years old and was built on the Quake III engine. I'm still absolutely dumbfounded that something like this is being made, especially considering it's Voyager of all things and not an Enterprise.
We talked about it earlier in the thread. I suppose the Voyager setting works for a roguelike. I do hope they let me kill Tuvix over and over again.
 
Takei is pretty horrid, don't know about the rest.

Patrick Stewart's dad beat his mom I think (war vet trauma or something?) so he's spoken out in favor of some feminism stuff in the past, but I don't think he's super political in general, think he mostly care about himself and maybe acting. Still a lot of fans had to realize that Stewart very much isn't Picard after the Picard show.

Lots of others will have expressed progressive politics at some point, it's an la crowd from the 80s-90s but I don't know how many argue with people online about it or care about it above lip service.

Not sure who worked on Star Trek genuinely cared about it, save Roddenberry who certainly loved it.
I'm kinda curious if Koenig is a dick, I don't seem to hear too much about him compared to Shatner or Takei.
 
A walking sim in anything Star Trek would be shit-boring anyway
Absolutely not. The fan project "Stage 9" that tried to re-create the TNG sets was a massive success before Paramount slapped the creators with a DMCA (iirc), and today there's the Roddenberry Archive site that lets you explore almost every bridge and various sets from every show and film. Even back in the day, one of the big draws of games like VOY: Elite Force and DS9: The Fallen were the ability to virtually explore the Voyager and DS9
Everything but the Warp Core was some shade of grey!
To be fair, in-universe Intrepids were supposed to be more utilitarian than flagships like the Galaxy class. IRL I guess it was more of an aesthetic return-to-form to the Motion Picture-era Enterprise, which was mostly bare metal, greys, sprinkled with a few shades of beige and an almost identical warp core.
 
Took a break from DS9 to focus on working on my next video for a bit, now I'm back.

S03E11 Past Tense Part 1 is kinda painful, which I was expecting from an episode about time travelling back to 2024 San Fran. Very cringeworthy preachy bullshit from Bashir and Sisko about injustices, a corrupt system, and so on. Back then this may have been novel and socially conscious, but hearing it nowadays holy shit it just sounds like a very slightly less gay and communist version of modern Trek.

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Jadzia at least has an interesting B-Plot where she's slipped into becoming a socialite in 2024 society and she's just bluffing and bullshitting her way through everything.
I guess I'll watch Part 2, but man I wanna go back to space politics instead of IRL politics.
I found it kinda weird how close they got to predicting 2024... sure police don't really carry around shotguns and the internet isn't hyper restricted (yet) but overall I found it a touch unnerving how close to home it was.
 
Voyager really fucked up handling entering Borg space. Completely declawed them as a serious threat for everything afterward except the Enterprise episode. Introducing species 8472 so blatantly was a mistake
Then they proceeded to take 8472 and write them into being super lame and gay. Weren't they taking human form and hitting on Chakotay?
 
I know Voyager has been a bit of a punching bag, but did anyone else see this announcement today?


Where on earth did this come from? What, why, and how? I have so many questions, but...honestly, even if it -as a game- it ends up being not that great, it looks like it'd be awesome as just a 3D free-roam ship sim of the Voyager. Most of the ship appears fully modeled inside and out:
iirc it doesn't have any voice acting and they couldn't even use phaser sounds, maybe due to some weird rights issues? Very odd choice.
 
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