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Gap Hag said:
Can you go into this more deeply?
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The first is a corny reboot where elderly Spock and some angry Romulans go back to Kirk's birth and change the timeline. The characters are turned into buttheads, it takes advantage of Spocks TNG story.

The second is a dumb movie with a dumb plot, involving khan for some reason, but he isn't khan, he has a magic transporter. The crew willfully breaks the Prime Directive (I hope you know what that is) and the Enterprise survives multiple situations it would be killed by gravity including going under an ocean. The federation murders innocent people. The characters are turned into violent assholes, there's a ton of unearned callbacks/ripoffs of Wrath of Khan.
 
Cnut said:
The first is a corny reboot where elderly Spock and some angry Romulans go back to Kirk's birth and change the timeline. The characters are turned into buttheads, it takes advantage of Spocks TNG story.

The second is a dumb movie with a dumb plot, involving khan for some reason, but he isn't khan, he has a magic transporter. The crew willfully breaks the Prime Directive (I hope you know what that is) and the Enterprise survives multiple situations it would be killed by gravity including going under an ocean. The federation murders innocent people. The characters are turned into violent assholes, there's a ton of unearned callbacks/ripoffs of Wrath of Khan.
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Sounds like all the thinking and philosophy was ripped out just to make it retarded, i remember watching the TOS episode about kirk going back in time,

The City on the Edge of Forever​

it was called, and in it he had to wrestle with himself to let a girl die just so that the future could be proper. it was a fucking fantastic episode and i hope that there's more star trek episodes like that, about tough decisions.
 
Quoting myself to add a timeline of Kurtzman Trek:
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CervixHammer said:
There might have been some Trek Fatigue since it came out after/during the tail end of 21 seasons of TNG, DS9 and Voyager, along with 6 movies, before streaming and while TV seasons were still 20+ episodes each.
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Van Darkholme said:
Just fyi: Shatner doesn't write his own tweets according to what he told to Brent Spiner on some other podcast.
I know, massive disappointment. I felt the same when I realized the Iron Sheik just doesn't call people faggots on twitter all day.
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According to multiple accounts, his Twitter is run entirely by social media manager, crypto shill, and starfucking leech Paul Camuso.

He hasn't been active on the site for several years, but it's clear from his Reddit posting history that he's the same guy who posts all the weird shit on Shatner's twitter. A good example of his Reddit antics is a fairly amusing interaction on r/RedLetterMedia where he pretends to be a rando defending Camuso's good reputation as "an absolutely brilliant NFT strategist with a good moral compass."

Based on the Wicked references on his Instagram, he also appears to be a complete flamer. He's obsessed with the male lead from the time-travel romance TV show Outlander (a show aimed at middle aged women who read Harlequin novels). This has resulted in years of creepy interactions using the Shatner Twitter account.
 
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Gap Hag said:
Sounds like all the thinking and philosophy was ripped out just to make it retarded, i remember watching the TOS episode about kirk going back in time,

The City on the Edge of Forever​

it was called, and in it he had to wrestle with himself to let a girl die just so that the future could be proper. it was a fucking fantastic episode and i hope that there's more star trek episodes like that, about tough decisions
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If you keep watching original series, you will discover a lot of crap in season 3. The Animated series which is basically season 4 makes up for it but episodes are only half as long. There is a Guardian of Forever episode which is also Spock origin episode. Particularly featuring tough moral choices .
 
Everybody keeps saying that JJ trek was the beginning of the end but it's like we all forgot Nemesis. It even blew up a major world! That's where it really began. Insurrection wasn't super but it felt like watching a mid TNG two parters with a higher budget, aside from the "Make it good for the mass" problems with Picard being an action hero and shit.

Nemesis on the other hand was absolutely unwatchable shit that has almost to resemblance to the Star Trek.

Anyway, I finished season 3 of Enterprise! Ended up binging the last 4-5 episodes since they really ramp up how serialized it gets and I wanted to see the end of this Xindi Weapon Mission arc. All in all, kinda nice, Althought Archer certain became more and more unlikable. The episode where they just jack warp coils from Not-Damar, I kept thinking the whole time there'd be some turn around that makes Archer change his mind but nope, they just acted like fuckin raiders and left and the episode ended and we'll never see those guys again. I think the only consolation is that since they destroyed the sphere network it'll be safer for them to travel back to their home world.

It's a shame they had to kill Hayes at the end it was like "Sorry, MACO are here for one season, you're out!". Also pretty heavily telegraphed when Trip said he could warp two at a time and there was 5 of them, the math was pretty easy to figure out. I suppose they only faked me out for a split second for the first time ever showing somebody getting hurt through a transporter beam.

T'pol entire arc is lol what the fuck? Crackhead T'pol is not something I thought I'd see. Speaking of cracks thought as horny as the show is I sure did not expect I also see her butt crack but here we are. Definitely award for most sexualized Trek character. In my initial watch of the show I used to hate her for how she was just some too emotional piece of fuckmeat they put in there. But now that I'm old and jaded and sexualizing female characters has become such a taboo I kinda welcome it. Fuck it.

A whole season and Travis did nothing except pilot the ship. Like nothing. They even figured out ways for Hoshi to be cool because huh, crypto is like languages right? She can be super good at decrypting stuff she's clearly some kind of wunderkind. Reed gets the whole MACO vs Starfleet arc, Trip gets to deal with his own person demons and gets to do some cultural exchange with T'Pol. I'd say Phlox doesn't really get much of an arc here but he still has many thing to contribute to the plot and is instrumental in several ways.

It's like they forgot Travis existed.

I think the lamest shit is doing that "ooops it's all nazi" thing right at the end which only ended up being a two parter for the beginning of S4 it just feels like it took some wind out of the sails of finally succeeding at the mission and saving Earth. Plus I just ugh another thing as I grew up is seeing Nazi being comically evil is something I just find cringe at this point so yeah that whole start to season four was less than stellar.
 
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Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
Althought Archer certain became more and more unlikable. The episode where they just jack warp coils from Not-Damar, I kept thinking the whole time there'd be some turn around that makes Archer change his mind but nope, they just acted like fuckin raiders and left and the episode ended and we'll never see those guys again. I think the only consolation is that since they destroyed the sphere network it'll be safer for them to travel back to their home world.
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In Archer's defense, he gave them plenty of supplies to make up for stealing the warp coil, and it was clearly an absolute last resort. Think Sisko's and Janeway's actions during "In the Pale Moonlight" and "Scorpion" respectively.
Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
It's a shame they had to kill Hayes at the end it was like "Sorry, MACO are here for one season, you're out!". Also pretty heavily telegraphed when Trip said he could warp two at a time and there was 5 of them, the math was pretty easy to figure out. I suppose they only faked me out for a split second for the first time ever showing somebody getting hurt through a transporter beam.
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Trip's just like, "Joke's on you. I'm not getting killed off until next season."
Rabo 2: Electric Boogaloo said:
I think the lamest shit is doing that "ooops it's all nazi" thing right at the end which only ended up being a two parter for the beginning of S4 it just feels like it took some wind out of the sails of finally succeeding at the mission and saving Earth. Plus I just ugh another thing as I grew up is seeing Nazi being comically evil is something I just find cringe at this point so yeah that whole start to season four was less than stellar.
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It gets even dumber because it's the grand finale of the universally despised Temporal Cold War arc.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Then when you dissect 09, it gets worse on rewatch because now you notice all kinds of dumb plotholes like Nero floating in space for twenty years
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And that would not have been a plot hole if they included the delete scene of Nero getting captured by Klingons after the opening battle and being held in a prison camp for two decades before escaping.
 
mlanguishi said:
Damn, what do they have on Shatner that even he's complaining about SFA getting canceled.

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I would dispute calling anything that challenges social conservatism of the time as woke. Woke is false enlightenment to me, it's labeling intellectual regression as progress. But regardless, for the sake of argument call the TOS kiss woke. Here's the differerence: It was groundbreaking woke. It was a television first on a show that was unlike other shows that came before it. Nothing Star Trek Academy was doing was original, it's just following behind 10,000 other woke shows, movies, games, and books in a TV series with 10,000 previous episodes.
 
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I wish theyd do more cool shit with their phasers. Only twice have we seen them blow a man into chunks but from that one episode with Riker going mad he admitted that wide beam high power could blow apart a section of a building
I want to see a man use a phaser pistol to blow out part of a starship's interior

Sucks they almost did that with a Romulan disruptor pistol but they were out of material phase and the best it could do was make two people look almost not invisible to Data
 
The Nothingness said:
And that would not have been a plot hole if they included the delete scene of Nero getting captured by Klingons after the opening battle and being held in a prison camp for two decades before escaping.
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Yes, but it then would have introduced another plot hole of how 23rd century Klingons can overpower the Nerada after the Nerada easily beat the Kelvin. Nero has to leave the ship to get arrested by them, but what's the reason for that?

But I agree that JJ edits out the wrong kind of scenes for pacing reasons, just like when Leia explained why she's using the Resistance instead of the New Republic army or Scotty bluffing his way onto the Section 31 base. Those scenes are connective tissue, but are removed carelessly, so then you start asking questions about why characters are doing the things that they do.
 
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Van Darkholme said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRCN9Toi-Ck 1:40 on
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That's it. I thought it was more recent than two years ago, but I must've watched that clip right after the Frakes/Spiner/Burton podcast. As soon as the "This guy Shatner, is his last name in the past tense?" anecdote came up, it clicked back into place.
(I had also checked Inside Of You but the most recent Trek actor was Pike from SNW and Wil Wheaton before that, and Wil Wheaton is always a good reason to stop scrolling and close the tab.)
 
mlanguishi said:
A: McCarthy was right
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I literally have a sticker on my laptop reading that
Cnut said:
If you keep watching original series, you will discover a lot of crap in season 3. The Animated series which is basically season 4 makes up for it but episodes are only half as long. There is a Guardian of Forever episode which is also Spock origin episode. Particularly featuring tough moral choices .
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yeah TAS is absolutely worth a watch, the scripts could generally have used a couple of additional drafts especially to double-check the Trek jargon, but there's a lot of fun stuff, ESPECIALLY the Guardian episode where DC gets to jerk her vulcan lore cock all over the place
 
Calandrino said:
Y'know, when VOY and ENT first aired, a lot of the fanboys said they sucked too. Same with Insurrection and Nemesis.

Whereas, nowadays,
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VOY and ENT did suck when they first aired, and fans were right to point it out. They got better as the show matured, but were still the weakest of the classic Trek series. Same story with TNG Season 1, it was objectively bad, and the old neckbeards were also right to complain.

Insurrection was the single worst Trek movie until Into Darkness. Nemesis was such a bomb it literally killed Rick Berman's career, even if Enterprise hobbled along for a few more years after.

The Kurtzman era will be infamous because it made all of the previous low-points seem stellar in comparison. And, with a very few exceptions, producers never learned or substantially improved, they just kept doubling down. The shows kept getting dumber and dumber, culminating in the absolute shitshow that was Academy.
 
Phillip Green said:
Same story with TNG Season 1, it was objectively bad
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Is it weird I enjoy season 1? It's... not good, there's no doubt, but the atmosphere is so different from anything else that's out there. It really doesn't feel like anything else in Star Trek, except maybe The Motion Picture. "Slowly dying Gene Roddenberry weirdness" energy, I guess.
 
Welf Welf said:
Is it weird I enjoy season 1? It's... not good, there's no doubt, but the atmosphere is so different from anything else that's out there. It really doesn't feel like anything else in Star Trek, except maybe The Motion Picture. "Slowly dying Gene Roddenberry weirdness" energy, I guess.
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I understand. It's a taste of what Phase II would have been like.

It's bad, but it's still a fascinating mix of the lingering remains of the Disco era, and the already dying mid-80's pantsuits and perms era. The entire production crew, especially Gene, were all-in on polyester free love, and it shows.

It was also the last of William Theiss' flamboyant costuming, which including the skant, Tasha Yar's tummy, the planet of the turbaned spear-chuckers, and Riker's Angel 1 silk pajamas.

It certainly had a vibe.
 
TNG S1's biggest problem is that the worst of it is near the beginning, so you have to run the gauntlet to get to fun (whether because it's a rare good episode or fun in a bad way) stuff later in the season. On the other hand, when S2 is bad its just boring because the goofiness has been toned down a lot.
 
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