Star Trek - Space: The Final Frontier

Hey Johnny Bravo said:
No. The reality is that the Tal Shiar, Obsidian Order, and Section 31 should all work in tandem with other moving parts on the proverbial chessboard. Making it all about the spook agencies would end up in flanderization.
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Yep, you'd have to add the military, the political leaders and perhaps the media to the plot. It's one of the reasons why I wouldn't mind that President Archer-series that has been floating around for a while.
 
Hunter Hearst Helmsley said:
"For the federation to exist we need evil James Bond."
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I mean that's basically what Sloan tried to sell to Bashir, but I think the Federation engaging in a little Total Alien Death from time to time makes sense.

A government that agrees to never ever ever use cloak tech, pinky-promise, while their enemies obviously don't give a fuck is probably not going to last long.
 
Gay Sex Enjoyer said:
I mean that's basically what Sloan tried to sell to Bashir, but I think the Federation engaging in a little Total Alien Death from time to time makes sense.

A government that agrees to never ever ever use cloak tech, pinky-promise, while their enemies obviously don't give a fuck is probably not going to last long.
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Yeah the cloak tech treaty was and is bullshit. Like we had multiple episodes where they either steal a cloak or make one in secret, so clearly the feddies don't care about the treaty too hard when shit gets tough
 
WelperHelper99 said:
Yeah the cloak tech treaty was and is bullshit. Like we had multiple episodes where they either steal a cloak or make one in secret, so clearly the feddies don't care about the treaty too hard when shit gets tough
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In my head canon after Nemesis when the Feds and Romulans finally sat down to talk the first thing to either go or be heavily revised was the Treaty of Algeron. Since the Dominion war was still very fresh in the Feds minds and Shinzons cloak was so good that it couldn't really be detected (possible interphase cloak adapted tech?) the Feds said under no circumstance would they continue to abstain from using cloaking tech. in a least some ships. This was pushed possibly by more militant factions and races in the Federation after having nearly lost the Dominion war.

EDIT: All of this cloak talk may have been rendered moot by the tech future Janeway brought back. It may have taken a few years but I'm willing to bet the corps of engineers sunk their teeth into adapting it into the fleet after finding out what it could do to the Borg.
 
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I know this is repetitive and annoying ...but, has Alex Kurtzman been fired yet?

Some screenshot that I liked:
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Clown College 2nd Year said:
In my head canon after Nemesis when the Feds and Romulans finally sat down to talk the first thing to either go or be heavily revised was the Treaty of Algeron. Since the Dominion war was still very fresh in the Feds minds and Shinzons cloak was so good that it couldn't really be detected (possible interphase cloak adapted tech?) the Feds said under no circumstance would they continue to abstain from using cloaking tech. in a least some ships. This was pushed possibly by more militant factions and races in the Federation after having nearly lost the Dominion war.

EDIT: All of this cloak talk may have been rendered moot by the tech future Janeway brought back. It may have taken a few years but I'm willing to bet the corps of engineers sunk their teeth into adapting it into the fleet after finding out what it could do to the Borg.
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I think the cloak ban was more to ensure exploration remained dangerous and exciting for the plot in the future. If you have powerful cloaking 90% of plots where the goal is exploration are automatically solved. Every episode would rely on a mcguffin to disable or bypass the cloak.
 
Whiskey said:
I think the cloak ban was more to ensure exploration remained dangerous and exciting for the plot in the future. If you have powerful cloaking 90% of plots where the goal is exploration are automatically solved. Every episode would rely on a mcguffin to disable or bypass the cloak.
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I think DS9 handled it well with the Defiant where it caused subspace whatevers when cloaked, meaning it couldn't stay in one place for too long without being spotted.
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
I think DS9 handled it well with the Defiant where it caused subspace whatevers when cloaked, meaning it couldn't stay in one place for too long without being spotted.
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It worked for that situation but move it to voyager and suddenly most of the plots no longer work. I think it can be a tool... but one more suited to a war story like ds9. I don't hate it I just think it solves to many problems. Speaking for in world lore though you would never not want to have stealth.
 
los pepes said:
FWIW youtube sofbro says the WSO was recovered alive


Obviously huge grain of salt. But it makes sense why they would keep a lid on things even if it happened a few hours ago. If the Iranians are driving in around in convoys trying to wrangle this guy that makes for some juicy brrrrrrt opportunities. No reason to let them know the game is over and disperse. Keep the party going until they figure out the hard way.
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lol, why are Iran Happenings posts following me here!?
 
Hey Johnny Bravo said:
Even racist chuds like Star Trek, hence all the political gatekeeping by nuTrek.
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The funny thing is that Star Trek has always been 'progressive' but it used to do it much better. They weren't so blatant about things, they got there mostly be showing everyone being professional, competent and working together.
 
The detail here is that, in theory, humanity has progressed so much into the right direction that we really shouldn't need something like S31, that's why it's shocking for all of us. We deal with a few random evil admirals, but we know they eventually received their rightful punishment. Starfleet is not just top competence, it's also top ethical and moral competence, or it should be. Maybe it was needed for the first years of Starfleet, but now it should be just a leftover of what they were. They could be only "called" during wartime or some special emergency (say, Borg invasion).

Think about all the times Picard and his crew have faced serious ethical questionings and they still didn't need S31 to do the job for them.
 
Curzon Dax-sama said:
When the music stops, I hope Kurtzman finds himself without a chair.
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It’s terrifying to realize this guy’s only halfway through Berman's run. I’ve aged visibly. When Kurtzman took over I had abs, now I look like a Ferengi.
 
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