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tigergrinder said:
I don't blame Avery and Louise for not wanting to join in on this shitshow. I've seen another actress from a completely different show do that, because she felt she was being typecast.
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Fletcher was doomed to be typecast as the passive-agresive bitch the moment she did Ratched so I think by the time DS9 came around, she was whatever about it. Judging from quotes on Memory Alpha where she said she had fun with the character and remembering an interview where she said Trekkies are the ones still writing her fanletters most often, she doesn't seem too bothered by having a role in this sci-fi series. She however is one of the oldest from the bunch (well over 80) so possibly her health just wasn't up for it. I listened to a radio or podcast clip that briefly interviewed her maybe a couple of years or so ago and she was sounding rough. With Avery tho, it's been said he just always saw it as another role and didn't really give a shit about interacting with a fandom. So he definitely was knowingly staying away from the dreaded typecasting headache. Dude just didn't have anything more to say and didn't want to sit down again for another interview and talk about why Sisko was a good father and leader during wartimes and also black.
 
Flexo said:
That is what is called a brainstorming session.


They're storyboards. They're not meant to be sold product, just very rough sketches to get things in order. You don't sistine chapel the things up because they're disposable.
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Sorry, I call no way.

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Most storyboards are done in B/W as a time-saver. Sometimes, they'll apply 3 values (black, white, middle gray) to help establish a scene or apply importance to the characters. However, if you've got time to go back in apply Dodge and Multiply to everything, and yet your basic drawings look like that, you're a crappy artist. And look at the background, for fuck's sake! You can tell they just traced from a screenshot!

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Look at that. Look at how obviously, jarringly bad the background characters are. They had time to add in little shiny jewels to the books, throw in the damn wormhole (which I think was animated in this shot), even add highlights to peoples' hair, but then, "Oh no, shit, ran outta time, can only draw gray blob people for the rest of the scene." Give me a break.

I've had to do storyboard sequences (action ones, too) myself, so I know what a pain in the ass it can be. But this person should never have gotten this job in the first place. They should've gotten an actual storyboard artist to do the gig.
 
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Titan Lithos said:
Imagine the collective response to such a series suddenly revealing that Discovery and Picard were actually Barclay's teenage fanfiction in holonovel form. And people tell him he was a terrible writer.
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Actually... okay, take that but instead of Barclay, it's Q. Q's just fucking with Picard and letting him imagine he's a senile old man, while keeping him in suspended animation. I'd take that over the sad reality.
 
To quote something I saw a person somewhere else post:

The reason shit like Star Wars or Star Trek sucks now is because modern film/tv writers literally cannot write a script that isn't just coated in irony, snarkiness, or cynicism. Nothing can just be fun or genuine anymore, it has to "smart" and self aware.
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This is too true, it's just amazing how you look at old Trek and see casts of characters with high ideals who speak sincerely and directly. New, improved modern television writers think it's cool and intelligent to pack their shows in the ST setting full of cynical quipping scumbags who behave like the most obnoxious people of our time.
 
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tigergrinder said:
Sorry, I call no way.

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Most storyboards are done in B/W as a time-saver. Sometimes, they'll apply 3 values (black, white, middle gray) to help establish a scene or apply importance to the characters. However, if you've got time to go back in apply Dodge and Multiply to everything, and yet your basic drawings look like that, you're a crappy artist. And look at the background, for fuck's sake! You can tell they just traced from a screenshot!

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Look at that. Look at obviously, jarringly bad the background characters are. They had time to add in little shiny jewels to the books, throw in the damn wormhole (which I think was animated in this shot), even add highlights to peoples' hair, but then, "Oh no, shit, ran outta time, can only draw gray blob people for the rest of the scene." Give me a break.

I've had to do storyboard sequences (action ones, too) myself, so I know what a pain in the ass it can be. But this person should never have gotten this job in the first place. They should've gotten an actual storyboard artist to do the gig.
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AS the internet says: pics or GTFO. Post your work to prove how it's done.
 
Commander X said:
To quote something I saw a person somewhere else post:



This is too true, it's just amazing how you look at old Trek and see casts of characters with high ideals who speak sincerely and directly. New, improved modern television writers think it's cool and intelligent to pack their shows in the ST setting full of cynical quipping scumbags who behave like the most obnoxious people of our time.
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The Whedon-ing of Entertainment.
 
My biggest issue with DS9 was that the main cast was massively under used.

The best episodes I remember are always the ancillary cast. Any Ferengi episode was always great fun, toss in the Grand Nagus or Quarks mother or even Brunt and pow! Garrack routinely stole the spotlight anytime he was featured and even Dukat was ham level great 90% of the time.

Throw in any mirror universe episode, (mirror Kira was ball lickingly awesome), and you could see how the actors shined outside their otherwise dreary roles.

Martok and Worf Klingon episodes were always entertaining and even Wayuen was hard to not love as a smug scheming bastard.

Compare that to the main cast. I cant really think of one purely main cast episode that stands out. Which is a crying shame as the original writers had some bad ass characters to work with.

Kira was a tough as nails revolutionary with a religious background but after 1 episode she's a perfect XO to Sisko despite their obvious differences.

Dax is a 700 year old being full of weird and strange life experiences but nope ...turns into a bog standard Star Fleet science officer.

Bashir, genetically engineered super human? Nah, he's a basic boring doctor type who whiney and annoying as his main character traits.

Hell, they had to go and give them a ship in later seasons to allow them to do some actual Trek like episodes.

I dunno if the writing team was swapped out after the 1st few episodes but such a great opportunity wasted.
 
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