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FYI for those who missed it, the DS9 doc is free on YouTube.
 
Star Trek fan productions do have a limited history of being pretty good, all things considered. I probably liked Starship Farragut the most. Even Axanar had more potential than anything we saw in Discovery, and depending on who you want to believe in that scenario Axanar was probably killed because it involved the same historical time period and conflict (a short war with the Klingons) that Discovery did.
The real thing that keeps most Trek fan productions from being any good, or even getting off the ground, is the insane list of rules you have to comply with to make one without risking a lawsuit.

Ironically Trek's official current content can't even meet the criteria set forth for fan films:

The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content. The content of the fan production cannot violate any individual’s right of privacy.
 
The real thing that keeps most Trek fan productions from being any good, or even getting off the ground, is the insane list of rules you have to comply with to make one without risking a lawsuit.

Ironically Trek's official current content can't even meet the criteria set forth for fan films:

The fan production must be family friendly and suitable for public presentation. Videos must not include profanity, nudity, obscenity, pornography, depictions of drugs, alcohol, tobacco, or any harmful or illegal activity, or any material that is offensive, fraudulent, defamatory, libelous, disparaging, sexually explicit, threatening, hateful, or any other inappropriate content. The content of the fan production cannot violate any individual’s right of privacy.
Nearly every fan production I've enjoyed was usually made long before those rule were set in place. There's a conspiracy theory floating around that the rules are only that strict specifically to stifle any fan productions. Given what Discovery and Picard ended up looking like I wouldn't be surprised.
 
Nearly every fan production I've enjoyed was usually made long before those rule were set in place. There's a conspiracy theory floating around that the rules are only that strict specifically to stifle any fan productions. Given what Discovery and Picard ended up looking like I wouldn't be surprised.
It wouldn't look good for there to be a plethora of fan productions all of them better than the actual shit they're currently making.
 
Finally sitting down to watch What We Left Behind, goddamn I hate that stupid fucking purple goatee. Not only does it look like an unshaved vagina on his face, but it's fucking distracting. And ugly.
 
Calling it now, the Discovery will go back in time using the Guardian of Forever... and Burnham will somehow get involved with Kirk's Enterprise.
Depending on how dickish the showrunners are by the end of the season, she'll either become the ancestor to Uhura or she'll be Kirk's grandmother or something.
Burnham was Kirk's first lover. Taught him everything he knows.
 
Just saw DS9 "Hard Time" and that was some dark shit. O'Brien with a phaser set of maximum ready to blast his brains out in the cargo bay -- while being talked to by a headmate felt straight out of BSG.

At least Kaiko wasn't being a harpy. That kind of grimdark is exhausting and is reminder why I never feel like rewatching BSG.
Now that Star Trek is dead to me I have been looking to get into other Sci fi TV shows. is BSG any good?
 
Now that Star Trek is dead to me I have been looking to get into other Sci fi TV shows. is BSG any good?
I liked Andromeda. I never saw any of the Stargate series cept the Kurt Russell movie so I'm probably going to check those out during the new year.
 
Burnham was Kirk's first lover. Taught him everything he knows.
She was the one who told him how the Kobayashi Maru Test works (maybe she invented it even) and Kirk, being the white male incel that he is, can not accept that it is a test that only has bad outcomes (like what is all this post-colonialism and white privilege even worth when you still can fail at something?), he throws a tantrum and takes advantage of Burnham, so he learns how to reprogramm it and then cheats. Burnham will be disappointed and Kirk will go "What do I care, as a Captain, I'll get all the pussy I want!".
Now that Star Trek is dead to me I have been looking to get into other Sci fi TV shows. is BSG any good?
BSG does have a lot of neat ideas, such as treating the survivor fleet with a lot of attention. The number of survivors, the number and type of ships, that's all something that will figure into the ongoing plot... but as has been said, the show suffers at times from "everyone is a fucking bitch" syndrome and the longer it goes on, the weirder some of the religious overtones get.
Overall, it didn't really capture my interest.

Stargate is a bit cheesy at times, but it's absolutely entertaining and has many great and memorable episodes.

If you haven't already, check out The Expanse. Hard Sci-Fi done right. Neat characters, great intrigues, amazing action, dunno how it fares after Season 4, but Season 3 gives a great and satisfying ending, so even if everything after S4 would end up sucking donkeyballs, you can still just watch the first three seasons and not get gipped out of a satisfying conclusion.
It's one of the few shows that has "empowered female characters" that are actually fucking awesome and don't just do the Current-Year-thing by constantly overshadowing their male counterparts.
 
I liked Andromeda. I never saw any of the Stargate series cept the Kurt Russell movie so I'm probably going to check those out during the new year.
It seems like everyone I've met online who has a good opinion of Enterprise either turned out to be a Stargate fan or liked that show as well, so that one is probably a good bet. From what I've seen of Stargate SG1 it definitely has that space-military feel that ENT was going for down.
 
I liked Andromeda. I never saw any of the Stargate series cept the Kurt Russell movie so I'm probably going to check those out during the new year.
Andromeda (free on tubitv) is very much a mix of TOS & DS9. Go into it with an appetite for cheese.

Stargate is on amazon prime and is awesome. Recommended.
 
Now that Star Trek is dead to me I have been looking to get into other Sci fi TV shows. is BSG any good?
BSG remake seemed to have two problems: the writers didn't seem to plan on the show lasting that long (oops, another season? better make another 1/2 of the remaining cast evil)...and way, way too many other shows tried to ape its success afterwards. I missed watching it when it was first airing; by the time I got around to trying it, it felt played-out since so may other shows rushed to the grimdark remake train in its footsteps. The spinoff "Caprica" was fucking unwatchable for me.

Honestly, Babylon 5 was really surprisingly good (despite also running for longer than the writers planned; though to be fair, planning out a 4-season story arc is kind of a lot of work, rushing a 5th season is going to lead to a drop in quality). You can skip season 5 and the made-for-TV movie shit, none of it was that great. Whereas DS9 falls to the usual technobabble/deus ex machina shit (a bit less than the other Treks, but still), I don't recall many times where the same happened with B5.

Seconded the various Stargates. Looks cheesy, and is a bit (ep. 200 shows the writers are fully aware), but a lot of decent fleshing-out of the universe that made DS9/B5 fulfilling.

Edit: third-ing The Expanse. So damn good I ended up reading the books the show itself is based on. The fourth season didn't do a whole lot for me, but I'm optimistic about the following one.
 
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Now that Star Trek is dead to me I have been looking to get into other Sci fi TV shows. is BSG any good?
Babylon 5, Farscape, BSG, The Expanse, The Orville, Stargate (SG-1 is pretty good, Atlantis was meh and Universe was a different, more realistic take on the concept although radically different from the quippy Atlantis spin-off).

the writers didn't seem to plan on the show lasting that long (oops, another season? better make another 1/2 of the remaining cast evil)
That's not what happened though. Syfy promised them 5 seasons but then the Hollywood's Writers Guild went on strike between the seasons 3 and 4 so that pushed the channel to end the show sooner, forcing Moore to wrap up a few storylines that they planned, we can see how the second half of season 4 goes all over the place instead of leading properly toward a series finale. If the writers' strike had continued, the show would have ended at the mid-season 4 cliffhanger.

That was due to Jane Espenson, who fucked it up so badly she got fired halfway through the first and only season.
I still can't understand why Moore brought her on board in season 4. She wrote the worst episode, she's too used to the Whedon writing style. All she does is create LGBT characters for no reason other than pandering.
 
That was due to Jane Espenson, who fucked it up so badly she got fired halfway through the first and only season.

I still can't understand why Moore brought her on board in season 4. She wrote the worst episode, she's too used to the Whedon writing style. All she does is create LGBT characters for no reason other than pandering.
Same Jane Espenson who worked on firefly?

Oh do I have words...
 
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