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UnKillShredDur said:
Wasn't Malcolm McDowell in Generations supposed to be from the same race as Guinan?

Who am I kidding, they're totally going to retcon the El-Aurians as all being benevolent kangs who split off from the evil wypipo Q.
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That's not a retcon. The El-Aurians were written as benevolent with a few outliers that used their empathic Trek shit to become grifters, etc.
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
Yeah, it's hard to go into detail what makes Babylon 5 so great, since most stuff has a lot of build-up and a lot of cool moments would need to be explained, which would spoil the fun.
Just to throw out a seemingly random quote:
"And I will wave... just like this."

It's one of the best moments ever put to film, and if you have seen the show, you will agree, I am sure. But to anyone else, explaing why that quote is so amazing, satisfying and glorious really takes away from the experience of watching the show.

And that short clip also highlights the amazing costume and mask work. Mollari's Space-Austo-Hungarian uniform just looks baller.
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Love that scene. It really proves that for Babylon 5 you have to pay attention to every scene including the funny ones. As they will play a big part of the future of the story.
Michael Wade said:
He could have been a household name im sure of it. I got a classic paragon/renegade Shepard vibe from him. Shame we'll never know.
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It is. My dad was a fan of Sinclair.
Tasty Tatty said:
B5 has its own charm, though. And it can hold itself on its own. I remember some normies watched it because it didn't have the "Star Trek"™ brand attached to it. I'm talking about decades ago, of course. Not everybody who enjoyed the occasional scifi show is a nerd.
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I agree. It's what makes it special is how at the time of the show it was one of the few to rival Star Trek in fame.
Fareal said:
Oh, another thing that pissed me off about Abrams!Trek: Uhura.

Uhura was made out to be a STRONG SASSY BITCH who demanded respect from her crewmates. In TOS, she didn’t need to demand respect from her crewmates: they already respected her and her skills at her job. The new!crew were less accepting than the old crew.

It pissed me off that the remake was Making Statements about diversity circa 2010 when the whole point of TOS was that the circa 1960 issues about diversity would not fucking matter centuries later in a galaxy full of other humanoid - and non humanoid! - species. Your particular flavour of human identity wouldn’t matter a shit to your Andorian buddy.

I still find it kind of amazing that Abrams was paid to take a massive shit over both the space megafranchises.
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I hate when there is no sexist or racist problem with characters in old shows. And than you get hack SJWs who make it a problem in there "superior" new version.
King Dead said:
oh my god can we stop with the fucking nazis

Assuming this pans out (and honestly I can't see those flags as anything else), how much do you wanna bet this plotline was already thought up pre-election as yet another "take that" to the Bad Orange Man, with Picard doing an epic speech to own the fascists? Except they couldn't course-correct after the Most Secure Election in History™ defeated Drumpf, so they're stuck making yet another "nazis are bad mmkay" plotline.

To anyone who still has hope that Trek can be saved, I have a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you.
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This ridiculous orange man is gone. And I doubt they are going to criticized st. Biden. So what's the point
 
Thomas Highway said:
That's not a retcon. The El-Aurians were written as benevolent with a few outliers that used their empathic Trek shit to become grifters, etc.
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By the term "kangs," I was obviously referring to the fact that they're going to claim that all of the El-Aurians are and always have been black, even though we've seen at least as many El-Aurians who aren't. (I don't want to say Guinan was the only one we were ever shown who was, but I can't think of any others offhand.)

The Kurtzman Trek hack writers probably want their own Wakanda.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
By the term "kangs," I was obviously referring to the fact that they're going to claim that all of the El-Aurians are and always have been black, even though we've seen at least as many El-Aurians who aren't. (I don't want to say Guinan was the only one we were ever shown who was, but I can't think of any others offhand.)

The Kurtzman Trek hack writers probably want their own Wakanda.
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I don't like modern Star Trek or the wokeness involved in it or the reboots. TNG and DS9 are fine as they are, although DS9 is better overall.

Was just pointing out an objective fact about the El-Aurians. You're the one being weird.
 
UnKillShredDur said:
By the term "kangs," I was obviously referring to the fact that they're going to claim that all of the El-Aurians are and always have been black, even though we've seen at least as many El-Aurians who aren't. (I don't want to say Guinan was the only one we were ever shown who was, but I can't think of any others offhand.)

The Kurtzman Trek hack writers probably want their own Wakanda.
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Nigger exhaustion has reached an all time high.

Just collectively boycott their shit and or make your own stuff at this point.

Make sure you own the physical offline copies of the older stuff so they don't add any updates to them and change them slowly with their micro edits.
 
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Thomas Highway said:
That's not a retcon. The El-Aurians were written as benevolent with a few outliers that used their empathic Trek shit to become grifters, etc.
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Yeah, interestingly enough Guinan's son showed up in DS9 as a total grifter. His parentage is unrevealed in the episode, but in the background they were planning to use him and his mom more. Never got around to it because the episode wasn't that popular and whoopi was unavailable.

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Im actually ok with the concept of doing a nazi episode with Picard. All the other shows got one, so might as well give Patrick his due. Im just not comfortable stretching this shit over a season with the current crop of writers. Especially when one of the major conflicts is how 7 of 9 being gay puts everyone in danger. :story:

Speaking of which, what's her relationship status in the novels for curiosity's sake? Im still mad they had her ditch Chakotay in Picard. Legit my favorite fucking character on the show.




It'll be nice to see Robert Picardo back though. kinda wish they gave him the name Doctor Van Gogh though.

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Thomas Highway said:
Being mad about wokeness in Star Trek is just.... like... do you even know who Gene Roddenberry is?
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As hard as it is for me to believe it, Roddenberry was the restrained one compared to today.
 
Oats12345 said:
I hate when there is no sexist or racist problem with characters in old shows. And than you get hack SJWs who make it a problem in there "superior" new version.
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Most of thpse alleged "problems" were very contextual situations that had a reason to be, even if we don't like it now. Back in the 60s, being a secretary or having an office job was the only thing many women were able to get if they wanted a job. I've seen many women complain that Uhura was "just" a secretary, but I'm sure many women feel represented by her because they saw themselves in that character, black or not.


UnKillShredDur said:
The Kurtzman Trek hack writers probably want their own Wakanda.
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Thomas Highway said:
Being mad about wokeness in Star Trek is just.... like... do you even know who Gene Roddenberry is?
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Being woke is not the same as supporting just causes for equality. The best messages are always subtle. Remember Measure of a Man: Guinan talks about how there is a danger with dehumanization because that's the first step to treat people like subhumans, which leads to slavery. She doesn't start lecturing Picard about how WHITEY slaved blacks. She could have meant blacks or jews or women or indigenous or other species in other universes. Wokeness doesn't do that, they have specific agendas to push.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
Most of thpse alleged "problems" were very contextual situations that had a reason to be, even if we don't like it now. Back in the 60s, being a secretary or having an office job was the only thing many women were able to get if they wanted a job. I've seen many women complain that Uhura was "just" a secretary, but I'm sure many women feel represented by her because they saw themselves in that character, black or not.




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Being woke is not the same as supporting just causes for equality. The best messages are always subtle. Remember Measure of a Man: Guinan talks about how there is a danger with dehumanization because that's the first step to treat people like subhumans, which leads to slavery. She doesn't start lecturing Picard about how WHITEY slaved blacks. She could have meant blacks or jews or women or indigenous or other species in other universes. Wokeness doesn't do that, they have specific agendas to push.
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Well played.
 
Michael Wade said:
Yeah, interestingly enough Guinan's son showed up in DS9 as a total grifter. His parentage is unrevealed in the episode, but in the background they were planning to use him and his mom more. Never got around to it because the episode wasn't that popular and whoopi was unavailable.

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Oh wow. I don't even remember this character. But I remember a Trek convention I went to as a kid and some guy described some of the new characters and stories that would be upcoming.

He mentioned Guinan's son would be a character on DS9. And then it never happened. He also said Scotty would visit DS9, and that never happened either.
 
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Tasty Tatty said:
Most of thpse alleged "problems" were very contextual situations that had a reason to be, even if we don't like it now. Back in the 60s, being a secretary or having an office job was the only thing many women were able to get if they wanted a job. I've seen many women complain that Uhura was "just" a secretary, but I'm sure many women feel represented by her because they saw themselves in that character, black or not.




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Being woke is not the same as supporting just causes for equality. The best messages are always subtle. Remember Measure of a Man: Guinan talks about how there is a danger with dehumanization because that's the first step to treat people like subhumans, which leads to slavery. She doesn't start lecturing Picard about how WHITEY slaved blacks. She could have meant blacks or jews or women or indigenous or other species in other universes. Wokeness doesn't do that, they have specific agendas to push.
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Yeah, secretary my ass. Uhura was fourth in the chain of command on the Enterprise.

Also, time to tell the Martin Luther King story again: https://www.npr.org/2011/01/17/132942461/Star-Treks-Uhura-Reflects-On-MLK-Encounter?t=1620290448979
 
Thomas Highway said:
Being mad about wokeness in Star Trek is just.... like... do you even know who Gene Roddenberry is?
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He was a war veteran, became a humanist, had his lot of stories to share and had his own harem. That's not very woke. He isn't like the [current year] writers who spend their days tweeting about Blumpf and capitalism while drinking their Starbucks coffee.
 
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