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Tasty Tatty said:
Funny how this is the pic they use to represent food synthesizers in MA:

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In Picard it's just a FlashForge Adventurer 3D printer with a couple of LEDs to make it "sci-fi".
 
Miller said:
In Picard it's just a FlashForge Adventurer 3D printer with a couple of LEDs to make it "sci-fi".
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I seriously have no idea why the fuck they would do that. It's like saying "Hey guys, lets make all the phasers look like US Army pistols that have been out of service for 200 years!"
 
ExceptionallyExceptional said:
I seriously have no idea why the fuck they would do that. It's like saying "Hey guys, lets make all the phasers look like US Army pistols that have been out of service for 200 years!"
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They just don't care. They have no interest in establishing a future aesthetic for Trek set after Nemesis. Just look at the uniforms in STD, they were grey for one scene in the season 3 finale and next season they're wearing another one.
The thing that pissed me off the most in Picard was the magic brass knuckles, it showed that the writers thought that fantasy and science-fiction were the same thing.
 
Tasty Tatty said:
I mentioned in another post before. There is no reason for Tilly to be fat because "fat" doesn't exist in their time, for someone her age. They have or are on the way to cure most diseases, so nothing that can make you this big would be a problem anymore. The only reason for her to be big is food and I think food isn't as available in starships during that time as it's in TNG.

Funny how this is the pic they use to represent food synthesizers in MA:

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I don't watch STD because I'm a heterosexual grown man, so I was sure this was a subtle Photoshop job where some cruel prankster had added extra chins to Lt. Commander Lane Bryant there.

But I checked and it's real :story:

So yeah, being fat is bad for you and probably wouldn't be tolerated in some kind of far future elite space military/exploration force like Starfleet (Dune, maybe, or the current US military), but we all know the real reason for Star Chonk is YASSSS KWEEN #HAES #THICCREPRESENTATION #PIZZASYSTERS4LYFE.

Or something.

Idk if this applies to men. Shatner and Doohan were pretty girthy in the movies, but that's because they were already old and Kirk's waistline and girdle were a source of ridicule rather than celebration. Similar thing with Riker and the way they unsuccessfully tried to hide his ballooning weight with a beard and usually filming him straight on rather than in profile in later seasons.

Casting IRL Miss Piggy is just a symptom tho. STD is being made in a cultural environment where the idea of objective standards of any kind - including what normal adults used to take for granted as professional behavior - is condemned as some kind of -phobia or -shaming, and definitely problematic and non-inclusive.

If there's a logical destination of woke identity politics (other than everyone killing each other over petty racial microaggressions or trooning out before the inevitable suicide), it's 400 lb porkers sweatily scooting about the bridge of the Enterprise on hover-wheelchairs, stuffing space carbs into their greasy, ravening maws while screaming at each other and the audience that they ARE TOO bold, beautiful, brave, genius space explorers, because they identify as such and claim to fucking love science.

Maybe Q had the right idea in Farpoint after all

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DyingStarsForever said:
I prefer the Tarkovsky version, but I strongly recommend the book. One of the best sci-fi novels I've read.
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Any of Stanislaw Lem's books are worth reading. Also the Pirx the Pilot movie listed above is based on one of Lem's short story collections. Solaris, of course, has been adapted many times, with the consensus the Tarkovsky one is best. Although I liked Soderbergh's as well, its pacing is glacial.
 
Sexual Chocolate said:
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Like I said, if all went woke, "society" would be full of cultists living like in "The Machine Stops". Fun would be banned because it's "problematic", and real life would be cancelled because it's "offensive". I don't think there'd be any space exploration because "it's male entitlement" or crazy BS like that.
 
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Quintex96 said:
Did you forget the episode where the prophets delete the entirety of the Dominions' reinforcements because Sisko asked them to?

As for the whole Sisko plot you mentioned, it's written into the show pretty late and is obviously not what the plot was meant to be much like what happened with Dukat.
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That proves his point. The Prophets are crap characters that do things for entirely arbitrary reasons. Still, I prefer them to BSG Remake Cylons. At least the Prophets don't act in total contradiction to their motivations.
 
horni said:
Sorry - I could not remember Burnham fighting Vulcans. Normally I would ask when did this happen, but I won't risk someone reminding me more scenes from Discovery.
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Apparently it took place in Sarek's mind? So there's a bit more of an excuse though I still hate it.
 
AnOminous said:
Solaris, of course, has been adapted many times, with the consensus the Tarkovsky one is best. Although I liked Soderbergh's as well, its pacing is glacial.
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While the various Solaris movies have been pretty good I don't think they've ever really captured the book. Two are love stories; Tarkovsky's is about illusion vs. reality, but the book itself is about science in a way that Science Fiction only rarely does.
 
I hear STD has that spore drive that works like folding space in Dune.

Did they explain how that tech is absent by the time of TOS?

Of course this is Current Year, so it shouldn't be a surprise if they didn't.
 
ToroidalBoat said:
I hear STD has that spore drive that works like folding space in Dune.

Did they explain how that tech is absent by the time of TOS?

Of course this is Current Year, so it shouldn't be a surprise if they didn't.
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There was only one pilot who could operate it and he was gay, since there are no gays in TOS then it couldn't exist there. So they jumped the entire ship into the super-woke future where the gay spore drive pilot would be welcomed so it entirely missed the TOS/TNG timeframes.
 
davids877 said:
There was only one pilot who could operate it and he was gay, since there are no gays in TOS then it couldn't exist there. So they jumped the entire ship into the super-woke future where the gay spore drive pilot would be welcomed so it entirely missed the TOS/TNG timeframes.
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Wokeness aside, ST: D should have taken place in the far future so it didn't fuck with canon and create all sorts of questions to annoy fans that are otherwise receptive to wokeness.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Still, I prefer them to BSG Remake Cylons.
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I like Tricia Helfer, but there's really no salvaging those guys.

They lost their clone factory while pursuing the Colonials and kept firing on them even though the inventors of Cylon resurrection were on said fleet. It's the classic Cobra Commander thing of sending four attack helicopters, a submarine and a tank to rob a bank of One Meeellion Dollars.
 
JamesFargo said:
I like Tricia Helfer, but there's really no salvaging those guys.

They lost their clone factory while pursuing the Colonials and kept firing on them even though the inventors of Cylon resurrection were on said fleet. It's the classic Cobra Commander thing of sending four attack helicopters, a submarine and a tank to rob a bank of One Meeellion Dollars.
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True, I like looking at Cylons, I don't like them as characters even when I ignore their pseudo-intellectual religion. Cylons acting completely contrary to their goals was revealed by season 2 when Starbuck found out that they were trying to create human-Cylon hybrids... after they nuked the 12 colonies. Cylons! You have sexy infiltrators for simps to fall in love with! You don't gotta nuke most of humanity to find out if hybrid children can exist.
 
Drag-on Knight 91873 said:
Wokeness aside, ST: D should have taken place in the far future so it didn't fuck with canon and create all sorts of questions to annoy fans that are otherwise receptive to wokeness.
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That would imply that the writing team needed to create a new universe, new rules, new storylines. Why doing that when you just can borrow from what better and more creative people already did and do basic shit that could put fanfickers to shame?
 
RomanesEuntDomus said:
And the way how Scotty looked was to my knowledge never made any kind of statement about something as toxic and idiotic as "health at all sizes".

STD cast a slightly chubby chick in a certain role and her inability to not stuff candy-apples dipped in lard down her bovine maw and guzzle it down with a healthy galon of pure corn syrup lead to her ballooning to gargantuan sizes. Unfortunately, STD has drank the kool-aid (or at least pretends to) and thus they can't tell her to stop gorging herself on this shit and instead have to dump messages about how there's health at all sizes, as they watch one of their main characters turning slowly into some lovecraftian kronenberg body horror blob of grease.
Just imagine how this chick must be wheezing for minutes whenever they have her jog a few meters for an action shot. Just imagine the smell.
The people subjugated to this horror thankfully are the ones pushing this bullshit... well them and the innocent stagehands.
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Captain, I'm diverting course to the Old Country Buffet Starbase, I'm detecting BBQ ribs!
 
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