Star Wars Expanded Universe Fans/Cultists - I HOPE YOU LIKE STAR WARS AUTISM

[ASoulMan]

I used to read through the EU stuff on Wookiepedia for the fun of it when I was younger, and actually liked some of the stuff (the Yuuzahn Vong have badass designs IMO). The biggest problem with it though is that it made the Star Wars Universe way too goddamn big, and there were a whole lot of aspects of it that contradicted not only events that occurred in the movies, but also other works as well.

Stinks that Thrawn won't likely be adapted in the sequel trilogy, but rebooting the franchise by making the EU non-canon has to be the best thing that's happened for Star Wars, and I can't wait to see how the new canon turns out.

 

[Meowthkip]

I know this is off topic, but I think this user alone could fill his own topic. You see his Godzilla Vs. Zilla video? Pure sperging right there.

Anyways, this whole "Fuck Disney" attitude these people have make me wonder what they'd think if say, the EU was killed off much earlier than this. Would they completely bitch and moan that Lucas tried to replace their vision with Jar Jar Binks and Podracing?

Is there any doubt?

 

[butt in trouble]

Spoiler: "WORST TRAILER EVER"

 

[Meowthkip]

Spoiler: "WORST TRAILER EVER"

This dude looks like an even fatter, hairier Amazing Atheist.

Also, I hear a dog.

EDIT: at 5:18 a little girl comes in and just waits patiently for the dude to finish. Before that you can see a small dog walk by in the background, but only its back end and tail.

 

[Slowboat to China]

EU fan here too, to a certain extent. I read the shit out of the Thrawn trilogy and Anderson's Jedi Academy trilogy when I was in grade school. I loved the expansion of the universe, filling in the gaps like what the fuck Kessel and spice were (though I thought Moruth Doole was trying too hard to be toad-alien rapist Peter Lorre), and adding more to bounty hunter culture (after passing out of my wanting-to-be-Doom-Guy phase, I spent a year or two wanting to be Talon Karrde). And Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina will forever be canon to me. So yes, I was disappointed that the EU was declared noncanon.

That being said, I understand that the whole thing was just getting too fucking unwieldy. After those two trilogies, I never again found an EU book I really liked. For starters, the authors had this weird obsession with tying every-bloody-thing in the universe to either Boba Fett or Han Solo. What I liked about the Thrawn/Jedi Academy trilogies was that they expanded the universe naturally and logically (who did design the freaking Death Star, anyway?), building on what the movies had already established and giving minor characters like Wedge room to grow. By the time you got to that weird Crystal Star book, its canon was growing back in on itself, like a messed-up toenail. It seemed as if they weren't allowed to invent new people or concepts any more.

So yes, a few EU books will always have a place on my shelf, and I'm sorry to know that we'll likely never see Thrawn onscreen. OTOH, I had no idea that the hardcore EU fans could be so ... spergy, so maybe it's a good thing not to encourage them too much. Also, considering the way things are going, Thrawn would've been played by Benedict Cumberbatch.

 

[Nom Anor]

The Republic didn't have an army, they had no choice but to use the clones. It was either that or let the Separatists steamroll over them. Conscription wasn't an option, it'd take too long to train enough soldiers to replace the clones. Besides, it's pretty unlikely that Palpatine gave them much choice in the matter.

Ok, so I did some research and I actually found out the Karen Traviss called people neo-Nazis if they supported the Jedi's use of the clone army. Jesus fucking Christ...that is a grade-A Tumblrite type of response.
http://www.karentraviss.com/page22/files/Is_it_true_you_hate_Jedi_.html


I take back what I've said earlier in the thread. I had no idea how much of a bitch Traviss was to her critics. Guess that's what I get for never really looking into her. Silly me. I still stand behind my personal preferences regarding what crappy Star Wars EU novel I rather read, but I'm not gonna try to defend Traviss anymore. She just practically begs for people to flame her.

 

[XYZpdq]

Traviss seems like she should pop up on the Internet Dumbass Radar more.

 

[DykesDykesChina]

Guys, has any of you ever read this clusterfuck of a story:

Spoiler

Can books be lolcows? If so, "Children of the Jedi" would be a candidate.

When I was around 18 years old, I was a huge Star Wars sperg. The Special Edition had just come out - this was my first contact with SW. While I didn't like all this esoteric Jedi mumbo jumbo in the movies, I was nonetheless swept away just because of the galactic size and epicness of it all. I turned to reading the EU novels...

...by pure chance, my first choice was "Children of the Jedi" by Glo... um, Barbara Hambly. Starting to read, I thought: "This is Star Wars???!!" The epicness of it all was drowned in... well, let's say: In a kind of confused kitschy fail syrup.

The story is horribly convoluted. Some guy named Ahuviya Harel, no, Drub McKumb, tries to assassinate Luke. Han and Leia go on a reconaissance mission to a planet called Belsavis and discover that some aristocratic lady had her repulsive son implanted with Force magitech gadgets so he can mind control droids. Luke on the other hand gets terribly hurt and trapped on YADS (Yet Another Death Star - or rather "Palpatines Eye", a Super Weapon Mega Evul Destroyer Ship) on which different non-human lifeforms have been brainwashed into thinking they are stormtroopers, and an evil AI controls everything and the mind of a hawt young Jedi chick called Callista has been uploaded to the memory banks of said AI. My brain hurts already.

Palpatines Eye has been programmed to destroy Belsavis because the Jedi hid their children there. (BTW I've always found it implausibel that Jedis are allowed to have hankypanky, I mean, aren't they in concept similar to monks?) Callista's mind has been able to stop the ship until now, but the evil AI is beginning to take over, and Luke and Callista must keep things from going boom. Sadly, they succeed, but the aristocrat and her bratty son escape, and DON'T FORGET TO BUY THE NEXT INSTALLMENT OF THIS EXCITING SAGA SOON COMING TO A BOOKSTORE NEAR YOU!!!

Defining fail moments:

* Luke and Callista having virtual hankypanky. Yeah.

* Someone saying something along the lines of: "Scientists have proven that one cannot change the circuitry of a droid, but in fact any nuts-and-bolts starport mechanic knows how to do this."
If any nuts-and-bolts mechanic can do this it is rather likely that the scientists would have heard about it, I'd say.

I decided not to be discouraged by this printed failfest and pluckily went on to read the Thrawn trilogy and "Shadows of the Empire", which, while not of substantial literary merit, at least capture some of Star War's spacetastic awesomesauce. "Children of the Jedi" makes them look like Faulkner in comparison, though.

 

[Nom Anor]

Guys, has any of you ever read this clusterfuck of a story:

Spoiler

Can books be lolcows? If so, "Children of the Jedi" would be a candidate.

When I was around 18 years old, I was a huge Star Wars sperg. The Special Edition had just come out - this was my first contact with SW. While I didn't like all this esoteric Jedi mumbo jumbo in the movies, I was nonetheless swept away just because of the galactic size and epicness of it all. I turned to reading the EU novels...

...by pure chance, my first choice was "Children of the Jedi" by Glo... um, Barbara Hambly. Starting to read, I thought: "This is Star Wars???!!" The epicness of it all was drowned in... well, let's say: In a kind of confused kitschy fail syrup.

The story is horribly convoluted. Some guy named Ahuviya Harel, no, Drub McKumb, tries to assassinate Luke. Han and Leia go on a reconaissance mission to a planet called Belsavis and discover that some aristocratic lady had her repulsive son implanted with Force magitech gadgets so he can mind control droids. Luke on the other hand gets terribly hurt and trapped on YADS (Yet Another Death Star - or rather "Palpatines Eye", a Super Weapon Mega Evul Destroyer Ship) on which different non-human lifeforms have been brainwashed into thinking they are stormtroopers, and an evil AI controls everything and the mind of a hawt young Jedi chick called Callista has been uploaded to the memory banks of said AI. My brain hurts already.

Palpatines Eye has been programmed to destroy Belsavis because the Jedi hid their children there. (BTW I've always found it implausibel that Jedis are allowed to have hankypanky, I mean, aren't they in concept similar to monks?) Callista's mind has been able to stop the ship until now, but the evil AI is beginning to take over, and Luke and Callista must keep things from going boom. Sadly, they succeed, but the aristocrat and her bratty son escape, and DON'T FORGET TO BUY THE NEXT INSTALLMENT OF THIS EXCITING SAGA SOON COMING TO A BOOKSTORE NEAR YOU!!!

Defining fail moments:

* Luke and Callista having virtual hankypanky. Yeah.

* Someone saying something along the lines of: "Scientists have proven that one cannot change the circuitry of a droid, but in fact any nuts-and-bolts starport mechanic knows how to do this."
If any nuts-and-bolts mechanic can do this it is rather likely that the scientists would have heard about it, I'd say.

I decided not to be discouraged by this printed failfest and pluckily went on to read the Thrawn trilogy and "Shadows of the Empire", which, while not of substantial literary merit, at least capture some of Star War's spacetastic awesomesauce. "Children of the Jedi" makes them look like Faulkner in comparison, though.

I was in middle school when I went through most of the Star Wars EU. When I got to Children of the Jedi, I had to take like a 1-3 month break from Star Wars novels because I was so discouraged at how utterly awful it was.

It's hated even among even the spergy hardcore EU fans.

 

[Meowthkip]

Ok, so I did some research and I actually found out the Karen Traviss called people neo-Nazis if they supported the Jedi's use of the clone army. Jesus fucking Christ...that is a grade-A Tumblrite type of response.
http://www.karentraviss.com/page22/files/Is_it_true_you_hate_Jedi_.html


I take back what I've said earlier in the thread. I had no idea how much of a bitch Traviss was to her critics. Guess that's what I get for never really looking into her. Silly me. I still stand behind my personal preferences regarding what crappy Star Wars EU novel I rather read, but I'm not gonna try to defend Traviss anymore. She just practically begs for people to flame her.

Well I uh... wow.

My stance on the clone army was basically that I would have accepted it if they explained in the movies that forming an army of not-cloned people was impossible. I don't recall that explanation being provided, but it's been a while since I watched the Star Wars prequels.

If you have to rely on the EU to fill in plot holes of that size, you're not making a very good movie.

 

[Abethedemon]

I kinda like how the Star Wars universe is shared in many regards, makes it feel more whole in my opinion. I know one Star Wars EU fan, really cool guy, not a neckbeard at all. I don't consume enough material about the universe to call myself a fan though.

 

[Jewelsmakerguy]

Honestly, while I'm not too keen about the idea of an expanded universe, it does at least help if you want to explain a side story or two. Or maybe the adventures of another character that takes place before, during or after the main one. The possibilities are endless.

The problem is two-fold here: The continuity of Star Wars is fucked beyond repair, and the fantards don't seem to realize this.

 

[Saney]

Ok, so I did some research and I actually found out the Karen Traviss called people neo-Nazis if they supported the Jedi's use of the clone army. Jesus fucking Christ...that is a grade-A Tumblrite type of response.
http://www.karentraviss.com/page22/files/Is_it_true_you_hate_Jedi_.html


I take back what I've said earlier in the thread. I had no idea how much of a bitch Traviss was to her critics. Guess that's what I get for never really looking into her. Silly me. I still stand behind my personal preferences regarding what crappy Star Wars EU novel I rather read, but I'm not gonna try to defend Traviss anymore. She just practically begs for people to flame her.

It's ridiculous exaggeration like that, and this:

Basically the whole series is an undressing of the cruelty(yes, cruelty) the clones faced from the Jedi and the Republic. We have Republic officers addressing clones as “clone”, ignoring their intelligence and rank, and even Jedi(like Quinlan Vos, for sure) mistreating and disrespecting their troops. Arligan Zey praises the troopers, but as one trooper puts it, it’s more like the way you brag about your puppy or how nice your car is, not how you talk about your friend or loved one. Of course, it’s very convenient and oh so not a slap in the face to Ms. Traviss how the clones don’t get in trouble for killing Krell in TCW, but that’s another debate.

I never really considered Anakin’s hypocrisy, though it did chafe to see him let Fives die like that. You’d think, for all he was previously hellbent on freeing his mother in and before AOTC, he’d have maybe, just maybe said, “Hey, guys, maybe we should treat our troops like, you know, human beings?” I’m also surprised and disappointed that the saintly Padmé Amidala has never once been shown to at least criticize the maltreatment of the clones. There is one senator in Republic Commando who tries to set up a veterans’ fund for clones, but as far as I know, Padmé has never done anything in any books or shows supporting the clones’ humanity. So the leaders of the Republic(not Palpatine, who’s a sick fuck anyways; I’m referring to the Senators and to the Jedi) didn’t really give two shits about the clones. They just wanted to be right.

That make me think we should have a thread about Fandalorians. Not to mention the fact that Traviss mentioned that she wanted to garrotte her critics and that she threw the term "Talifan" around a lot. Again, to describe her critics.

 

[Poor Choices]

All of you anti-EU fools deny the glory of Trioculus.

Spoiler

Disney needed to kill the whole EU - this way they can bring the good parts back if they/Filoni want to.

 

[Saney]

All of you anti-EU fools deny the glory of Trioculus.

Spoiler

Disney needed to kill the whole EU - this way they can bring the good parts back if they/Filoni want to.

...to my fellow grand moffs, and to the grand admirals, other officers, stormtroopers, bounty hunters, slavelords, and slaves, I bid you all Dark Greetings!

I don't think anyone's gonna miss that, it's very Tesch-esque.

 

[Giovanni]

"And so, at the cost of countless Imperial and Rebel lives, the chosen one redeemed himself, the vile Emperor was destroyed, and the galaxy was again at peace. Lol j/k the Emperor cloned himself, like a dozen times, and then Chewie gets squished by a moon and then there's like a dozen Sith all of a sudden"

This is why I shed no tears for the decimation of the EU. You can't have your universe's expanded material completely undo the entire struggle of the canon source, especially with a poorly-conceived ass-pull like that.

 

[exball]

Ok, so I did some research and I actually found out the Karen Traviss called people neo-Nazis if they supported the Jedi's use of the clone army. Jesus fucking Christ...that is a grade-A Tumblrite type of response.

Using an army of cloned people with no free will isn't exactly something good guys do. Just another one of the prequels poorly thought-out ideas.

 

[Bluce Wee]

I won't lie: I'm a big disappointed that I won't see the Scoundrels 2 that Zahn had hinted at. I thought it was a really refreshing Star Wars book: an adventure in that universe that didn't involve the Force and the fate of the galaxy. I don't believe the books were the epitome of literary genius. A huge part of my childhood, and something I go back to every few years when I'm looking for something quick and nostalgia-infused to read, but on the whole, they weren't that great. I thought the NJO was an abomination, Traitor aside, and then there were individual abortions like Courtship and The Crystal Star.

When I first heard the news, I would be lying if I said it didn't hurt a little. As I said, those books were a huge part of my childhood and responsible for me enjoying reading as I do. Part of me, though, thinks it might've been a good thing. I stopped following the books when I lost the thread of NJO and remember reading that Admiral Daala had been made Lord High-Mucka-Muck of whatever government the galaxy had after the Vong were beaten and thinking it was the dumbest thing ever: it's like Himmler getting elected president of West Germany. That was about when I realized I wasn't interested any longer in where the EU went from there.

 

[Nom Anor]

I won't lie: I'm a big disappointed that I won't see the Scoundrels 2 that Zahn had hinted at. I thought it was a really refreshing Star Wars book: didn't involve the Force and the fate of the galaxy. I don't believe the books were the epitome of literary genius. A huge part of my childhood, and something I go back to every few years when I'm looking for something quick and nostalgia-infused to read, but on the whole, they weren't that great. I thought the NJO was an abomination, Traitor aside, and then there were individual abortions like Courtship and The Crystal Star.

I was kinda holding out hope that they would keep publishing "Legends" canon books. I don't imagine they will for years and years, however.

If only the EU fandom had more people like you....

Unfortunately, this will probably never be the case. We're doomed to seeing fantards spamming videos like this:

 

[Saney]

I stopped following the books when I lost the thread of NJO and remember reading that Admiral Daala had been made Lord High-Mucka-Muck of whatever government the galaxy had after the Vong were beaten and thinking it was the dumbest thing ever: it's like Himmler getting elected president of West Germany.

You can blame that one on Traviss too. She shows up, destroys Jacen's fleet with her flotilla of obsolete ships despite the fact that she's an incompetent mess of a commander, has tea with Boba Fett, who she's all buddy-buddy with for some reason, they bash the Jedi some more and everyone, including Pellaeon talks about how awesome she is. They kind of realised in the sequel series how dumb an idea it was, and had Han mention that the only reason he supported her was because he'd gone temporarily insane with grief.