Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Ewan McGregor]

But it wasn't slice of life, the way the EU fans who came in after ANH wanted it. ANH was more of an Odyssean epic, whereas Andor is more along the lines of "what does the average Joe who has nothing to do with Skywalker do?"

Since you keep bringing up EU fans and you quite rudely disregarded me saying I'm an EU fan and I'm not watching the god damn thing, I feel like i'd illustrate the slight differences between Something like Andor and something like, say, Shadows of the Empire.

Now it's been years since I read SotE, but what it was was a novel where highly machiavellian Prince Xizor antagonised Vader to gain favour under Palpatine's regime and Palpatine exploited the situation to get the edge out of Vader and torture him for giggles.

The characters were written in a wholesome way, in a way that feels like Star Wars. I have already sperged about "tone" elsewhere. Palpatine is closer to his Return of the Jedi incarnation than his prequel incarnation for obvious reasons. Xizor is a genius mastermind. Vader is humanised heaps. It is CAMPY but it is not ridiculous. Good fun and intrigue.

I'm keeping this vague on purpose so that even in vague terms you can see there is a difference.

Andor is a show that wants to be another show, that is Game of Thrones, and carry all of its sins with that. There is hardly a nuance, since it's official policy that Imperial characters must never be portrayed in a nuanced way unless they fully defect - Strangely enough as opposed to Sith.

Everything is gritty, ugly, full of cold lens filters. Everyone is miserable and super serious, lest anybody mises the GRAVE atmosphere and the CUTTING EDGE social commentary. The imperials are all boorish, obnoxious and incompetent clowns that spend the day going on and on about boring schemes, plots and conspiracies that won't amount to nothing nor mean anything apart from a few intense conversations of the "darkness is coming" variety.

The heroes are all super serious, grumpy, miserable. They cannot afford joy, because OUR DEMOCRACY IS AT RISK. They went from the stupid Joss Whedon/Capeshit quips to no quips without ever trying the Star Wars patented brand of quip.

From a cinematic point of view it's a mess, it dispenses with the linear narrative that was a core storytelling feature of anything star wars. Everything feels cheap, there are no aliens for some reason or very few aliens. The technology seems to be oddly similar to ours except when they need to show off. There is no real immersion. It feels as much as Star Wars as Liz Fong Jones feels like a woman.

It lacks soul, it lacks funky, it lacks fucking rhythm and blues. I should be feeling like disco music is about to start playing at any given moment, if you get what I mean.

I have never, ever, had this experience with the "Legends" EU. Some books were more dark, more disturbing, but none I can remember took me out that universe in such an effective manner. Daala could have blown up half the galaxy by accident with her Lainey Molnar style glasses of wine and her "I'm a totally competent leader, guiz" Kathleen Kennedy vibe in some of the silliest Bantham House books and I'll have this before the silliest Disney product.

The Yuuhzang Vong could kill Chewbacca and torture Han Solo to madness and shit all over Coruscant with their alien feng shui shit and I still bought it up -Well, kinda-. The Luceno political intrigues of the old republic are in a Galaxy far, far away from anything Disney can come up with. Because they got it. They got it.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I understand that Andor is meant to be "It's Game of Thrones, but it's Star Wars" in the same way the Disney films had a "It's Guardians of the Galaxy, but it's Star Wars" (failed) vibe and it pisses me off to no end.

Bitch, give me Star Wars, and if you cannot Star Wars, don't Star Wars at all.

Then don't watch their shit. There's tons of good EU SW content before the Disney buyout for you to bury your head in. Go play some games, buy some books, watch the old movies and the 2003 Clone Wars cartoon. Again, the worst thing you can do to an enemy is ignore it.

 

[Miller]

They did, but Andor really tapped into things that are not noticed by movie fans. Things like say, the Stormtroopers NOT being the standard infantry units of the Empire, or how the TIE fighters scare the shit out of the people on the ground.

What about the non-humans? Does Andor show aliens or just flesh-like circumcised penis like in the Disney Trilogy?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

What about the non-humans? Does Andor show aliens or just flesh-like circumcised penis like in the Disney Trilogy?

Andor focused more on humans. Maybe they're a little short on the budget for the costume department.

 

[HandsomeDan]

While Andor does focus on Humans (which I like) the aliens they do have all appear to be the Neil Scanlin monstrocities and freaks. I have not seen one OT alien in the show which is really my only complaint. At least Mando did a good job of heavily featuring the traditional OT aliens.

 

[Creep3r]

While Andor does focus on Humans (which I like) the aliens they do have all appear to be the Neil Scanlin monstrocities and freaks. I have not seen one OT alien in the show which is really my only complaint. At least Mando did a good job of heavily featuring the traditional OT aliens.

I checked a production listing for the show and all the costumes used for it are strictly from TFA, TLJ and Plan IX, not a single SW alien costume in sight (minus a lone gigorian which are so generalized and distant from their former depiction they might as well be something else) which is ironic since this is supposed to be set in the past before all those abominations existed. But its not surprising since production for this show began way back when Iger was still in charge and most SW-centered costumes didn't exist yet or were being used on Furloni's shows. Hence why the production for it looks better than Book of Bob and Kenobi The Sith Sister Show. It'll be interesting to see how much it changes when Bob Cheapskate gets through with it after all the recent blunders he's been going through by having Disney continuously shoot itself in the foot again and again.

Also remember to pour one out for our dearly lost @Cactuar King, another account victim of Keffals' troony cyber attacks.

 

[Boston Brand]

Ten years of Disney Wars, you know the oddest thing?

Disney originally bought it so it and Marvel could be Disney franchises aim at young boys the same way Disney princesses were for young girls. Actually solid marketing synergy.

They even scrapped plans around John Carter and Tron because they got Star Wars - why build up these new franchises when we can buy one premade?

And ten years later it crashed and burned because somewhere along th3 way, Disney decided to try retooling Star Wars to be aimed at young girls instead of boys, and ended up losing them both.

Now they're doing the same with the MCU.

They bought both to expand the core Disney audience... and ended up killing them by trying to make them more suitable for the princess musical demographic.

 

[Screamer_2]

And ten years later it crashed and burned because somewhere along th3 way, Disney decided to try retooling Star Wars to be aimed at young girls instead of boys, and ended up losing them both.

Isn't this a core mistake that happens over and over again?

Once they have the boys, they sit there and go, "why not the girls" and just assume the boys are already captured.

Isn't that what happened with He-man?

Then in the current era add on top of it all the gender theory non-sense.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

I checked a production listing for the show and all the costumes used for it are strictly from TFA, TLJ and Plan IX, not a single SW alien costume in sight (minus a lone gigorian which are so generalized and distant from their former depiction they might as well be something else) which is ironic since this is supposed to be set in the past before all those abominations existed. But its not surprising since production for this show began way back when Iger was still in charge and most SW-centered costumes didn't exist yet or were being used on Furloni's shows. Hence why the production for it looks better than Book of Bob and Kenobi The Sith Sister Show. It'll be interesting to see how much it changes when Bob Cheapskate gets through with it after all the recent blunders he's been going through by having Disney continuously shoot itself in the foot again and again.

Also remember to pour one out for our dearly lost @Cactuar King, another account victim of Keffals' troony cyber attacks.

How hard is it for ILM to create some good looking CGI aliens today? They could do that 20 years ago why isn't that an option?

 

[Sneed F91]

Not SW related, but Doomcuck got cyberbullied by the Indiana Jones 5 director on twitter...or something. I will say that getting triggered by Doomcuck to the point of mentioning him at all by name makes James Mangold look like a massive pussy, so I'm sad to say Doomcuck wins this time.

How hard is it for ILM to create some good looking CGI aliens today? They could do that 20 years ago why isn't that an option?

They could have, but they didn't want to. In order to stick it to the prequels and George Lucas' attempt to innovate computer visual effects like the childhood ruining asshole that he is, Disney has gone out of their way to highlight the use of "real sets" and "practical effects" as a marketing point for their live action projects since TFA.

Too bad it was mostly untrue. The sequels use a shit ton of CGI like any capeshit movie coming out today and the practical effects only really exist to draw attention to themselves as practical, instead of creating memorable characters. In terms of puppets and costumes they're not doing anything that the guys making the OT back in the 80s couldn't have done, even though special effects tech has evolved since then.

Ironically the PT ended up using way more practical effects than the OT combined and TFA alone had more CGI than TPM.

 

[Screamer_2]

They could have, but they didn't want to. In order to stick it to the prequels and George Lucas' attempt to innovate computer visual effects like the childhood ruining asshole that he is, Disney has gone out of their way to highlight the use of "real sets" and "practical effects" as a marketing point for their live action projects since TFA.

Too bad it was mostly untrue. The sequels use a shit ton of CGI like any capeshit movie coming out today and the practical effects only really exist to draw attention to themselves as practical, instead of creating memorable characters. In terms of puppets and costumes they're not doing anything that the guys making the OT back in the 80s couldn't have done, even though special effects tech has evolved since then.

Ironically the PT ended up using way more practical effects than the OT combined and TFA alone had more CGI than TPM.

IIRC, TPM had more models than the entire OT and each subsequent film had more than the one before it.

It was interesting, I visited ILM before TFA came out and I asked about the practical work and was basically laughed at, "there are no models being used on this." I had read all the "practical" nonsense. ILM had sold off their model shot. Used them occasionally, like the inside of an office miniature for Pacific Rim.

The lack of Aliens will be purely down to money. Too expensive to add CGI ones, or to even create masks. Which of course is ironic seeing the originals often just used off-the-shelf creature masks, things made for other projects to fill out the world. I also suspect the mentality of, "reflect the world we live in" means they focus on race more than aliens.

What bugs me is the lack of familiar looking aliens. I'd much rather we see a lot of the same alien races over and over again. Than occasionally but most of the time we see something different and new.

 

[Sneed F91]

It was interesting, I visited ILM before TFA came out and I asked about the practical work and was basically laughed at, "there are no models being used on this." I had read all the "practical" nonsense.

Yep, ILM hasn't had a dedicated model shop in years because nobody was using model miniatures anymore.
How did you even get into ILM anyways?

The lack of Aliens will be purely down to money. Too expensive to add CGI ones, or to even create masks.

In regard to the cheap as hell D+ shows? Sure, but the films had no excuse.

I also suspect the mentality of, "reflect the world we live in" means they focus on race more than aliens.

Correct. They were obsessed with IRL "diversity" through race and gender in the fictional science fantasy world over actual diversity through different alien species. I also believe they didn't want to end up with the media calling the aliens "racist" like they did with the prequels.

 

[Screamer_2]

How did you even get into ILM anyways?

I was living in the States, a friend of a friend worked at ILM. Somehow it came up that they'd told her if she ever wanted a tour. I pounced on the opportunity and made sure we went. She didn't give a shit.

It was cool, but it wasn't access to anything being worked on. It's like, "here's the Lobby, here's the cinema they screen stuff next to it. Then you walk around corridors and there are props and matte paintings.



I hope this pic doesn't dox me lol

Trying to find a shit one I would never post anywhere. Although I think my NDA says I can't.

So yeah, walked around looking at stuff, then had lunch there in the food court. Is that an American thing? There was a full on proper food court with different venders in the building. Just for the people that work in the building.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

So yeah, walked around looking at stuff, then had lunch there in the food court. Is that an American thing? There was a full on proper food court with different venders in the building. Just for the people that work in the building.

Depending on the company, yes.

 

[Godzilla@1989]

It’s been ten years since the Disney buyout, but we still have the real six Star Wars films.

The Ewoks and Jar Jar are still more relevant to the franchise and cultural discussion than Mary Rey Sue and Columbine Asshole.

 

[Sneed F91]

It’s been ten years since the Disney buyout, but we still have the real six Star Wars films.

The Ewoks and Jar Jar are still more relevant to the franchise and cultural discussion than Mary Rey Sue and Columbine Asshole.

There was one point in time where the Ewoks were considered the worst thing about these movies.
There was also a point in time where Jar Jar was considered the worst thing about these movies.
Really puts everything into perspective.

 

[Adamska]

It’s been ten years since the Disney buyout, but we still have the real six Star Wars films.

The Ewoks and Jar Jar are still more relevant to the franchise and cultural discussion than Mary Rey Sue and Columbine Asshole.

The Ewoks are also more relevant than Ken Penders 2.0's Shaak Ti recolor too. They did a thing to save the galaxy.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

The Ewoks are also more relevant than Ken Penders 2.0's Shaak Ti recolor too. They did a thing to save the galaxy.

Something that a lot of fans wish to forget.

I mean, how threatening are your bad guys when they get foiled by fucking teddy bears? It makes the rebels look like pussies for struggling in their fight against the Empire for two movies straight when fucking stone-age teddy bears can make fools of them like it's nothing.

 

[Involuntary Celebrity]

Ewoks are fucking terrifying imo. It's still the empire's fault for thinking green uniforms constituted jungle equipment but I wouldn't mess with them either way.

Plus everyone always overlooks that they had intel from the Russians and logistic support from China

 

[XYZpdq Jr.]

Yeah they're people eating drop bears with creepy beady eyes and fangs and claws
And they have magic Charlie powers against colonial invaders