Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

The main thing that drives me insane is:
Her intended death was fucking Kino.
Rebels was a retarded series with muslim space aladin, but Annakin's former padawan facing down Darth Vader to buy time for the founders of the Rebellion to escape is bad ass on so many levels.
It not only shows just how far Darth Vader has gone, literally killing a part of his former life as a jedi, and we're shown Vader hunting down one of the approximately 12 billion Jedi who survived (the supposed) Order 66.
She dies nobly, her death having meaning.
And it would cast absolutely zero shade on her skills of a Jedi that she loses to Vader.
It was an excellent character death, a good way to end a character arc, and removes any linger questions about her fate during the Rebellion.


But Furlonli needed to goon to orange jailbait puss so he forced the space-time anus into star wars.
It's honestly interesting that Filoni has ruined both of the decent character deaths he had in Rebels with Clone Wars characters.

Ahsoka had a pretty great death but lol time travel.

Darth Maul being killed by Obi-Wan and realizing his revenge quest was meaningless was good, but Filoni really wants to make another spinoff with Maul, and not only that but tried to set him up as this main villain for a hypothetical Solo sequel.
 
Darth Maul being killed by Obi-Wan and realizing his revenge quest was meaningless was good, but Filoni really wants to make another spinoff with Maul, and not only that but tried to set him up as this main villain for a hypothetical Solo sequel.
From what I'm aware of Maul in Solo was actually a set up for the Obi Wan Kenobi movie which was supposed to take place around the same time in the Star Wars universe and was supposed to be the next release I believe but Solo flopped so hard they pushed the movie back and eventually reworked it into a series. Apparently Dave Filoni had a bitch fit behind the scenes about the fact that Maul's death was already in Rebels and whined to Kathleen to get Maul out of the script NOW! NOW! NOW! At least that's the story I've heard slung around out there.
 
They are the Continental Army, the Reds, the Viet Cong, Haganah, the Popular Front, the Maccabees, every single revolutionary movement in history.
That makes zero fucking sense. Some of those rebels fight for the sake of private property and religion, others try to do away with private property and religion.

The Alliance fought for the sake of the senatorial aristocracy and the established Jedi religion, hence why they deferred authority to senatorial aristocrats like Leia and Mon Mothma, and they kept their belief in the Force and the Jedi even though most Jedi were already dead.

Trying to make them into ANTIFA-style rebels makes zero fucking sense, considering who they fought for, what they represented, and who fucking led them.

The Empire represents every single tyranny in history. From the Romans to a left-leaning perception of America.
That makes more sense; although technically, the Empire wasn't a tyranny until ANH, when they finally did away with the Senate and enforced order with bayonet rule alone.

Prior to that, they were an electoral monarchy/senatorial democracy, but the Emperor had the majority of senatorial votes on his side. Ironically enough, they had more variety in religion, what with some believing in the Force and others openly doubting it. So everything the Emperor was doing had Senate support, since his supporters just outvoted Rebel senators. The Empire could've remained a democracy with a Senate, and the Emperor would still be getting his way 99% of the time, because the Senate majority was on his side.

In fact, it was actually kind of politically risky for the Emperor to get rid of the Senate and explode Alderaan, when it would've been more prudent to keep using his senate majority to stamp out voices of dissent, then he can just blockade Alderaan the way the Trade Federation blockaded Naboo. The Emperor could've ruled forever as the enforcer of Senate democracy, and he'd still get his way, because most of the Senate just plain agreed with him.

There's a reason why the Rebellion was hiding out in an icy shithole like Hoth, instead of some densely-populated world held by Rebel loyalists. Most of the people either didn't care about the Empire or openly supported them, and only a tiny fraction bothered to rebel.
 
Tankies and Redditors seem to be very much enjoying Andor.

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Tankies and Redditors seem to be very much enjoying Andor.
Well, suffice to say "I called it." Andor is Star Wars for intellectual leftists and ANTIFA-types.

The only problem is, they bolted their violent revolution story onto a story that has a "happily ever after", which violent revolutions typically don't have. I mean, just look at the revolutions in France, Spain, Cambodia and China.

The American Revolution only had a happy ending because France and Spain tapped in for the Americans, and the Americans already had working colonial governments, so they just transferred power from the English crown to those local powers. You can't say the same thing for many Tankie revolutions that ended in a bloodbath.
 
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That makes zero fucking sense. Some of those rebels fight for the sake of private property and religion, others try to do away with private property and religion.

The Alliance fought for the sake of the senatorial aristocracy and the established Jedi religion, hence why they deferred authority to senatorial aristocrats like Leia and Mon Mothma, and they kept their belief in the Force and the Jedi even though most Jedi were already dead.
The underlying concept of the Rebellion is freedom. Freedom is a pure idea. It is why both conservatives and progressives can see themselves in the role of the Rebellion. That there is an unnatural force constraining people and it needs to be rejected.

To bring it back to the real world, both America and Vietnam were born out of independence movements from colonial powers. The ideologies of the movements were different, but at the core, they shared a desire to decide their own future as independent countries.

The Rebel Alliance is at all times a restoration of a Republic, the development of a new government system, the reestablishment of an ancient religion and a creation of a religious movement, an end to slavery and genocides, an overthrown of corrupt governments and corporations, an advancement of private enterprise and workers’ rights, and a chance to allow people to choose their own destiny.

Luke’s story is a heroic monomyth. The Rebel Alliance is a political monomyth.
 
The underlying concept of the Rebellion is freedom. Freedom is a pure idea. It is why both conservatives and progressives can see themselves in the role of the Rebellion. That there is an unnatural force constraining people and it needs to be rejected.
Freedom is nebulous at best, and it can be defined on different sides. I mean, someone who thinks the Senate was full of corrupt assholes would see the Empire as freedom, and someone who sees the Empire as oppressive would define the Rebellion as freedom. Freedom can pretty much go either way.

Also, no. The true thing powering the Rebellion is its adherence to the old ways of the Senatorial Aristocracy and the Jedi Order, not just a nebulous idea of "Freedom". They believe that giving power back to the Senate would ensure freedom, and that the Jedi would be the guardians of it. They have a well-defined version of "freedom" that people like Count Dooku would see as oppressive.

To bring it back to the real world, both America and Vietnam were born out of independence movements from colonial powers. The ideologies of the movements were different, but at the core, they shared a desire to decide their own future as independent countries.
False. The North Vietnamese Communists were even more tyrannical than the British were, and they had no problems oppressing fellow Vietnamese to get the edge on the French, South Vietnam, or the Americans. Trying to equate the Sons of Liberty with the Vietcong betrays an understanding of history that would make fifth-graders look like history professors.

There is a reason why modern Vietnam is trying to run away from its Communist predecessors and trying to become a capitalist nation.

The Rebel Alliance is at all times a restoration of a Republic, the development of a new government system, the reestablishment of an ancient religion and a creation of a religious movement, an end to slavery and genocides, an overthrown of corrupt governments and corporations, an advancement of private enterprise and workers’ rights, and a chance to allow people to choose their own destiny.
False. It is called the "Alliance to Restore the Republic" for a reason. It is not the development of any new government system. As far as they're concerned, the Republic in the old days worked, so let's bring that back and remove the Empire. It's literally in their fucking name.

They're not making anything new, they're restoring something old.

Luke’s story is a heroic monomyth. The Rebel Alliance is a political monomyth.
Yes for Luke; no for the Alliance. If you try to connect the Alliance to the French and Communist revolutionaries, that would be a betrayal of what they fought for. Especially since the Alliance was big on private property and restoring the Senatorial Aristocracy and Jedi Religion to power, whereas the French and Communist Revolutions tried to downsize both the religious and the aristocratic elements of society.
 
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Well, suffice to say "I called it." Andor is Star Wars for intellectual leftists and ANTIFA-types.

The only problem is, they bolted their violent revolution story onto a story that has a "happily ever after", which violent revolutions typically don't have. I mean, just look at the revolutions in France, Spain, Cambodia and China.

The American Revolution only had a happy ending because France and Spain tapped in for the Americans, and the Americans already had working colonial governments, so they just transferred power from the English crown to those local powers. You can't say the same thing for many Tankie revolutions that ended in a bloodbath.
I could be wrong because I haven't actually watched Andor but it seems like a good chunk of the shows messaging is about the complexities of revolution and how a good chunk of the time said revolutionaires become the thing they hate.

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I could be wrong because I haven't actually watched Andor but it seems like a good chunk of the shows messaging is about the complexities of revolution and how a good chunk of the time said revolutionaires become the thing they hate.

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Not quite. The show practically says it's OK to have someone like Luthen who makes moral sacrifices so long as it's against the fascists. The more tidy Alliance Council are portrayed as aloof revolutionaries who don't know the true meaning of sacrifice. They even found a way to make Bail Organa look bad because he bad-mouths Luthen.
 
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It's honestly interesting that Filoni has ruined both of the decent character deaths he had in Rebels with Clone Wars characters.

Ahsoka had a pretty great death but lol time travel.

Darth Maul being killed by Obi-Wan and realizing his revenge quest was meaningless was good, but Filoni really wants to make another spinoff with Maul, and not only that but tried to set him up as this main villain for a hypothetical Solo sequel.
it was actually really good, too good for that really meh show
i feel bad for witwer because he is an honest fan from how he talks about star wars
 
it was actually really good, too good for that really meh show
i feel bad for witwer because he is an honest fan from how he talks about star wars
He also does a great rendition of Maul, makes him sound exactly the right level of unhinged and violent. His rendition of Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter is great for good reason.
 
I saw that reddit thread the other day. I considered this to be a very clear call to action
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These people really don't understand how one dimensional their view is. The revelation of Andor is supposed to be
"in order to fight true evil you have to compromise on your moral standards to get the good outcome because pure morals can't do it"
And what they just can't wrap their head around is the fact that that's exactly how the empire (and all IRL dictatorships) justifies its own existence. Palpatine literally says it "for safer and securer society!"

Everything israel is doing in palestine is justified by that same logic. They can't fight the evil hamas while worrying about civilian casualties, so they've stopped trying.

It's not like conservatives aren't guilty of this sometimes as well, but constantly these days leftists will acknowledge the fighting fire with fire paradox, and then conclude "and that's why my side is right and justified in doing anything!!!"
 
it was actually really good, too good for that really meh show
i feel bad for witwer because he is an honest fan from how he talks about star wars
If Sam Witwer were a real fan he'd refuse to portray the cucked Darth Maul he's been hyping up and push for a more proper Darth Maul or nothing. His Shadow Hunter reading is the only time I liked him as Maul because he did a good job and had good material to work with.
 
These people really don't understand how one dimensional their view is. The revelation of Andor is supposed to be
"in order to fight true evil you have to compromise on your moral standards to get the good outcome because pure morals can't do it"
And what they just can't wrap their head around is the fact that that's exactly how the empire (and all IRL dictatorships) justifies its own existence. Palpatine literally says it "for safer and securer society!"
They're too blinded by their hate of fascism, that they have become the very thing they swore to destroy. They have the Empire mimic the Wannsee Conference with that first Krennic scene in that mountain retreat with Dedra and Space Qyburn, when in reality, the people who attended that conference in real life would agree with Luthen in that you need to put aside conventional morality in order to create a better world for tomorrow.

Everything israel is doing in palestine is justified by that same logic. They can't fight the evil hamas while worrying about civilian casualties, so they've stopped trying.
Like I said before, you can justify the actions of Vader, Tarkin, and Palpatine, the grand triumvirate of the Empire, with the very same principle. Vader and Tarkin want to save lives and end conflict and chaos. Palpatine wants a peaceful galaxy. Those ends are good, but the means they choose to pursue those ends are evil. That is why the Empire is evil, and why the old Alliance was good, because unlike the Empire, the Alliance sought to do good things through good, ethical means.

Now? Both sides use evil means for what they tell everyone are good ends, except at least Palpatine sold his soul for the sake of stability; the new Rebels sold their soul for the sake of spite. It now makes perfect sense that the New Republic is a complete joke; a lawless, inept cause that Krennic warned about. The Rebellion put too much if their energy on getting rid of the Empire, to the point where everything else became an afterthought.

At this point, if this is the modern Rebel Alliance, let the Empire crush their skulls with a boot to the face. Hell, the Sequels practically did that for us, with a remnant of the Empire kicking the shit out of the Alliance's New Republic.
 
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The lesbian witches and Ki-Adi Mundi from the newly awful reference book The Acolyte: The Visual Guide. I found these online.
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Oh wow they were retarded enough to waste money on this. I rather hope this book came out BEFORE the show flopped.

Actually correct that; I hope it came out after. Just because that makes this decision even funnier.
 
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"Belt with hidden paint tubes so she can paint if she has a sudden inspiration"
Jesus fucking christ, did they ask some peopel to come up with the most obnoxious eat-pray-love caricatures?
 
"Belt with hidden paint tubes so she can paint if she has a sudden inspiration"
Jesus fucking christ, did they ask some peopel to come up with the most obnoxious eat-pray-love caricatures?
Another Disney product skinwalking something good and failing. The pre-Disney Star Wars visual guides for both characters and ships & vehicles were all wonderful.
 
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