Starfield - Bethesda's new space IP: will probably be full of fun and easily trackable bugs

[Epoch]

Wrong.

I figured you were trying to pull a sleight of hand with DLAA, in which case the right image is much blurrier than the left and looks like TAA on a good day, this is not a cope response I promise

 

[The Ugly One]

I figured you were trying to pull a sleight of hand with DLAA, in which case the right image is much blurrier than the left and looks like TAA on a good day, this is not a cope response I promise

What are you talking about, are you saying you knew it was the right one but said it was the left one?

 

[Epoch]

what are you talking about

DLAA upscales from native res to get fake super sampling. The left image you showed has the sharpness that would result from that and it looks like a sharpening filter applied. The right image is fuzzy and looks like what TAA looks like regularly. I figured the right image being the DLSS one would be too obvious and you were trying to pull a trick with your 'that's not all they do' line referring to DLAA, which is why I figured you would compare DLAA to TAA, which will always look better despite still having ghosting.

This is very autistic

 

[The Ugly One]

DLAA upscales from native res to get fake super sampling. The left image you showed has the sharpness that would result from that and it looks like a sharpening filter applied. The right image is fuzzy and looks like what TAA looks like regularly. I figured the right image being the DLSS one would be too obvious and you were trying to pull a trick with your 'that's not all they do' line referring to DLAA, which is why I figured you would compare DLAA to TAA, which will always look better despite still having ghosting.

So does DLAA make the image sharper, or blurrier? Can't be both. You said it just blurs the image, but now it sounds like you're saying it doesn't do that. Really hard to follow here.

 

[Hiphopopotamus]

I looked up the ending.
They really just shit you out into NG+ with a cutscene almost exactly like No Man's Sky's ending when you reached the core.
Also it takes away all your shit.
lol, lmao even

Go on Dragonborn Starborn! Play the very boring railroaded story with no alternative endings again!

 

[Epoch]

So does DLAA make the image sharper, or blurrier? Can't be both. You said it just blurs the image, but now it sounds like you're saying it doesn't do that. Really hard to follow here.

DLAA is better than TAA, but not as good as real super sampling. Using DLSS regularly to upscale from lower res is blurrier, its gotten sharper over time but my autistic ass can still see the blur and motion artifacts. It only has so much data to work from and when it loses data from previous frames to use it reverts to a blurry upscale of the actual resolution its working from, you can see this when things are moving.

Using DLSS at native res to generate 'fake' super sampling is called DLAA (Deep learning anti aliasing), it looks better than TAA because its actually filling in detail (although still fake) with something instead of accumulating previous frames. Because its still a temporal technique it still has blurring in motion and ghosting artifacts (when previous frame data is used but is bad, giving you streaks or trails), but because you are not upscaling from lower res, when you have motion that it can't resolve it only reverts to your native res instead of sub native, meaning its less blurry than upscaling, and you don't get blurred frames that TAA gives you. You can try the FSR equivalent in Starfield by setting upscaling to FSR then setting resolution scale to 100%.

Apologies if I'm not clear, I need sleep.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

I looked up the ending.
They really just shit you out into NG+ with a cutscene almost exactly like No Man's Sky's ending when you reached the core.
Also it takes away all your shit.
lol, lmao even
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Go on Dragonborn Starborn! Play the very boring railroaded story with no alternative endings again!

wow. i would've preferred they just went back to going to credits than this shit.

 

[The Backwards Man]

I am annoyed by it too, but the choice is pretty much to either tolerate wokeness or sticking to indie games or games made outside whiteoid territories.

Or, hear me out with this one: There isn't a single new game worth playing, so you could just avoid playing new games entirely.

 

[Swingletonthesimpleton]

Or, hear me out with this one: There isn't a single new game worth playing, so you could just avoid playing new games entirely.

Or wait for modders to remove said wokeness instead of giving up at the first sign of negros and other modern bullshit. You'll always hear about em because the trannies will throw a shit fit anytime they get made

 

[Anon88]

I looked up the ending.
They really just shit you out into NG+ with a cutscene almost exactly like No Man's Sky's ending when you reached the core.
Also it takes away all your shit.
lol, lmao even
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Go on Dragonborn Starborn! Play the very boring railroaded story with no alternative endings again!

HAHAHA they're actually calling you the starborn. I thought that people were just saying that as a joke because it sounded like dragonborn but it's what the game actually went with. What a terrible idea.

 

[Would]

You're asking the impossible from Bethesda because you can shoot in zero-g environments, but not under water. That's all new animations and an entirely new system you're asking for.

Bethesda's engine doesn't calculate water realistically, they just put a flag that you're "underwater" so the correct animations play.

In FO4 there's a thicket excavation site that you're tasked with assisting in draining by plugging 3 pipes, yet if you go underwater into the excavation site where raiders will set up shop in the future, your character will stop doing his swimming animations and start walking/running/jumping/shooting like normal, because some dev forgot to mark the area accordingly.

There is no underwater physics system, there is no zero-g environments either. It's all tricks and smoke because it's all this badly coded engine can do. Beth's physics are a tier above 2003-era Havok.

 

[Sithis]

What confuses me about the debate about wokeness in Starfield is that EVERY TRIPLE A GAME MADE IN THE WEST has been woke for 5 years or so, they didn't include that last minute. Bg3 is woke, and I actually like that game and it is pretty well written.
They all have troons, everyone is bi, and racial diversity is stronger than in San Francisco or London.
That is simply the way things will be for a while, the decision was not made by the consumer, it was made by developers, journalists and investment fonds.

I am annoyed by it too, but the choice is pretty much to either tolerate wokeness or sticking to indie games or games made outside whiteoid territories.

Its standard mediajew tactics - if they make it seem that there is some huge controversy about wokeshit in the game, they can then claim that any and all criticism of it was ackshually someone just being anti-woke and therefore dumb, so people will begin to automatically dismiss criticism as being related to wokeshit and not dogshit writing and lazy design.

 

[Zero0]

Cool

 

[David Brown]

Ayy whyte boi. *sniff sniff* I smell summin good... *sniff sniff* *licks lips* u got sum fry chicken witchu?

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

Is there any incentive to go into NG+, rather than continue going around to different procedurally generated planets and doing stuff there? I don't really understand why they would implement it and go so far as to tie it into the story, when it doesn't seem like jumping into NG+ unlocks anything other than having a character with a bunch of levels (but no gear) at the starting zones. The game doesn't level-scale, right? So I'd assume NG+ doesn't make everything harder as a challenge for the next run. So why not just make a new character or keep the old game and keep exploring different high-level planets?

 

[Epoch]

Is there any incentive to go into NG+, rather than continue going around to different procedurally generated planets and doing stuff there? I don't really understand why they would implement it and go so far as to tie it into the story, when it doesn't seem like jumping into NG+ unlocks anything other than having a character with a bunch of levels (but no gear) at the starting zones. The game doesn't level-scale, right? So I'd assume NG+ doesn't make everything harder as a challenge for the next run. So why not just make a new character or keep the old game and keep exploring different high-level planets?

You keep your levels and unlocked perks, and get (probably) the best ship in the game and some very good armour. If you are minmaxxing its probably best to rush through the main quest to unlock the ship and then do everything else in ng+

 

[quaawaa]

Is there any incentive to go into NG+, rather than continue going around to different procedurally generated planets and doing stuff there? I don't really understand why they would implement it and go so far as to tie it into the story, when it doesn't seem like jumping into NG+ unlocks anything other than having a character with a bunch of levels (but no gear) at the starting zones. The game doesn't level-scale, right? So I'd assume NG+ doesn't make everything harder as a challenge for the next run. So why not just make a new character or keep the old game and keep exploring different high-level planets?

The optimal way to play the game is to speed run the story and temples 10 times to fully upgrade your character and ship. After that, on your 11th play through, you can finally start to play the game for real.

Seriously.

Or you can use console commands to grant yourself all of the NG+ upgrades and only do two playthroughs: one for the main story and one for the side content.

 

[Mr.Miyagi]

You keep your levels and unlocked perks, and get (probably) the best ship in the game and some very good armour. If you are minmaxxing its probably best to rush through the main quest to unlock the ship and then do everything else in ng+

Oh, gotcha. I thought it was strictly just your character, didn't realize it gave you a ship and gear.

The optimal way to play the game is to speed run the story and temples 10 times (to fully upgrade your character and ship). After that, on your 11th play through, you can finally start to play the game for real.

Seriously.

Are there not enough artifacts in a single universe to upgrade your character and get all the powers, necessitating multiple runs, or is it just that the main story is the easiest way to get them, rather than hoping for some on random procgen worlds?

 

[Would]

No, that's not all they do. Can you tell which of these images was rendered with DLSS?

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1st one sounds like the logical choice to me seeing oversharpening and some of the textures seem blown up, but I haven't read beyond this yet so I'm guessing they're both DLSS?
Edit: Fuck.

 

[Epoch]

Are there not enough artifacts in a single universe to upgrade your character and get all the powers, necessitating multiple runs, or is it just that the main story is the easiest way to get them, rather than hoping for some on random procgen worlds?

The main story is a fetch quest to collect all the artifacts, you need all of them to reach Unity and get the next NG+. The main quest will straight up just highlight the location of every artifact and matching temple, even more so in NG+ as your character has self insert prior knowledge and gives it to the black russian dude on the Eye and he pinpoints the location of every artifact, which is randomized each run. I haven't done anything in NG+ but I assume going to the same temples upgrades your dragon shouts starborn powers since from the first playthrough they were really pathetically weak.

Spoiler: story question

I thought the goal of the other starborn was to find Unity and that they went through multiple universes searching for it, and thats why they are so hostile and violent, but at the same time Unity at the center of the universe requires the artifacts and is what makes someone a Starborn, so I'm just confused and I'm not sure if its from me not caring when playing or if the writing is that sloppy.