Justwandering02
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windows 7 user will be higher if windows didn't force them to update to another OS
Steam dropping Windows 7 and Windows 8 Support in 2024 - because of course a game platform is locked to one shitty web browser
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Saw this in a Steam update:
so that sucks for people gaming on a Mac old enough to still have a platter drive, that never actually upgraded their computer to use an SSD.
256gb SATA SSDs are just $16 now, jfc
so that sucks for people gaming on a Mac old enough to still have a platter drive, that never actually upgraded their computer to use an SSD.
256gb SATA SSDs are just $16 now, jfc
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And OC, end of life is short for forcibly taken out back! Just thinking about this.. There are no OS's being "supported" (allowed) that still have compatibility mode. Doesn't this mean that a whole bunch of owned games (that can't be separated from steam) are about to go poof?
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Why would this mean games get deleted from your account? Either way, you should probably download them to your Iomega Zip Drive to be safe.
Mothra1988
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Yeah, I'm getting sick of Steam. Even if I use Windows 10, I think I'm close to giving up on them. This is only one in a laundry list of dumb shit they've been doing for the past several years.
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Have you ever even ran Windows 11 in a VM? Oh who am I kidding, of course you didn't, every retard who has a complaint about Win10/11 never used it and whenever I try to prove them wrong I get called out on being a Bill Gates cocksucker, because you cannot say anything positive about Win10/Win11 because you then become the antichrist.
Windows 11 still has the old ass compatibility modes down to Windows 95. The thing is those already often did fuck all on Windows 7 for a whole bunch of games because some of them are so old you have to manually patch them and that's why PC Gaming Wiki exists. I just installed Colin McRae Rally 04 on a Windows 11 VM from a ISO from 2007, enabled WinXP compatibility mode and it ran flawlessly, just like it does on my main Win10 install. Win11 might be x64 only, but it still has WoW, meaning you can still run 32-bit software.
And if there is an old game on Steam that doesn't run on modern systems out of the box, then the blame is not on Microsoft or Valve for murdering muh freedumbz or whichever schizophrenic bullshit you might believe in, but on the publisher who didn't take the bare minimum to make sure the game actually runs on modern systems. This is something GOG cares about a lot whenever releasing old games, and quite often GOG released will be patched up so that they will run fine out of the box.
And no, your games that you have assigned to your Steam account won't go "poof" you absolute mong. I don't think you've ever used Steam because you would know that if you have a game assigned to your account, and that game is gone from the store front, you can still install it and play it. I have DiRT 3 and SpinTires assigned to my account, both of which are gone from the store, and I can install them and play them just fine.
I mean, thank you for proving once again that every single retard complaining in this thread suffers from a severe case of Dunning-Krunner effect where they A-log every single big corpo and anyone who tries to explain to them why they are overreacting is being called out as a big corpo shill.
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Gee, it's almost like cloud gaming is a really fucking bad idea and it was better when people actually went to a store to buy physical PC games that were legit yours and you could do whatever the fuck you wanted with them.
But instead, we live in a time where digital only titles that were in storefronts like the Nintendo eShop are being Thanos'd without a care in the world. Thank christ for archivists and pirates saving all that shit.
Justwandering02
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Windows 7 has been past EOL for three years. How long is a reasonable period to keep testing and validating on an EOL'd platform? What software companies would you consider to be "smart?"
Mothra1988
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Pricks at Microsoft are not their core customer base. It's gamers. A lot of PC Master Race still likes Windows 7 over having to do all this shit to disable the spy ware on Windows 10/11 (fucking shit was literally uploading pics of me and my SO to the fucking cloud without my permission when I installed it).
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Windows 7 is under 2% of the Steam user base:
Can you answer either of my questions?
EDIT: I'll take your "I'm not mad, you're mad" react to mean, "no."
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Justwandering02
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it still higher to the whole linux base and close to mac os user. Yet steam support both linux and mac.. your point?
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None of the listed Linux distros or MacOS versions are three years past EOL.
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You know, if Microsoft really did keep Windows 7 going and didn't release any new OSes, they'd just turn it into a pajeet nightmare via updates anyway. Software would eventually stop supporting versions of 7 that hadn't been updated past a certain time, and we'd end up in the same situation we're in today, just with more version numbers to juggle around. Windows 7 was fantastic, but it was released in 2009, and 2009 was just a nicer time overall.
I have a few games on my account that aren't even playable anymore due to dependency on servers that've long since shut down. That's pretty solid of Steam to keep even that kinda thing available.
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I keep forgetting that RHEL 6 was still 2 years away when Windows 7 launched.
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To be fair, even in its latest life cycle, Win7 was getting the shit treatment by making the last few updates have telementary/spyware shit in them. it's why things like Ancile Script exist. Hell, it even had it's own "debloat" guide to not mkae it suck as much perfromance-wise
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There is a very good reason on why you drop OS support when it's past EOL. A segment of customers will always cry about it online. Windows 7 fans aren't alone. RHEL 6 acolytes blew up my inbox for months when I told them we were dropping support.
So let's say you want to keep supporting some EOL'd OS. Here's what happens in your development organization, sooner or later.
When an OS is still in some variant of maintenance support, and you have a bug that is caused by the OS itself, it can be fixed by reporting it to the vendor. Once you are past EOL, if you call and say, "Hey, we've got a crash, and we traced it back to a bug in libNSASpyReports.so," the response will be, "Yes, that bug is fixed in in version 4.3 of that lib, which is distributed in the supported version of our OS. The version of Glownig Linux you have is now past EOL, and the fix is to upgrade to a supported version"
For commercial operating systems, being past EOL means that you can no longer build new test machines. Eventually, your dev tools won't even run on the old platform. Visual Studio 2022 isn't supported on Win 7. Supporting an OS in the grown up world of commercial software land means you ran your regression tests on it. It means if customers report bugs on the platform, you fix them, or pass them along to the vendor. Test machine fails? It's gone. Can't upgrade the boxes, either. That's aside from the issue that any bug that isn't your fault simply can't be fixed now.
Last, but not least, at some point, the software you depend on to develop and deploy code eventually stops supporting the old OS, and you can no longer upgrade either. Want to upgrade FlexEra to 2022 R2? Your customers can't run their licenses servers on Windows Server 2008 any more. Want to upgrade to QT 6? Win 7 & 8 support is gone. New software almost never supports old platforms. Want to start using Intel's oneAPI multiplatform development tools? There's no Win 7 version, never will be.
Yeah, there will always be a handful of users (not just gamers, trust me, it's every industry) insisting that you should keep supporting ancient, unsupported platforms and formats, but eventually, their demands stop you from advancing your technology, and you have to pull the plug.
When an OS is still in some variant of maintenance support, and you have a bug that is caused by the OS itself, it can be fixed by reporting it to the vendor. Once you are past EOL, if you call and say, "Hey, we've got a crash, and we traced it back to a bug in libNSASpyReports.so," the response will be, "Yes, that bug is fixed in in version 4.3 of that lib, which is distributed in the supported version of our OS. The version of Glownig Linux you have is now past EOL, and the fix is to upgrade to a supported version"
For commercial operating systems, being past EOL means that you can no longer build new test machines. Eventually, your dev tools won't even run on the old platform. Visual Studio 2022 isn't supported on Win 7. Supporting an OS in the grown up world of commercial software land means you ran your regression tests on it. It means if customers report bugs on the platform, you fix them, or pass them along to the vendor. Test machine fails? It's gone. Can't upgrade the boxes, either. That's aside from the issue that any bug that isn't your fault simply can't be fixed now.
Last, but not least, at some point, the software you depend on to develop and deploy code eventually stops supporting the old OS, and you can no longer upgrade either. Want to upgrade FlexEra to 2022 R2? Your customers can't run their licenses servers on Windows Server 2008 any more. Want to upgrade to QT 6? Win 7 & 8 support is gone. New software almost never supports old platforms. Want to start using Intel's oneAPI multiplatform development tools? There's no Win 7 version, never will be.
Yeah, there will always be a handful of users (not just gamers, trust me, it's every industry) insisting that you should keep supporting ancient, unsupported platforms and formats, but eventually, their demands stop you from advancing your technology, and you have to pull the plug.
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Extremely niche category i know, but this also effects anyone running a hackintosh with a nvidia card, they are pretty much bound to sierra (high sierra is the last version supported by nvidias firmware on macOS but theyre just fucking abysmal for that version). Anyone running a hackintosh should just buy an AMD card and be done with it, native support
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You're a dumb ass nigga if you think Valve had any say in this decision lmao. Besides Valve wants you off Windows entirely and to use linux with proton. This decision boils down to the use of Chromium which will stop being maintained for 7 and 8.1 builds. The MacOS EOL is thanks to Apple being retards with older computer hardware (even if it's not that old). Actually read for once instead of being a reactionary faglord, it will do you a lot of favors.