Steven Universe - Now a Griefing Thread

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Honest;y I think the Granet/Ruby &Sapphire thing would’ve been alright if they’d stopped trying to shove the square peg into the round hole with attempts to make Garbet a direct 1:1 parallel for human relationships when it’s physically impossible fir two humans to fuse together into an entirely new sentient being. The inevitable outcomes were that Garnet stopped being an individual character in her own right and attempts to explore Ruby and Sapphire in the context of a more human relationship just left the audience with awkward to downright uncomfortable comparisons like trying to imagine a couple who literally never stopped holding hands.

It would’ve been better to explore Ruby and Sapphire in a more abstract manner in relation to Garnet. If only Steven had some sort of mind-reading, dream-entering powers that could be used to facilitate such an encounter...

Garnet should have been characterized as the literal child of Ruby and Sapphire's union. Less of a combination of them and more of a product of their love for each other. Instead, she's really just their "cool" aspects combined. But she loses a lot of personality when you really think of how she doesn't really stand alone on her own.
 
I think the other area where Crewniverse hit a snag with the whole "total planetary destruction and the eradication of all on earth for the empire isn’t genocide" thing is that Gempire doesn’t need to engage in that level in conquest for reasons that were traditionally the motives behind expansion. Gems don’t eat so they have no need for agriculture, Gems don’t age so there’s no incentive for reproduction or sustaining a consistent labor force, Gems don’t even need housing because they are immune to the elements so there’s no need for construction, resource farming, or any of the technological advancements that come with that.

The only reason for such aggressive terraforming and conquering is purely vanity and status. Which I’d argue is actually worse in some ways.

And I would disagree that there was absolutely no despite behind the Gempire’s actions in killing off all life on the other planets for this expansion. The Homeworld Gems make it very clear on several occasions that they consider "organics" to be abominations and have trouble distinguishing between the different types of organic life in favor of listing all of them as vermin. Hell, the entire reason Pearls seem to be singled out as The Slave Caste is because pearls are partially organic. That doesn’t come about if they only feel indifference for other life forms.

Sorry, that wasn’t very clear.

I meant that, being a functionally immortal species the requires zero sustenance, the only incentive for Gems to engage in that kind of harvest is that the simple act of having a ton of planets and a ton of Gems made from those planets is a status symbol for the Diamonds - hence why they have so many murals and such showing off how many planets each Diamond has, and why Pink was so enraged that she never got any of her own. There’s no survival-based reason that can be linked to the Gempire’s expansion and resource mining that kills off all the life on those planets.

So what you're saying is this whole conflict can be boiled down to "A tit-measuring contest among bored powerful women".

I disagree with not needing shelter though. The gemstones on Gems were their weakspots. Needing cover from acid rain or some mongoloid hurling boulders at everybody isn't farfetched. Everything else you're right about and in the end, not needing reliance on planet resources outside of aimless repopulation made the Gems boring as shit.

Becky managed to make an immortal race of powerful women BORING unless they were fighting an imaginary war. That's impressively fucked up. 🚬

So more of SU’s End of an Era art book is leaking and, to the surprise of ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, the Ruby/Sapphire wedding is what eventually killed the OG series.
Also, Rebecca and other SU writers hosted a virtual NYCC panel for the art book.
On the one hand I can applaud her for staying open about wanting to continue the IP in some capacity. But on the other she kind of burned those bridges considering the direction CN is going and how SU has basically dropped out of the public eye.

Becky, the execs were warning you that if everyone wants gay weddings, the novelty will wear off and people will start rolling their eyes at it. Just like they do with Liar Reveals and Disney Deaths. You used gays as your last-ditch effort to salvage your shit show and just like they warned you, others followed your lead. (AT, LoK who did it first, OK KO and NuShe-Ra) In a way you made gays in kids cartoons commonplace but boy howdy did it come at the cost of their special status. Just like the blacks. Good job???

Garnet should have been characterized as the literal child of Ruby and Sapphire's union. Less of a combination of them and more of a product of their love for each other. Instead, she's really just their "cool" aspects combined. But she loses a lot of personality when you really think of how she doesn't really stand alone on her own.

I agree but that would contribute to the "fusions = sex" argument and the less they could avoid that connection the longer the curtain could cover their true intentions.
 
So more of SU’s End of an Era art book is leaking and, to the surprise of ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, the Ruby/Sapphire wedding is what eventually killed the OG series.
Also, Rebecca and other SU writers hosted a virtual NYCC panel for the art book.
On the one hand I can applaud her for staying open about wanting to continue the IP in some capacity. But on the other she kind of burned those bridges considering the direction CN is going and how SU has basically dropped out of the public eye.
How fitting; Ruby and Sapphire ruined Garnet as a character so might as well top the series while it was at it’s death throes. That fact that she spends so much time on this gay wedding and how it reflects her relationship with Ian but had to request six episodes to sloppily finish the main story arc built over several seasons...well, it certainly shows some of the severe flaws of this show doesn’t it?

Also the only weddings in PPG were used as gags, why the hell is she using that as an example?
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Nothing about this picture fills me with joy, especially dredging up Danger & Eggs.

At the risk of sounding like a simp or a stan, shit like Hazbin Hotel doesn’t beat around the bush and has the balls to market itself towards young adults, rather than use a tired kid’s show facade. Bonus points for being LGBT friendly and made by a LGBT creator.
Becky, the execs were warning you that if everyone wants gay weddings, the novelty will wear off and people will start rolling their eyes at it. Just like they do with Liar Reveals and Disney Deaths
It’s actually amazing how fast the novelty wore off. After Arthur and Voltron made headlines for their weddings (for good and bad), no one has tried a stunt like this again, for one reason or another. Looks like it didn’t pan out the way Rebecca wanted.


You used gays as your last-ditch effort to salvage your shit show and just like they warned you, others followed your lead. (AT, LoK who did it first, OK KO and NuShe-Ra)
I would argue that there’s a distinct difference with SU; judging by all the interviews Sugar has given over the years, it seems more like the gays were Sugar’s first and foremost concern with the series, with everything else being secondary. So long as she got her gays, it was a victory for her.

Then again, everything towards the end really felt like a desperate attempt at staying relevant so we’re probably both right.
 
I disagree with not needing shelter though. The gemstones on Gems were their weakspots. Needing cover from acid rain or some mongoloid hurling boulders at everybody isn't farfetched. Everything else you're right about and in the end, not needing reliance on planet resources outside of aimless repopulation made the Gems boring as shit.

Becky managed to make an immortal race of powerful women BORING unless they were fighting an imaginary war. That's impressively fucked up. 🚬
That’s a good point. When I initially wrote that Gems wouldn’t need shelter, I was thinking more about how Garnet is able to swim through lava and despite being called a weakness Gems rarely ever crack unless it’s for a plot device, so it’s pretty easy to forget about it. That and Gems don’t need to sleep either (didn’t even understand the concept until Steven explained it) amd Homeworld specifically has no apparent signs of weather, let alone acid rain, so I guess that would only leave the boulder chuckers in terms of outdoor protection.

I still stand by the opinion that Becca could’ve solved all these issues by making White Diamond the ground zero of a previous civilization‘s unstoppable army/WMD project that got out of control, and therefore White’s desire to expand and make more Gems like herself and conquer every planet she finds is her following her "programming" the way every other Gem does so to speak. The new book’s claims that all 4 diamonds were birthed at the same time and White just assumed she was the best because she was the biggest and contained every color and thus took it upon herself to be the leader/mother and that lead to destroying over planets because... reasons, was several different flavors of retarded.
 
So more of SU’s End of an Era art book is leaking and, to the surprise of ABSOLUTELY NO ONE, the Ruby/Sapphire wedding is what eventually killed the OG series.
Also, Rebecca and other SU writers hosted a virtual NYCC panel for the art book.
On the one hand I can applaud her for staying open about wanting to continue the IP in some capacity. But on the other she kind of burned those bridges considering the direction CN is going and how SU has basically dropped out of the public eye.
The wedding was proof how shallow the characters were.
An easy way to cover their ass was to say, "This is how Homeworld did things before the Diamionds" or some shit.
5 Millenia and the (not) son of the Diamond who caused the civil war tells you "you should get married".
 
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They made a bad metaphor for a "traditionalist" family with Pink as the rebellious child and also tried to make them both imperialists and muh victims of muh white/straight society. Faggots try to compare the show's villains with something like Utena's missing that they were jerks/bullies as a rules, not threats to a whole world.

Anyway SU is shit and so are you for defending it (see the Peet thread).
 
That’s a good point. When I initially wrote that Gems wouldn’t need shelter, I was thinking more about how Garnet is able to swim through lava and despite being called a weakness Gems rarely ever crack unless it’s for a plot device, so it’s pretty easy to forget about it. That and Gems don’t need to sleep either (didn’t even understand the concept until Steven explained it) amd Homeworld specifically has no apparent signs of weather, let alone acid rain, so I guess that would only leave the boulder chuckers in terms of outdoor protection.

I still stand by the opinion that Becca could’ve solved all these issues by making White Diamond the ground zero of a previous civilization‘s unstoppable army/WMD project that got out of control, and therefore White’s desire to expand and make more Gems like herself and conquer every planet she finds is her following her "programming" the way every other Gem does so to speak. The new book’s claims that all 4 diamonds were birthed at the same time and White just assumed she was the best because she was the biggest and contained every color and thus took it upon herself to be the leader/mother and that lead to destroying over planets because... reasons, was several different flavors of retarded.
The whole "they were created at the same time" thing even goes against her own implied canon. When Steven's singing "Familiar" he goes through Pink's old drawings and one of them is White, Yellow, and Blue standing over a cart of distinctly pink rocks, implying it was Pink's "birth".
All the shit Rebecca spewed is just "fuck you for ruining my perfect gay show for wanting actual interesting lore about a space empire, FINE, here's your fucking answer." A perfect creator tard meltdown for a 30-something woman who's nothing more than an exalted "my gender is my personality" tumblrina clout-chaser. I hope her fans don't actually take this bullshit lore like the simps they are. There are SO many problems with the shit lore. "I'm supposed to be without a flaw" ACCORDING TO WHO?! And if BD, YD, and PD aren't isolated parts of yourself (come on becky you love anime, you could have just gone the fma route) then why didn't you destroy them for being flawed? They're not perfect diamonds, they clearly have intense emotional issues.
 
The whole "they were created at the same time" thing even goes against her own implied canon. When Steven's singing "Familiar" he goes through Pink's old drawings and one of them is White, Yellow, and Blue standing over a cart of distinctly pink rocks, implying it was Pink's "birth".
All the shit Rebecca spewed is just "fuck you for ruining my perfect gay show for wanting actual interesting lore about a space empire, FINE, here's your fucking answer." A perfect creator tard meltdown for a 30-something woman who's nothing more than an exalted "my gender is my personality" tumblrina clout-chaser. I hope her fans don't actually take this bullshit lore like the simps they are. There are SO many problems with the shit lore. "I'm supposed to be without a flaw" ACCORDING TO WHO?! And if BD, YD, and PD aren't isolated parts of yourself (come on becky you love anime, you could have just gone the fma route) then why didn't you destroy them for being flawed? They're not perfect diamonds, they clearly have intense emotional issues.
"Familiar" is also why I don’t buy Becky’s claim that you were never meant to think that Steven made up with the Diamonds or that you weren’t supposed to think they’re redeemed. You don’t write a 3 1/2 minute song (which is a little over a third of an 11 minute episode’s run time) about the main character lamenting that the Diamonds deep down are just a broken family that can be healed with the Power of Wuv and hugs, and then act surprised when people interpret the finale ending with a Diamond pool party where everything is sunshine and rainbows as that meaning Steven has forgiven them.

There’s always been this weird aspect of SU‘s writing where they seem to think "show don‘t tell" means that you can have these big elaborate numbers and scenes that seem to paint a clear picture of intent, but then you imply everyone’s an idiot for not reading an entire unspoken backstory into that 2 second side-eye a character made in one scene that wasn’t even the main focus of the shot that was meant to convey that the true intent was actually the polar opposite of the big elaborate scene.

If children actually watched this show I would be genuinely curious to hear what their takeaways were. Because it‘s kind of amazing how antithetical SU‘s approach is to the basics of visual storytelling, especially on a channel that rated it as being for ages 10 and up.
 
"Familiar" is also why I don’t buy Becky’s claim that you were never meant to think that Steven made up with the Diamonds or that you weren’t supposed to think they’re redeemed. You don’t write a 3 1/2 minute song (which is a little over a third of an 11 minute episode’s run time) about the main character lamenting that the Diamonds deep down are just a broken family that can be healed with the Power of Wuv and hugs, and then act surprised when people interpret the finale ending with a Diamond pool party where everything is sunshine and rainbows as that meaning Steven has forgiven them.

There’s always been this weird aspect of SU‘s writing where they seem to think "show don‘t tell" means that you can have these big elaborate numbers and scenes that seem to paint a clear picture of intent, but then you imply everyone’s an idiot for not reading an entire unspoken backstory into that 2 second side-eye a character made in one scene that wasn’t even the main focus of the shot that was meant to convey that the true intent was actually the polar opposite of the big elaborate scene.

If children actually watched this show I would be genuinely curious to hear what their takeaways were. Because it‘s kind of amazing how antithetical SU‘s approach is to the basics of visual storytelling, especially on a channel that rated it as being for ages 10 and up.
not to mention they have a clear family dynamic. White is clearly a narc mother who is doting over her Golden Child Pink, Yellow and Blue are clearly the less-adored older sisters who are envious of the GC (and as such give her a big fat "you can't stop colonizing because this is what you asked mommy for you spoiled brat"), and Pink is the bratty half pint to whom all gems are nothing but expendable toys and outlets for her abusive play. You really can't say "uh well uh they were all made at the same time" because if 3 enormous (and one less but still 3-4 times the size of a human) competent AI were all born at the exact same time, I really really doubt they'd go "ok you're biggest so you're in charge and also we're going to be inclined to act like your kids".
 
Good! Faggot shit should never be encouraged.
I've seen local bakeries in the middle east with the Steven Birthday Cakes around. Its out there, but most likely niche.

On the one hand I can applaud her for staying open about wanting to continue the IP in some capacity. But on the other she kind of burned those bridges considering the direction CN is going and how SU has basically dropped out of the public eye.
Is there a leaked conversation between CN execs discussing this or something? A topic of discussion among SU fans is a lack of merchandise and claims to how popular the franchise is.
 
Is there a leaked conversation between CN execs discussing this or something? A topic of discussion among SU fans is a lack of merchandise and claims to how popular the franchise is.
Not that I’m aware of, most of it just stems from how CN’s been treating the IP after Future ended and the kind of programming that‘s being put onto the channel now.

As far as the merch and popularity thing is concerned the kicker is that SU had merchandise during its run but it‘s not the kind of merchandise that the fandom wants...
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Outside of the standard fare HT apparel and accessories (and some HT/SDCC-exclusive plushies) most of the merch came in the form of Funko POPs (Along with their bindbagged/blindboxed figures) and cheaper checklane alternatives. What the fandom really wanted to see were high-quality action figures and other ludicrously expensive stuff.
...and it’s also worth noting that the merchandise became less generic and more geared towards promoting the Reunited special, Change Your Mind special, and the Movie. Hell, outside of an expensive custom-made pink varsity jacket with a yellow-star-on-black inlay there’s ZERO Future merch.
 
Why does Funko Pop even exist?! It's shit!

I've seen local bakeries in the middle east with the Steven Birthday Cakes around. Its out there, but most likely niche.
I imagine these bakeries are in nations that don't criminalize faggot shit.
 
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Why does Funko Pop even exist?! It's shit!
They’re a cheap and easy way for companies to license their IPs and can be sold at every goddamned store you can think of. But if you want blame someone for putting Funko on the map you’d have to blame Bob’s Big Boy and Big Boy Restaurants for licensing out their Big Boy character to ‘em back in the late 90’s.
 
Funko Pops are ugly, but having a standard unified character design motif makes for a nice collection.
It’s less to do with making for a nice collection and more to do with saving money on the cost of molds. Just have a look at some of the earlier ones and you’ll see that they’re all in same awkward pose. Combine that with hard-to-find chasers that’s only change a small amount of the figure and easy variants like glow-in-the-dark/metallic/flocked/scented/glitter/diamond and you have an instant cash cow.
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Well this was a bad thread to read before getting the art book. I don’t believe that SU is 100% irredeemable garbage. I didn’t watch it just to seethe over it‘s very obvious pacing and character issues. But all of this ego-protecting clownery that the crew has been doing does nothing for both the show and themselves. It would have been much better to keep their mouths shut and let plot holes be dug and plot threads hanging than meddle with canon after the fact.
 
The wedding was proof how shallow the characters were.
An easy way to cover their ass was to say, "This is how Homeworld did things before the Diamionds" or some shit.
5 Millenia and the (not) son of the Diamond who caused the civil war tells you "you should get married".
Even the wedding itself was praised more for being gay than for the characters in the end. Doesn’t help that Ruby and Sapphire are pretty shallow as characters despite being these gay icons.

come on becky you love anime, you could have just gone the fma route)
White being hand waved from being this Father like being to simply being “delusional” is definitely one of the more sloppy retcons. Did Sugar get cold feet over stealing from a good anime?
Concerning the fanbase, while you’ll always have the hardcore ones who will lap anything up, there are some that will call bullshit on the writers. Peridot being “aroace” is a good example of that.
 
I would never collect Funko Pops. The things I am a fan of actually look terrible in that set. For example, He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters only look right if they are jacked. Funkos look stupid and cutesy, so those characters don't translate well at all.
 
Well this was a bad thread to read before getting the art book. I don’t believe that SU is 100% irredeemable garbage. I didn’t watch it just to seethe over it‘s very obvious pacing and character issues. But all of this ego-protecting clownery that the crew has been doing does nothing for both the show and themselves. It would have been much better to keep their mouths shut and let plot holes be dug and plot threads hanging than meddle with canon after the fact.
They only did it because so many people were pissed not only did Steven Universe end on a low note, the movie AND Future were also thrown away in their wank for sjw garbage.
 
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