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Just confused it's a British dude it just from out of no where. Also there is nothing more to do they should have fled and have a preparing for battle season.
Just confused it's a British dude it just from out of no where. Also there is nothing more to do they should have fled and have a preparing for battle season.
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Fuck you Jasper is back. I wanna see her awkward ass kiss up to Steven now. But yeah what the fuck else is there? White diamond was reasoned with, the corrupted gems are fixed, and Lars is immortal so he'll outlive Sadie and their kids.
I do wanna know if Pink Pearl will be able to stay with the Gems though. Maybe they'll pull an Adventure Time and just continue the story in comics. (Or the movie)
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The animation was really fluid towards the end and that was nice.
But yeah. I could have written all of that shit. I knew that it was going to be another feel-good "talking the villain down" finale without any real force being used. Kind of sick of that shit. There's a time to be compassionate and diplomatic and there's also a time to know when to fight. I feel like the show doesn't understand this concept and just assumes that every time there's a threat you can just be warm and mushy and that automatically saves the day. Snore.
It does feel like the series finale. I've heard, however, that a Season 6 is planned along with a supposed movie. I don't know how or why. Everything was tied in a nice little bow. If anything, they should just hand the series off to Greg as he's the only character I remotely give a shit about at this point. Or Pink Pearl. Either is fine.
But yeah. I could have written all of that shit. I knew that it was going to be another feel-good "talking the villain down" finale without any real force being used. Kind of sick of that shit. There's a time to be compassionate and diplomatic and there's also a time to know when to fight. I feel like the show doesn't understand this concept and just assumes that every time there's a threat you can just be warm and mushy and that automatically saves the day. Snore.
It does feel like the series finale. I've heard, however, that a Season 6 is planned along with a supposed movie. I don't know how or why. Everything was tied in a nice little bow. If anything, they should just hand the series off to Greg as he's the only character I remotely give a shit about at this point. Or Pink Pearl. Either is fine.
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In theory the whole diplomacy and non-violence route could be workable, but it would require a lot more time to set things up so that the resolutions actually feel satisfying.
The last few episodes kinda exemplify those flaws perfectly. For this entire arc you don’t actually get any insight to how Homewotkd functions, and you hardly even see anyone other than the diamonds, and it really drives home how much this gem planet feels more like a backdrop than a real place. The entire time that fight between the diamonds was going on I kept thinking “Gee I wonder what the other gems that supposedly work in all these buildings think about their rulers having a smack down in broad daylight.” By the time it finally gets to all the admittedly interesting imagery and well-executed moments with White Diamond, they just don’t have the impact that they should because we barely know these characters or the civilization model that they stand for. It’s like watching a show'shighlights where you skipped several episodes worth of context.
Which kinda brings me to another point: any other show probably could’ve gotten to this point by season 3. I know a lot of people suggest that if the show had 22 minutes long episodes instead of 11 minute episodes, or getting rid of the bomb format, but really I think the problem boils down to the crew just not being very economic with their time. There’s several episodes that can be classified as either redundant or worthless, or arcs that take a concept that can be covered in two episodes tops, and then take 4-5 episodes to cover. The watermelon episode in the middle of this arc is a great example of this: it’s not only basically a long-wonder way of explaining the theme of the arc, but it pretty sucks out all the urgency in the situation since there’s nothing that makes you feel like Steven will fail.
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The problem is that the villains FEEL like they could be really interesting and complex. White Diamond starts out pretty creepy and intense and I was wondering if we'd finally get a real threat on the show. But no. Same old shit where she immediately gets redeemed and hangs out with everyone else at the end. I'm fine with redeeming the villain. But there needs to be more harm caused towards the heroes. Without a sense of danger, there's no punch to any form of character growth. Imagine how much greater it would be if White Diamond had done some pretty fucked up shit--killed or seriously hurt Steven's dad or one of the crystal gems for example--and THEN in spite of her horrible actions, Steven offers her a chance at redemption and pushes past the hate and pain of what she did. That is so much more stronger and emotional than the standard huggy-buggy story the show constantly lies down for.
Basically what I'm saying is that White Diamond was a far cry away from being an Azula. And that's pretty lame.
Basically what I'm saying is that White Diamond was a far cry away from being an Azula. And that's pretty lame.
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The thing is that White Diamond did do some fucked up shit from creating the cluster to maiming a pearl, it’s just that Steven Universe just has a habit of sweeping moments like that under the rug instead of acknowledging all the really fucked up shit.
I know it’s kind of a cliche to use this an example, but look st Zuko’s redemption arc: you know exactly why he’s the way he is as an antagonist, then he starts to question his actions when he finds common ground with the protagonists, and then when he gets everything he wanted at the start of the show and finds it unfulfilling, he then starts to turn for real and sets off on his own, and then even when he has fully sided with the protagonists he still has to accept that there’s some people who never accept him due to his past actions.
Compare that to White Diamond: after human Steven and gem Steven fuse she’s almost unrecognizable as a character and there’s a whole laundry list of events that happened because of her (the cluster, the human zoo, the bubbling of all the Rose Quartz gems, etc.) that go completely unacknowldged.
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You know for all retarded rant that Orchard made about SU being a piece of fascist apology, he got at least a thing right: you can't forgive awful people that easily. All the awful things that the Diamonds did, all the people of different planets that they killed to make the colonies, all the gems that they corrupted beyond repair...it's ok now: they are good guys. And it has nothing to do with that dumb shit that Orchard says about SU gloryfing "muh nazis": it's a matter of how your storytelling is so fucking bad and how childish your approach to morality that you hide the implications not only about villains that exterminate and ensalve millions of people but people that does other horrible shit. Pearl treats you like shit and almost let you die? It's okay: she was depresed because his space waifu died...14 years ago. Amethyst psycologically tortures Greg with his dead wife? It's also okay: she is depressed because she feels bad about her own origin. Lapis being a bitch to everyone (especially Peridot) and whinning all the time? It's okay: she was on a toxic relationship (that she caused). Here it's a thing that Sugar should have realized: having problems is not an excuse for doing awful things!!!
And where the series is gonna do right know? The main villains were befriended already and all the corrupted gems were repair. They gonna pull that heart gem villain at the end from their ass for the movie? More fucking filler episodes? This is storytelling so incompetent in so many levels. Don't close your story like that if you want to expand your story!!!
Have you noticed that when the hype for the Golden Age of Animation ended people started looking the problems and mistakes from these cartoons? Ironically enough, Steven Universe is the last cartoon from the Old Guard. When the show ends will be the end of an era.
And where the series is gonna do right know? The main villains were befriended already and all the corrupted gems were repair. They gonna pull that heart gem villain at the end from their ass for the movie? More fucking filler episodes? This is storytelling so incompetent in so many levels. Don't close your story like that if you want to expand your story!!!
Have you noticed that when the hype for the Golden Age of Animation ended people started looking the problems and mistakes from these cartoons? Ironically enough, Steven Universe is the last cartoon from the Old Guard. When the show ends will be the end of an era.
The episode
50 bucks that the movie will be in a flashback
"hey guys, remember when that happened?"
Probably.
We just been through a huge space battle, now see the pizza girls have a sibling fight, that's entertaining, right?
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Idk? I hate that it was sort of predictable, but long runing theme of the show was learning to accept yourself? I kinda liked part where Steven told White that if she wants to see differently and accept herself being flawless, she has to get out of her head (both figuratelly and literally). And in a broader sense, thats something we all have to do.
And it only happened because Steven was finally able to see that he's always been himself. I could argue about wonky storytelling, not to mention crapload of filler episodes, which really went on my nerves, but I can't be mad at this conclusion of the arc, in the end it's a childrens show which core message was about acceptance and love, and which I honestly do believe is needed in this age, where people are quick to jump to conlusion and hate without reason. Which, unfortunately is kind of super ironic considering what sorts of fans this show attracted.
And it only happened because Steven was finally able to see that he's always been himself. I could argue about wonky storytelling, not to mention crapload of filler episodes, which really went on my nerves, but I can't be mad at this conclusion of the arc, in the end it's a childrens show which core message was about acceptance and love, and which I honestly do believe is needed in this age, where people are quick to jump to conlusion and hate without reason. Which, unfortunately is kind of super ironic considering what sorts of fans this show attracted.
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Maybe this season was all about the plot heavy stuff, and the last season will just be character episodes, kinda like the first season was. End the way you started and all that.
Plus it’ll stop people complaining about “getting back to the plot!” The major looming threat is dealt with, now things can relax a bit. There wasn’t exactly time to focus on the other characters ever since Blue and Yellow attacked Earth.
Plus it’ll stop people complaining about “getting back to the plot!” The major looming threat is dealt with, now things can relax a bit. There wasn’t exactly time to focus on the other characters ever since Blue and Yellow attacked Earth.
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To be honest I think a better comparison would be Wander Over Yonder with Lord Dominator's "redemption" at the end. Since it deals with a happy-go-lucky pacifist against an evil space dictator.
Throughout their second season they establish Dominator as a cruel threat that actively impacts each episode and little by little Wander questions if pacifism really works and if his principles are wrong here.
His friends just want to kill her, but towards the end he learns that she acts this way because she's insecure and is therefore able to talk to her and thwart her plans.
I think a problem with SU's talking down villians thing is that the bad guys have no bite or principles and just go with steven with little persuasion. It really pissed me off how easily blue and yellow turned good.
Especially yellow, cuz at no point other than the sauna scene did they really allude to that she's in any way suffering.
A simple flashback establishing how white treated the other diamonds in the past would have fixed this.
But nope just dull down all the villians to the point where talking them out of being evil is possible. Unless your Jasper, then just lock them in the closet till their good.
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Near flawless end to both the season and the near flawless five-season story arc. It managed to close the book on the diamond war nicely. Hopefully they don’t fuck up whatever the next major conflict will be.
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Meh, it's not even diplomacy what SU "talking down the villain". He just cries and whines about feelings and love and fusion and that's good enough for the villains. He doesn't really act in any way someone would consider "smart", anyhow.
I guess it's funny since SU is basically the bastard child of social justice politics and anime, which is often pretty far-right in ideologies. At least in the animes Sugar claims to be a fan of, most often than not the evil tyrannical villain is often extinguished by the hero.
I guess it's funny since SU is basically the bastard child of social justice politics and anime, which is often pretty far-right in ideologies. At least in the animes Sugar claims to be a fan of, most often than not the evil tyrannical villain is often extinguished by the hero.
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Ok so... if Pink Diamond is truely “not there” anymore then why did her form cycle through that, Rose Quartz, then Steven? Why bring the voice actress’ laughter in as Pink form and Steven reformed? Unless I’m a massive tard and missing something, stick with a narrative and follow through. Having those details just proves White’s suspicions that Pink is using Steven’s existence to get away from her past.
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I’d call it more a lingering echo than proof she’s still there.
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I was kinda expecting Rose to return. That would be a big anime cliche all in all. Keeping her actually gone is kinda better in this sense.
Still makes Pearl really sad, tbh. She's gonna be lusting for somebody who's never coming back.
Still makes Pearl really sad, tbh. She's gonna be lusting for somebody who's never coming back.
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The animation in that one segment was fluid as hell though. James Baxter always does amazing work.