Stop Killing Games (EU edition) - Moldman vs. Publishers

[Verpa Teutonica Ingens]

We don't need more government regulations, we need less. Get that shit out of our lives.

Government is a weapon. Either we use it against our enemies, or our enemies use it against us.

 

[Übertroon]

If you have no ideology to guide you, in short time you'll be the slave of someone who does.

If your ideology involves not seizing power in a system where everyone else is attempting to do so constantly, then you've already lost at the outset

 

[ADHD Mate]

One way is by giving a 30% cut of your profits to a third-party company called Valve and counting on the likelihood that an irrational subset of consumers will consciously choose to purchase your game on their platform rather than torrenting it for free. This seems to be the solution that gamers are loudly clamoring for, and it's the best and easiest solution for smaller developers despite forcing you to pay a massive, massive amount of money to a corporation that did not work on your game at all. And if your game does not have secure centralized servers and a multiplayer component, it will still be freely available as a torrent before long. On the other hand, if you do have centralized servers you have a much stronger line of defense preventing consumers from acquiring your product without paying.

I knew it. You are soydev who probably spergs on r/gamedev that his game is pirated instead of being bought or some other shit. It is such a standard cope of shovelware devs.
Also there is a reason why Steam is so popular. It's because Valve has long track record on being mostly pro consumer, that's why people choose it over buying games from random storefronts.

You may be someone who circumvents this illegally,

Illegally? So you love daddy government after all? Why would it be illegal for me to modify binaries that I found on the internet?

The reason for being locked out of the software after a period of nonpayment is not because the servers cost too much money for Adobe to run, it is simply planned obsolescence as a business plan.

Great, and it should be made illegal. Either you sell a product or a service. Also afaik Adobe does not sell Photoshop anymore, only subscription. Which what was stated before would be legal if SKG passed.
It's a difference between renting a car, and buying a car that requires special oil filter. If rental company stops renting cars that's too bad.
But if company stops selling oil filter, and disallows others to make it cuz muh IP laws, so you end up with car that cannot be used, then it's abusive and needs be forbidden by law.

However, there is nothing distinct separating the "NBA 2K" business model from the "Adobe Photoshop" business model. If you are an an anarcho-capitalist or a communist, then you are likely opposed to both practices. If you are an SKG supporter, then you are childishly choosing to attack one while burying your head in the sand for the other.

But what about the other thing that no one is talking about right now!

I really should stop reading your posts. Either you are baiting, or are seriously mentally challenged.

 

[WTH Fried Chicken]

So another dev has come out in opposition to SKG. This is Chet Faliszek. He had worked at Valve as a writer for Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. He is also the Project Lead on The Anacrusis , a game which is basically L4D but in space.
This person is also on the echo chamber known as Bluesky, and so you can probably guess exactly the kind of person he is. https://bsky.app/profile/chetsucks.com He is also on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@chetfaliszek/
Unfortunately I found out about this video after it was deleted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPqzsl7Ey0

Title of the video: Stop making sense and killing games
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Contents of the video: Chet wears funny hats and does funny voices making strawman arguments about what Stop Killing Games is.
He has made followups to this video

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[30+GameOvers]

So another dev has come out in opposition to SKG. This is Chet Faliszek. He had worked at Valve as a writer for Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. He is also the Project Lead on The Anacrusis , a game which is basically L4D but in space.
This person is also on the echo chamber known as Bluesky, and so you can probably guess exactly the kind of person he is. https://bsky.app/profile/chetsucks.com He is also on TikTok https://www.tiktok.com/@chetfaliszek/
Unfortunately I found out about this video after it was deleted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOPqzsl7Ey0

Title of the video: Stop making sense and killing games
Thumbnail:
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Contents of the video: Chet wears funny hats and does funny voices making strawman arguments about what Stop Killing Games is.
He has made followups to this video

Preservetube Archive

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Left 4 Dead games had some good writing, but let's not pretend like that was something ground breaking. I'm getting a feeling he's full of himself and thinks he's more influential than he really is, just like the devs behind Evolved and Back4Blood.

 

[Black Willow Lurker]

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That explains why he can't make a coherent technical argument against SKG, but I've made it to about 50% of the first video, and he's barely making any sense at all, just some bizarre assertions without any backing. The distinction between "preservation" and "active playing" is really fucking strange. "You've all been to a museum, you know what I'm talking about". No, I don't. What the fuck does that even mean? Do you laminate a CD and put it under glass or some shit? Am I missing something here? Am I retarded???

"We have consumer choice now [...] and [Ross] is mad about that, he doesn't want them to be able to play those games, those games should not exist". Yeah, okay. That makes sense.

 

[ThinkThankThunk]

So another dev has come out in opposition to SKG. This is Chet Faliszek. He had worked at Valve as a writer for Left 4 Dead and Left 4 Dead 2. He is also the Project Lead on The Anacrusis , a game which is basically L4D but in space.
This person is also on the echo chamber known as Bluesky, and so you can probably guess exactly the kind of person he is.

By all accounts Chet's a genuine faggot; he's the one people suspect who, along with Doug Lombardi, largely halted Valve's game development for being so anal about trying to control the company's open floor plan that they'd go out of their way to snuff proposals and projects not made with their blessing to cripple morale. If that's the case then Doug seems to be cool now given he's still there and they've started working on games again, and they buried a lot of hatchets to get the old guard back for Alyx, but there's a pretty universal agreement among the people who read tea leaves to follow Valve's goings-ons that there's a good reason Chet was one of the very few excluded entirely.

Assuming it's true then it explains his feverish opposition to SKG; it's the exact opposite of what a petty tyrant would ever want. It gives life to products people paid for when he wants the cheap authoritative thrill of snuffing them out himself.

 

[Northern Blockhead]

Already passed 600k signatures. I gotta say, I'm impressed.

 

[The Saltening]

Gamersnexus interviewed ross

 

[Fellen]

If PirateSoftware being a smug little shit is the reason why this passes, I'll laugh my ass off.

 

[Jarch6]

If PirateSoftware being a smug little shit is the reason why this passes, I'll laugh my ass off.

It would be the one (unintentional) good thing that waste of skin has ever done.

It absolutely does burden GaaS games, which is why GaaS players do not like it.

Any pro-consumer move ultimately burdens the producer. And most (including politicians, at least if they don't receive some generous bribes/aggressive lobbying) won't feel particularly bad about burdening this extremely lucrative entertainment industry in the name of advancing consumer protections.

If you have no ideology to guide you, in short time you'll be the slave of someone who does.

I can think of instances (e.g., Bolshevik revolution, CCP albeit a while after Mao's passing) where the dedicated idealogues are quickly disposed of by the Machiavellian pragmatists who understand that power is pursued for it's own sake - though I don't know if that is a universal trend.

 

[GeorgeFloydFentanylStash]

Already passed 600k signatures. I gotta say, I'm impressed.

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It’s up to 616343 as i post this. Maybe it can get to a million votes by the end of July.

 

[Maeis]

Daily totals are falling off, but all we need is 12,000 a day basically.

 

[Spiral Architect]

We still need a significant number of signatures, but maybe, just maybe it's reachable. I don't even care about vidya anymore, but this is pro consumer, and i want to see insufferable fags like pirate software and that schizo faliszek guy get dunked on. It's interesting how pretty much everybody who's against it are know-it-all retards who mislead and do not understand what this whole initiative is about.

 

[The Tall Man]

One thing I did neglect to mention all this time is that the UK petition has also been gathering a lot of numbers!

Around the time that Ross uploaded his response to Mald (June 23), the petition had been sitting at just over 16,000 signatures, out of a minimum 100,000 needed for the petition to be considered for parliamentary debate.

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Only 3 days later on June 26, the number of signatures quite literally doubled by the same time of day (8PM) as the earlier archive.

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Now, at the time of writing, the petition is sitting at close to 42,000 signatures.

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Furthermore, I also took a look at the signature map and spotted something which I found deeply amusing. Notice how over up in Scotland there's one particular constituency which is quite dense with signatories, that being Dundee Central.

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Dundee is in fact the town/city where YoYo Games are headquartered, and as we all know, YYG are the developers of the GameMaker engine and IDE, which Mald himself just so happens to be using to develop ShartBound in.

Insane behavior, by the GameMaker guys.

 

[419]

Insane behavior, by the GameMaker guys.

I couldn't resist editing in that addendum of mine after your quote, because it was quite honestly divinely comedic.

(EDIT: I just quickly glossed over the map again, Dundee is in fact the most concentrated constituency in the UK so far for signatures on the SKG petition. God truly is the greatest comedian and I'm fucking cackling right now.)

 

[ZucchiniEnjoyer]

Mods and Jannies on 4chan, have actively started to sabotage SKG threads on /v/ by bumplocking, moving them to /pol/, deleting and letting them get spammed with CP and also banning users making SKG threads.

 

[30+GameOvers]

Mods and Jannies on 4chan, have actively started to sabotage SKG threads on /v/ by bumplocking, moving them to /pol/, deleting and letting them get spammed with CP and also banning users making SKG threads.

Jannies are trannies and trannies hate game preservation, got it
That site deserves another sharty hack

 

[Two Dollars]

Mods and Jannies on 4chan, have actively started to sabotage SKG threads on /v/ by bumplocking, moving them to /pol/, deleting and letting them get spammed with CP and also banning users making SKG threads.

/v/ almost always hates video games, and when they don’t, the jannies hate video games in their place. What causes this phenomenon?

 

[30+GameOvers]

/v/ almost always hates video games, and when they don’t, the jannies hate video games in their place. What causes this phenomenon?

Terminal case of contrarianism. You cannot have good conversations on that site anymore, it's all just endless shitposts, baitposts or unironic spam. Even if you're having a decent conversation, who are you talking to? Often times, redditors and social media tourists, that's who the average 4channer is now alongside incredibly mentally ill people who belong nowhere else or BBC discord server groomer trannies who have been confirmed to make up a large portion of several boards, notably /gif/.

Even if /v/ at large supported SKG, janny trannies would shut it down anyways, just like when the site was celebrating NeoGaf splitting in two or TCRF meltdown a while back.