Talmanes
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Don't get your panties in a bunch just because the plebian has higher standards for melee FPS combat.
System Shock Remake - aka "system shock appreciation thread"
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And I'm telling you that England's greatest prime minister was Lord Palmerston!
Talmanes
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Alright, I finally had time to load in, swing around a bit in a room at different timings with different swings. It mostly felt alright between the timing of heavy attacks and quick attacks, but I was still occasionally getting weird hiccups in the swing rhythm that would occasionally throw off what I was expecting. Slightly annoying but not as annoying and jank as it had felt when casually playing.
As soon as I then mindfully found something to bash and paid attention to the flow of it, I think I figured out why it feels as off and jank as it does.
Specifically it is the case of starting a fight with a fully charged swing ready, running up to an enemy, and then immediately trying to follow it up with a short quick swing. Which I'm going to guess is an incredibly common melee cadence that people default to wanting to do. In general I'm guessing most people default to either that, thwack once and fully go to dodge, or repeated heavy hits while not caring about retaliation.
The problem with the charged attack from the right followed by trying to short swing after is that the follow through of the first hit is way longer than it feels and for a lot of that time even a short click will immediately transition into getting into the stance for a two hand full power swing from the left. What feels like "I input a short click" is being played as what is expected for "I held down for a moment". It also seems that the following hit, from left to right, doesn't have this problem on quite the same level. This adds up to a lot of fights having an awkward second swing but then you switch into the quick attack rhythm for the third and following.
So the confusion and feeling of jankieness is, I think, entirely coming from the melee combat equivalent of a single quarter note in a short jingle you expect to know being replaced by a half note, or the second stair of a staircase being an either of an inch off. Everyone just keeps on tripping and they don't quite figure out why.
As soon as I then mindfully found something to bash and paid attention to the flow of it, I think I figured out why it feels as off and jank as it does.
Specifically it is the case of starting a fight with a fully charged swing ready, running up to an enemy, and then immediately trying to follow it up with a short quick swing. Which I'm going to guess is an incredibly common melee cadence that people default to wanting to do. In general I'm guessing most people default to either that, thwack once and fully go to dodge, or repeated heavy hits while not caring about retaliation.
The problem with the charged attack from the right followed by trying to short swing after is that the follow through of the first hit is way longer than it feels and for a lot of that time even a short click will immediately transition into getting into the stance for a two hand full power swing from the left. What feels like "I input a short click" is being played as what is expected for "I held down for a moment". It also seems that the following hit, from left to right, doesn't have this problem on quite the same level. This adds up to a lot of fights having an awkward second swing but then you switch into the quick attack rhythm for the third and following.
So the confusion and feeling of jankieness is, I think, entirely coming from the melee combat equivalent of a single quarter note in a short jingle you expect to know being replaced by a half note, or the second stair of a staircase being an either of an inch off. Everyone just keeps on tripping and they don't quite figure out why.
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Yeah, what I do is charge a swing, whack, back off, charge another swing, whack. That's how I play and had no issue aside from the shit I mentioned.
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Fuck you old man, i want all my guns to sound like that and more. Why dont you kill yourself instead? It'll be as easy as taking a fall off that walker.
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No! Fuck you Zoomer! Go on Tiktok and complain that you don't know how to use melee as you mom cucks your dad. Suck my giant hanging nuts.
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I can use melee with the best of them and its my dad who cucked my mom. Take your water gun ass pistol and tickle my dick with it.
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I aint got time for shrimp dicks, nigga. I will rape your mom and I'm going to rape your ass while playing Blood on Extra Crispy you zoomer fuck!
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Try me old man. I dont care what shitty old person games you think youre good at come my way. Ill beat you down laughing all the way while you guzzle Viagra for that 2 minute pump of dust you spew on your hand.
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This speck of dust could produce better offspring than your faggot dad and whore mother. Trying beating Redneck Rampage without watching your favorite Twitch streamer cocksucker show you how to beat it as you donate your last few dollars of welfare money just to feel like you have an actual friend in this cold and brutal world!
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Old man yells at cloud, young man yells at TikTok.
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I'm having a blast so far. I like that I have to keep checking the logs to remember what I need to be doing, and I found myself writing notes to myself for the first time in a long while.
I have found most of the guides for the old game still apply to this one, Cyberspace alterations aside. Pretty useful if one gets lost.
I have found most of the guides for the old game still apply to this one, Cyberspace alterations aside. Pretty useful if one gets lost.
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So, beat the game. Gotta say the ending fight was exactly as disappointing as that YouTube leak, and they also ruined the best part of SHODAN by getting rid of her looping-induced schizophrenia and replacing it with a magical self-awareness and desire to do evil the minute the hacker undid her ethical restraints.
Everything else was fucking awesome though.
Everything else was fucking awesome though.
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Is it any better than the '94 version? I've slept since running it, but it was still pretty underwhelming once you actually got to her; getting there seemed to be more of the boss fight than SHODAN herself. Though that might be me whinging about the Lawnmower Man vibe cyberspace had in that one.
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It was leaked on YouTube and I'm pretty sure the Farms discussed it. Instead of some epic cyberspace showdown as you fly around and blast at SHODAN as she spams bullets at you in line with the rest of the cyberspace sections its... traveling to platforms on foot and shooting this weird tentacle-thing with a lame-ass harpoon gun and then some spikey crystals fly around and circle around it, and then you jack out and she's back to being ethically constrained and 100% moral and good. You don't even get to kill her! Like, Cyberspace in the 2023 game is great because its basically a miniature Descent, and they fucking tossed all that for one of the most boring things ever.
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It was leaked on YouTube and I'm pretty sure the Farms discussed it. Instead of some epic cyberspace showdown as you fly around and blast at SHODAN as she spams bullets at you in line with the rest of the cyberspace sections its... traveling to platforms on foot and shooting this weird tentacle-thing with a lame-ass harpoon gun and then some spikey crystals fly around and circle around it, and then you jack out and she's back to being ethically constrained and 100% moral and good. You don't even get to kill her! Like, Cyberspace in the 2023 game is great because its basically a miniature Descent, and they fucking tossed all that for one of the most boring things ever.
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That's retarded and disappointing.
Look at you, whacker, suffering the e-thot to live, panting and sweating as you run through her halls like a greasy hotdog.
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The chess puzzle is such bullshit. I fucked it up once and now the field is completely reset forcing me to win an entire match. I haven't played chess in 15 years and I don't even remember the rules.