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Late stage capitalism is when kids with degrees in Gender Studies from Colombia have to work at Starbucks because there's no jobs in gendershit anymore, and between the shitty pay and the quarter million in student loans, they can't afford an apartment in trendy parts of the most expensive cities in the world. Oh, and this is society's fault, and the remedy is to tear down society and just give everyone free stuff forever by taxing billionaires at 120%.
They were just talking about this today on instapundit:
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I know it been out for a while, yes i've seen it but what do you people think about this video?
Warhammer lore is fucking boring. You can only make so many videos about marine guy killing chaos guy before it gets old and its only natural people are losing interest. There are hundreds of other table top game settings, why not make some videos about those?
 
I know it been out for a while, yes i've seen it but what do you people think about this video?
Looking at his channel I think he's got no idea wtf he's talking about.
12 years ago he was posting arma 3 videos. Got one near a million views, most got no traffic.
7 years ago he tries to reboot as a warframe channel, that seems to have failed.
5 years ago now he's a Destiny 2 channel, that failed, then he switched back to warframe, then fortnite and never really grew.
4 years ago he decided Godfall was the next big thing? Didn't go anywhere, then Bugsnax, and eventually CoD that got him some more traffic, 100k views a video even.
3 years ago tries to become some weird 40k/general hobby channel, can't get more than 2k views a video and most of the time its not even that.
2 years ago he's back to being a Warframe channel, also covering Destiny 2
1 year ago he's now a Trench Crusade channel that can get 100k even 200k views a video because the market wasn't saturated so he finally found a niche for himself I guess? Then does a shitty painting video where he didn't even bother to clean up the fucking mold lines and can't break 5k.


And finally to the past 6 months his trench crusade videos have fallen off because lo and behold there's now a glut of them on youtube and the man seems to have ADHD about what his channel is actually covering he might be able to retain and perhaps even grow an audience. Instead of completely changing wtf he's doing every 12-24 months.

Youtube isn't doing shit to 40k channels, there's too damned many and the audience is spread thin. Same shit is obvious with his trench crusade content, because that's an even smaller audience.
 
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Looking at his channel I think he's got no idea wtf he's talking about.
12 years ago he was posting arma 3 videos. Got one near a million views, most got no traffic.
7 years ago he tries to reboot as a warframe channel, that seems to have failed.
5 years ago now he's a Destiny 2 channel, that failed, then he switched back to warframe, then fortnite and never really grew.
4 years ago he decided Godfall was the next big thing? Didn't go anywhere, then Bugsnax, and eventually CoD that got him some more traffic, 100k views a video even.
3 years ago tries to become some weird 40k/general hobby channel, can't get more than 2k views a video and most of the time its not even that.
2 years ago he's back to being a Warframe channel, also covering Destiny 2
1 year ago he's now a Trench Crusade channel that can get 100k even 200k views a video because the market wasn't saturated so he finally found a niche for himself I guess? Then does a shitty painting video where he didn't even bother to clean up the fucking mold lines and can't break 5k.


And finally to the past 6 months his trench crusade videos have fallen off because lo and behold there's now a glut of them on youtube and the man seems to have ADHD about what his channel is actually covering he might be able to retain and perhaps even grow an audience. Instead of completely changing wtf he's doing every 12-24 months.

Youtube isn't doing shit to 40k channels, there's too damned many and the audience is spread thin. Same shit is obvious with his trench crusade content, because that's an even smaller audience.
Somewhere I heard that he defended 28mag's decision during the whole 28mag purge against those with Wrong think. I don't remember who video the comment was on but he said it on X or Bluesky.
 
Somewhere I heard that he defended 28mag's decision during the whole 28mag purge against those with Wrong think. I don't remember who video the comment was on but he said it on X or Bluesky.
Considering he seems to have jumped on the TC train in an attempt to make his channel somehow relevant, that's not surprising. Doesn't change the fact that he can't make up his mind and drives off whatever miniscule audience he's managed to build up periodically. If you want to make a gaming channel, unless you're autistically amazing at some specific game then keep it as a general gaming channel and hope you're entertaining. If you're trying to make a tabletop wargaming channel, be prepared to focus really hard on one thing and be good at it, or make it a general channel again and actually produce a variety of content on the topic.

Even just his TC shit. He's focused on lore for an IP that barely has any, and he's already had to make lore videos on fan factions for fucks sake. His painting is shit but if he at least does that he could presumably get better over time. Hell, maybe even promote playing the fucking game? Where's the batreps? Also claims he's using a "kinda zorn palette" for that Hey Arnold looking TC observer mini... where the fuck does the bright green for the lenses come from then? No one is going to watch a painting video with shit like this either
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But instead of doing actual work to make a channel that could be interesting. He half-asses it, and mostly produces slop and even that well is running low if he's making videos about someone's fucking OC donut steel faction.
 
Do painting tutorials other than slap chop do well? I know small wargaming channels get 2-3k bonus views for a warhammer video over their normal viewership. It's easy to court that audience.

Can someone explain to me how kill team rotation works? I might buy a kill team for competitive events but I've heard they're rotating them? If I buy a box from 2024 how many years will it last?
 
Do painting tutorials other than slap chop do well? I know small wargaming channels get 2-3k bonus views for a warhammer video over their normal viewership. It's easy to court that audience.
"Do well" I'd say depends on the video and the target audience(and I don't just mean warhammer players or something).

Vince Venturella has a great painting channel, seems to get 10-25k views a video. He also has a day job and isn't trying to make youtube his career. Roman Lappat is a professional mini painter, gets 10-20k views on average it seems, but again youtube isn't his day job. Marco Frisoni is another professional painter, gets 30k-60k views a video but also travels to teach classes. These guys actually know how to explain shit, discuss actual color theory, Vince does a bit more general miniature related stuff as well. These channels are great.

Miniac on the other hand with a bunch of shitty clickbait thumbnails and titles gets 50k-100k views a video and as far as I recall it is his day job. Miniac's buddy Ninjon with even more clickbait bullshit gets 50-100k+ views a video, also does youtube as his day job. These guys rarely paint shit, get the latest boxes from GW and paint 1 mini, don't play much of anything, don't paint armies, are good painters but nowhere near as good as Roman and Marco, aren't as good at explaining wtf they do, and recycle the same bullshit video ideas repeatedly as slop.

The better painting channels tend to not do amazing. The ok painters that produce slop can do well. Shitty painters producing slop does poorly. Then there's another category of good painters who happen to be streaming while painting, don't even leave VODs available, aren't teaching anything, I'm not sure why they even stream to be honest but here's an example of that.

Can someone explain to me how kill team rotation works? I might buy a kill team for competitive events but I've heard they're rotating them? If I buy a box from 2024 how many years will it last?
I don't even think GW has figured that out yet. Initially the older KT's before the latest version were supposed to be around for a year(minus the compendium teams) and then be "rotated out" of tournament play and sale, but still be available for casual play. Then I guess someone realized that some people paint really slow(I've seen people mention painting something like a kill team could take them 3 months, if that's how their free time is then that's how it is) so then GW seemed to want to sell for 1 year, leave them available for tournaments for 2 years, while having the refreshed KT for that faction get released during that 2nd year. It's entirely possible that GW changes their minds again, as I don't think we've even gotten to the first "these teams are out for tournaments" yet and GW can change their mind at any moment so... who knows.
 
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Vince Venturella has a great painting channel, seems to get 10-25k views a video. He also has a day job and isn't trying to make youtube his career. Roman Lappat is a professional mini painter, gets 10-20k views on average it seems, but again youtube isn't his day job. Marco Frisoni is another professional painter, gets 30k-60k views a video but also travels to teach classes. These guys actually know how to explain shit, discuss actual color theory, Vince does a bit more general miniature related stuff as well. These channels are great.
Vince has been going for 18 years now and only has 160k subscribers. That's a lot of investment for little return.
I don't even think GW has figured that out yet. Initially the older KT's before the latest version were supposed to be around for a year(minus the compendium teams) and then be "rotated out" of tournament play and sale, but still be available for casual play. Then I guess someone realized that some people paint really slow(I've seen people mention painting something like a kill team could take them 3 months, if that's how their free time is then that's how it is) so then GW seemed to want to sell for 1 year, leave them available for tournaments for 2 years, while having the refreshed KT for that faction get released during that 2nd year. It's entirely possible that GW changes their minds again, as I don't think we've even gotten to the first "these teams are out for tournaments" yet and GW can change their mind at any moment so... who knows.
GW really do like making life hard work don't they? Maybe I'll try spearhead, that's just starter box AOS isn't it? I was looking at ways to get a cheap traveling army. Where you can turn up to different clubs and get a game any where.
 
Vince has been going for 18 years now and only has 160k subscribers. That's a lot of investment for little return.
It is, but like I said he's still got his day job. It isn't a matter of painting tutorials doing well, it's slop content that does "well" and that's what slapchop bullshit tends to be. The fact that the guy has been at it for so long without clickbaiting shit, grifting, etc. says he's more in it for simply spreading the knowledge which is a good thing.

Ninjon and Miniac are damn near hypebeast type content chasing the algorithm with bullshit and do significantly better, but the content tends to be shit by comparison. Midwinter Minis would be another slop channel that does better than Vince. The audience for good painting channels just isn't very large, as most people don't want serious painting content.
 
The reddit-brained portion of the boardgamegeek community is having an absolute meltdown over a new version of Codenames using the Harry Potter IP.

They are Review bombing the game.

And also created a hugbox thread with many deleted messages and people getting banned for wrongthink.

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This creature posted a video under the "review" section explaining why CGE (the game publisher) made a "Disappointing Decision". I'm sure he has an impartial and informative take.

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I'm sure this will be as effective as all the "boycotts" over Hogwarts Legacy.
 
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Then there's another category of good painters who happen to be streaming while painting, don't even leave VODs available, aren't teaching anything, I'm not sure why they even stream to be honest but here's an example of that.
tl;dr they are like vTubers for people who haven't had coomerism infect their brains such thye need to jack off to 12-year old anime girls.

Its a "comfy" voice of someone doing a thing and talking for people so terminally lonely they don't have any friends but can't handle silence and don't want to play music. So you throw on an art streamer.

I would expect at least a good fraction get the ASMR tingles off it bob-ross style.

Vince has been going for 18 years now and only has 160k subscribers. That's a lot of investment for little return.
For someoen who doesn't chase the algorithm that's pretty normal.
 
tl;dr they are like vTubers for people who haven't had coomerism infect their brains such thye need to jack off to 12-year old anime girls.

Its a "comfy" voice of someone doing a thing and talking for people so terminally lonely they don't have any friends but can't handle silence and don't want to play music. So you throw on an art streamer.

I would expect at least a good fraction get the ASMR tingles off it bob-ross style.
Maybe. Could also be as simple as wanting to be a "social" painter except without the social part. I know a bunch of people who will go to the game store, break out the paints and yap with eachother and random people the whole time. I've tried it, was probably the most aggravating time I've ever had painting. And while they're not necessarily instructing, you can still see what they're doing and figure out the colors if you aren't an idiot.

I just meant in general regarding streaming. They have a miniscule audience, don't get ad revenue off of people watching vods, etc. But hey, if people like doing it just for the sake of doing it and aren't being retarded, it doesn't hurt anything.
 
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I just meant in general regarding streaming. They have a miniscule audience, don't get ad revenue off of people watching vods, etc. But hey, if people like doing it just for the sake of doing it and aren't being retarded, it doesn't hurt anything.
I just mean the audience. The steamer I'm not going to speculate other than "If you're painting anyway why not stream if you have the set up". I'd also suspect if they are "paid painters" its a decent advertising channel. People can see you working on figures and know that you aren't just having chinese political prisoners work an airbrush and overnight it back.

PL (I guess?) I know someone who does some of these art streams but not mini painting. They get MAYBE 10 people, max, and 3 of them are internet friends.
Their reasons for doing this is in rough order:
1) Accountabiity/Pressure to actually do art at something close to a schedule. Sort of like gym buddies, there's a difference between just "I should do some figure drills but I'm really not feeling it" when you have no accountability and when you have actually deliver your weak-ass excuse to someone. So they don't have a hard start/stop but "Around 11am Tuesdays and Thursdays I'll be on Twitch and doing art" and if you aren't you're going to have people asking where you are and why you aren't doing art.
2) Sort of going along with this, the incestuous nature of communities. Again their most constant audience is other people in an online artist space and they'll watch each other's streams at least for a bit.
3) They aren't ruling out a pivot to streaming more seriously, so this could be considered practice.
 
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