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What could also be useful is to drop 10 man sprues of generic soldiers from each faction with a handful of weapon options. People would love cheap traitor guard and the Heretic Legion would fit that aesthetic.
They're planning to do multipart troop boxes with the basic soldiers from each faction that will come with, quote, "around 3-5 unique bodies and a swathe of weapon and equipment options, as well as accessories and knick-knacks to help you add a personal touch to your models." So these probably won't be a cost-effective way to do Traitor Guard.
 
They're planning to do multipart troop boxes with the basic soldiers from each faction that will come with, quote, "around 3-5 unique bodies and a swathe of weapon and equipment options, as well as accessories and knick-knacks to help you add a personal touch to your models." So these probably won't be a cost-effective way to do Traitor Guard.
Also consider their current prussian box of 8 models for $50, with GW charging $53 for 10 cadians or krieg. That's already more expensive than GW. The pricing in pounds is even worse at 35 pounds for 8 models, and 32.50 for 10 from GW.

Have to remember that because this is a skirmish game that uses fewer models, they'll charge as much or more per model because most customers will ignore that when they see "you can have an entire army to play the game for under $100 unlike the starter boxes for those other big games". Almost a form of shrinkflation in a way.
 
"Trench Crusade continues to misunderstand their possible market niches, fucks up royally" is an evergreen headline like "Conflict in the Middleeast"
 
"Trench Crusade continues to misunderstand their possible market niches, fucks up royally" is an evergreen headline like "Conflict in the Middleeast"
With regard to the mini cost, not really in this case. Malifaux is the same way, you get 5-6 normal sized dudes and a bigger one for $55-65. Infinity is 7-10 dudes in a box for $70-130. At the end of the day they're still trying to be their own miniature game company. Unlike say, Mantic who before OPR(and trying to market their shit as OPR armies) was selling their models cheap basically as 40k proxies, and no one was buying the shit a decade ago or now.

Marvel Crisis Protocol could be another comparison point for minis per dollar, but the scale is larger so that kinda fucks things up. But it's still within the "hey, get an entire army to play this game with a fraction of the models that game requires".
 
Trench Crusade just confirmed they'll be moving their whole range to plastics via Archon Studios and dropping STLs and resin almost entirely, except for accessories, terrain and a few special models. Printerfags are complaining in the comments, but honestly it's the only decision that makes sense. This way they can get their product into stores and have a continuing source of income and they'll never have to worry about Only-Games fucking them over again.
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Kek, then again, I pirated the STLS and literally gave them out like candy to anyone who asked. Either way I cant wait for them to go after 3d creators for muh copyright infringement and inevitably repeat the same mistakes as gaymes workshop.
Speaking of, my models finally arrived. Most of them are in good shape, but there were several with uncured spots and scratches where someone got careless removing the supports, plus they sent me an incorrect model. It's not as bad as I'd feared, but it just confirms my opinion of OG as a bunch of incompetent fuckups who shouldn't have been trusted with something this big. I'm guessing the TC people are feeling the same way, based on the tenor of this post and their recent comments in the Kickstarter updates
Can we see some pics?
 
Troon Crusade had the capital (unless they wasted it) to double dip on designing for both Resin and Plastic or to atleast get other people for designing the plastic and to let both be available on their market. Unless they're actually retarded at managing money and they're looking to pull into actual revenue streams that arent reliant on the STL market, since their STLs got pirated to fuck and this is still a major issue of the medium
Its going to be fun seeing the post-mortems if there is something rank going on with their business, it would be fitting considering how much did their dicks get sucked by prog types
 
Unless they're actually retarded at managing money
This is the same company that rented a huge space at adepticon, and had nothing to sell or show to the public other than some merch like patches and shit(I believe they also did this same thing later at gencon), then held a presentation at adepticon where they proclaimed they fucked up their marketing and were confused why people disliked their shit(it was the community management and other problems), and then did an interview on camera bragging about how they didn't need to hire any business oriented people for project management and keep it all as being run by creative artists.

And then that's combined with partnering with a producer of 3d prints known by the community at large(not just industry insiders) to be dogshit, repeatedly leaving unhappy customers. An insane fulfillment schedule for their customers who spent the most amount of money getting their shit last years after everyone else.

And then still after a year, has fuck all to show for it except where people can point out they've spent a ton of money, while now having to re-engineer the models to be done with injection molding(duplicating work so more cost) while partnering with a company for that, known for it's shit shipping and handling rates to anyone outside of Europe and still not a word about distribution.

All the while continuing to piss off their existing customer base and even changing the terms of their community license, because as it turns out a company needs to actually make money to exist and not just act like some kind of entertainment charity.

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Does any of this sound like they've been good with money?
I don’t think I hate anyone in the 5E community more than Indestructoboy. He might be a bigger faggot Linkara. He makes Linkara look like John Cena. He’s supports movie bob levels of pro-leftwing terrorism at that. Indestructoboy could support his own thread like sabersparks.
I'm 5 minutes into this video and he's talking about too much crunch in 5e, getting a group of players from an after school club to make some characters. Maybe don't give them the entire fucking product line of options then?
"What do you want to do? What type of weapons do you want to use? How would your character go about doing things? Are they good at speaking, or more of a silent tough guy?" and then actually work with them providing a limited amount of options that fit their answers, and you can have a party of complete novices creating some characters that they'll feel like they've had input on making in a matter of 20 minutes. He's a fucking idiot.

Skipped ahead to about 12:30 and he's complaining about people whining about it being euro-centric and the culture war bullshit, and how there are setting guides... except WotC hasn't published a proper fucking setting guide for anything in a decade at this point. Skimming through more if it, he's not necessarily wrong about everything but he's also a retard for taking this long to notice some of this shit.
 
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This is the same company that rented a huge space at adepticon, and had nothing to sell or show to the public other than some merch like patches and shit(I believe they also did this same thing later at gencon), then held a presentation at adepticon where they proclaimed they fucked up their marketing and were confused why people disliked their shit(it was the community management and other problems), and then did an interview on camera bragging about how they didn't need to hire any business oriented people for project management and keep it all as being run by creative artists.

And then that's combined with partnering with a producer of 3d prints known by the community at large(not just industry insiders) to be dogshit, repeatedly leaving unhappy customers. An insane fulfillment schedule for their customers who spent the most amount of money getting their shit last years after everyone else.

And then still after a year, has fuck all to show for it except where people can point out they've spent a ton of money, while now having to re-engineer the models to be done with injection molding(duplicating work so more cost) while partnering with a company for that, known for it's shit shipping and handling rates to anyone outside of Europe and still not a word about distribution.

All the while continuing to piss off their existing customer base and even changing the terms of their community license, because as it turns out a company needs to actually make money to exist and not just act like some kind of entertainment charity.
Its like that article someone posted a while back said:
they are trying to run their hobby like a business business like a hobby.
 
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Trench Crusade just confirmed they'll be moving their whole range to plastics via Archon Studios and dropping STLs and resin almost entirely, except for accessories, terrain and a few special models. Printerfags are complaining in the comments, but honestly it's the only decision that makes sense. This way they can get their product into stores and have a continuing source of income and they'll never have to worry about Only-Games fucking them over again.

Speaking of, my models finally arrived. Most of them are in good shape, but there were several with uncured spots and scratches where someone got careless removing the supports, plus they sent me an incorrect model. It's not as bad as I'd feared, but it just confirms my opinion of OG as a bunch of incompetent fuckups who shouldn't have been trusted with something this big. I'm guessing the TC people are feeling the same way, based on the tenor of this post and their recent comments in the Kickstarter updates
This is by far the most mentally retarded decision they could make. People will 3d print anyway, AND will now pirate the STLs instead of paying them. They can easily keep STLs around with physical releases.
Also consider their current prussian box of 8 models for $50, with GW charging $53 for 10 cadians or krieg. That's already more expensive than GW. The pricing in pounds is even worse at 35 pounds for 8 models, and 32.50 for 10 from GW.

Have to remember that because this is a skirmish game that uses fewer models, they'll charge as much or more per model because most customers will ignore that when they see "you can have an entire army to play the game for under $100 unlike the starter boxes for those other big games". Almost a form of shrinkflation in a way.
Don't forget its 8 MONOPOSE models. All they had to do is just copy the ye oldie imperial boxes while including all the relevant weapon options. What even is the point physical release if kitbashing is more difficult than editing an STL?
 
If you mean the guy who made "high noon" it was the other way - "they are trying to run their business like a hobby."
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This is a great post. I reread it about every 3 months.
Trying to run a hobby like a business would be the same as pretending their hobby is a business, and for Trench Crusade it's very evident that it has taken them a year to realize they actually need to get someone involved that understands how a business needs to be run, rather than just doing merch and other dumb shit while spending wads of money on marketing and having no product.
Don't forget its 8 MONOPOSE models. All they had to do is just copy the ye oldie imperial boxes while including all the relevant weapon options. What even is the point physical release if kitbashing is more difficult than editing an STL?
Because a physical release means product you can actually sell in game stores, as well as having those stores support the product through community events. Having a war game doesn't do you any good if no one can find anyone to play the thing with. As far as kitbashing and monopose, other companies including GW/Asmodee/Corvus Belli/etc. release monopose stuff constantly, and with as much complaining about it as there is no one cares. Sure, you can't just pull a different arm off a sprue and slap it on a torso of another, but you can still cut bits off of one finished mini or set of sub-assemblies, and then stick it on another and fill in the gaps with putty. Even with multipart ball jointed kits that were easy to swap arms on, most of those kitbashes didn't amount to shit just using those joints anyway as you'd still have to re-pose elbows and wrists fairly regularly.
 
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Yeah that one.

Look, sucking dick for cock, or cock for dick, whatever. I'm saying Trooch Crusade is gay.
lol No argument here.

Trying to run a hobby like a business would be the same as pretending their hobby is a business, and for Trench Crusade it's very evident that it has taken them a year to realize they actually need to get someone involved that understands how a business needs to be run, rather than just doing merch and other dumb shit while spending wads of money on marketing and having no product.
Well.... not exactly. (Although I think you have a typo as you repeated yourself in the simile.) As a buddy of mine who really wants to turn something he does into a business has talked my ear off about the efforts - it is not exactly a transposable comparison.

Just one example I've heard him talk about - a hobby is something you do "when you have time for it." A business "you make time for it now." Or to use an example from the blog:
"When you’re a businessperson, you verify before you speak.
When you’re a hobbyist, you speak before you verify — and then double down because you're "passionate.""

So no, running a hobby like a business would look very different from pretending their business is a hobby. If they were actually trying to run their hobby like a business, they would be doing a whole of stuff differently - like getting a project manager. They're not. They're running their business like a hobby where they think passion can substitute for logistics.
 
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Well.... not exactly. (Although I think you have a typo as you repeated yourself in the simile.) As a buddy of mine who really wants to turn something he does into a business has talked my ear off about the efforts - it is not exactly a transposable comparison.
No? "They run their hobby like a business" is the same as pretending their hobby club is a business. It's a hobby, for them a bunch of art projects, that they're pretending is a business. That's fine for a $100k kickstarter that's just a pile of STLs and their equivalent of a fantasy heartbreaker OSR they've been working on with their friend group for years. That's not fine for the over 6 million dollars in preorder funding(since they kept accepting money after the 3 million from the finished kickstarter)

They need to run their business like a business. It's not a hobby anymore at that point.

Just one example I've heard him talk about - a hobby is something you do "when you have time for it." A business "you make time for it now." Or to use an example from the blog:
"When you’re a businessperson, you verify before you speak.
When you’re a hobbyist, you speak before you verify — and then double down because you're "passionate."|

So no, running a hobby like a business would look very different from pretending their business is a hobby. If they were actually trying to run their hobby like a business, they would be doing a whole of stuff differently - like getting a project manager. They're not. They're running their business like a hobby where they think passion can substitute for logistics.

Exactly, because it's not a hobby anymore unless you're in it for the short term, it's a business and needs to be run like one.

In this case yes they've got employees, global manufacturing and logistics(even without the plastics there's still printed books and having a crappy supplier print their models), attending trade shows, needing a marketing budget, actually competing with other established businesses(not really GW, but Asmodee, Corvus Belli, and others), having to do proper community outreach and support(rather than being worse than GW at it). Only a complete fucking retard(which some of the guys running this show were) would be on camera saying insane crap like not needing to hire business people is the way forward when you need project managers, a finance guy, marketing people, and so on unless you want to just watch what you've built up on a fluke collapse on itself or just walk away from the entire thing after it's been fulfilled like many kickstarter creators do(but they don't seem to be interested in that).
 
Exactly, because it's not a hobby anymore unless you're in it for the short term, it's a business and needs to be run like one.
OK so you're using a definition of "hobby" that excludes business while I'm using it as a term for leisure activities and mind states which may or may not be made into businesses. (i.e. Hobby Lobby or Hobby Town)
 
OK so you're using a definition of "hobby" that excludes business while I'm using it as a term for leisure activities and mind states which may or may not be made into businesses. (i.e. Hobby Lobby or Hobby Town)
I guess? If you're running a business it needs to be run like one. There's nothing about it being a hobby unless you give zero shits about failure so sure millionaires and billionaires could run side businesses as a hobby but they usually didn't get to that point by doing so(or they already had money some way or another and it was a fluke, but that still usually requires treating it seriously).

I'll give another example. Goobertown Hobbies and that ebay mini rescues guy that have their goblin hobbies stamping kits. They could treat it like a hobby, not give a shit, etc. But they appear to have treated it like an actual business, done marketing, gotten product feedback, work with a vendor producing them(because it's really just nail stamping kits) and it may mostly just be 2 guys that packaged up a product but they didn't halfass it after the initial wave of sales and have done another that's mostly sold out(I can't blame them for not having a continuous supply, it's a super niche product afterall and as getting made and shipped in batches). It lets them do their hobby activities, but it's not necessarily a hobby itself.
 
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